Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[PradoTLC]

Pride backed with real and tangible achievements...

I only see false pride.

Depends upon what is in their heads... Hindu s greatest cultural achievement is Kama sutra ... and they immortalize it by making a clay dick...

 

[Shantanu_Left]

. they really dont like hindus they being "nice" to you is due to the fact indians light up when they know a anti Pakistan ally is found. The need India to help settle their feud with Pakistan steeming from Duriand line.

You're so right, LOL. For me, that would be an immediate cause of suspicion.

If a shady Afghan tries to pull that Indian bakra confidence trick which just sounds so familiar the way you described it, I'll need to check if my wallet is still in place. And the phone.

Mostly they don't talk Pakistan with me. Maybe they can sense I'm not a Sanghi type of Indian. So, the ice breaker is always Amitabh Bachchan, Kishore Kumar. How can you not converse with someone who suddenly brings up your favorite Kishore Kumar song? Almost everyone in India loves his songs.

But then you realize it's one of those scumbags.

 

[Mentee]

Growing up in Faisalabad, many of my good friends were Afghans, Christians, Shias, and others

i usually come across sorts of b.s but this is the most ridiculous story ive ever heard .however bro i do admire your pan islamic approach

 

[pakpride00090]

You're so right, LOL. For me, that would be an immediate cause of suspicion.

If a shady Afghan tries to pull that Indian bakra confidence trick which just sounds so familiar the way you described it, I'll need to check if my wallet is still in place. And the phone.

Mostly they don't talk Pakistan with me. Maybe they can sense I'm not a Sanghi type of Indian. So, the ice breaker is always Amitabh Bachchan, Kishore Kumar. How can you not converse with someone who suddenly brings up your favorite Kishore Kumar song? Almost everyone in India loves his songs.

But then you realize it's one of those scumbags.

You are among those few indians who know about Afghan psyche... Most Indians don't

 

[H. Dawary]

Assalam alaikum brother, hope everything is going well for you.

Please do not mind the more anti-Afghan sentiment here.

Any other source for above statement?

As someone who has followed and read much about Quaid e Azam, I have never read this.


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Walikum Salam brother, it was in three separate books, I forgot which one. I believe it was “The origins of the conflict in Afghanistan”... Qaid e Azam made a promise, but I forgot the exact wording... I was trying to find the book, but can’t locate it. I will order another book and write about it as I can find the PDF version.

Afghanistan is being remade anew. Have some patience.

You will see a much more pro-Pakistan government coming. Our relations will reach the sky.

@H. Dawary Where there is heart and faith, there is Allah swt to unite us.

No worries bro, I am still very pro Pakistan and have been since day 1. I still believe KPK should be recognized by Afghanistan, for various reasons. I only wanted throw light upon this matter so that they know the actual history of what transpired, and then decide whether they still want to hate or not. In fact President Daoud was heading towards the Pakistani side in 1976/77 and wished to settle this dispute with Ali Bhutto, and both were ready to have a conciliatory process but that was interrupted in 1978 by the Soviets, which is why this conflict is still here till today.

He is a Bharti troll embarrassed of his flags.


In reality world things doesn't work the way Afghanistan is /was thinking. Referendum was granted, Abdul ghaffar Khan was a ghulam of Bharti and he could participate and vote for bhart, but he knew the reality. You can't cry foul if you boycott the opportunity. Secondly most people in NWFP didn't participated either out of fear of backlash from such lawless elites or because they were already mentally Pakistanis. Those who participated were also in majority who favored Pakistan. Hence the chapter closed.

BTW can you post the source about Jinnah announcing joint governance.



There is no such thing as verbally promising. Either there is a statement by officials which is well documented or there are agreements. Kindly post the quoted statement or pic of an agreement.



Nonsense, Punjabis make up slightly above 44% not 60% of population.
@ziaulislam

It’s in the book the origin of the conflict in Afghanistan. I don’t think I have the book with me anymore, so I have to get another one... I will post the information as soon as I get it as I can’t find a PDF version of it. It was a promise of some sorts but I can’t recall of the top off my head.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

His family migrated to Punjab from KPK

Kindly elaborate for the sake of our knowledge when did PMIK,s family migerate from KPK.

 

[nahtanbob]

Not a bad idea we should give that pathan state inside india and call it new pathan state right next to dehli

most pathans live in eastern afghanistan and western pakistan

I know, my family was affected by terrorism too. I lost family members to it. I myself nearly missed a bomb blast in Islamabad because I took a different road than usual.

I still remember when Afghan kidnappers would go door to door in Lahore to ask to use restroom for their kids and women, then count all men in the house and return at night to kidnap, murder, and rob Pakistanis.

I also know that many people in KPK have terrible experiences with Afghan mafias, they looted Peshawar, Dir, Swat, Mansehra, and other areas with impunity.

However we cannot paint all Afghans this way. Many are simply victims of the US invasion and the internal infighting in Afghanistan. Many women and children work in homes in Pakistan as servants to feed their families. I feel very strongly for such people. It is humiliating.

I am a Punjabi Rajput from Faislabad, somehow maybe I get along too well with Pukhtoon Pakistanis and Afghans, I don't know. I am also a religious student, in addition to my medical vocation.

I know racism in Pukhtoons is there. I heard any darker skin Pukhtoon called as Kala by other Pukhtoons, and also a light skin Pukhtoon called as Gul Khan. So it goes both ways.

Punjabis can be equally racism, some of the ways we interact with our poorer depressed and dark skinned classes/ peasants is not fair.

There are still some Punjabis stuck in zat politics, while it is 2020 and their children are freely marrying anyone they want. Lol.

We pray for hidaya to all people. We Muslims need to change the way we are thinking, if we choose to be successful. What works for the early Muslims, the same will work for us.



Where are you originally from brother? Karachi?

isn't that the reason for the bengalis in east pakistan to be sour ?

 

[American Pakistani]

If it makes you happy then I'll admit ALL Afghans are bad people inherently and ALL Pakistanis are good inherently.

There are good and bad in every single country.

 

[Cliftonite]

What is wrong with unified Pathan state ? look at European history - German & Italian nation states were formed over centuries

I realize Punjabi Muslim elite ruling Pakistan might not like the idea. For the record I am not advocating one.

What is wrong with a unified Bengal state? Look at European history-German and Italian nation states were formed over centuries.

I realize Hindu Brahmin elite ruling India might not like the idea. For the record I am not advocating one.

 

[nahtanbob]

What is wrong with a unified Bengal state? Look at European history-German and Italian nation states were formed over centuries.

I realize Hindu Brahmin elites might not like the idea. For the record I am not advocating one.

It is upto Bengalis of all religious persuasions to decide.
Having decide to split in 1947 has anything changed ?

 

[Ladyuk]

I feel like I am going in circles. As I said previously bigotry of any kind is not confined to a particular ethnic group and views and opinions change all the time. As I admitted previously, there is definitely some biggoted views amongst Afghans about other ethnic groups and even within Afghan sub groups. Wouldn't you agree thay similar attitudes exist in Punjabi community. I too have personal experience with Mirpuri families in the UK refusing to let 2 adults marry each other based on the fact they were from different Biradaries. Now, how's that different to what you are saying about Afghans. Imagine this happens in the UK, God know whay happens in Pakistan.

There is no Aryan master race BS. That's just Nazi propaganda. Yes, Pashtuns are Iranic or Aryan people simply because our language is classified as an Iranic language. If that makes some people feel supperior to others. That's their problem.

Yes Afghans did rule over subcontinent but Indics also ruled over Afghans (Maurya, Gupta empires etc). That's all history so what.
Moat Afghans want to undo whay they feel the Britiah did to their homeland by dividing it in half. We have no desire of ruling anyone else. We wanted to be united ina single state for the sake of preservation of our cultural identity and language. Even if that's not possible, we want to be able to freely interact across the border and develop and preserve our identity. We don't want to be divided by labels of Pakistani and Afghan. I don't think that's racist or superior but natural human right.
Some people want to paint everything as racist in order to subdue even legitimate demands. They use religion as their favourite tool to do this.

You can't compare the widespread hate most afghans have against pakistan and in particular punjabis to some people in pakistan not wanting their kids to marry a different clan. Seriously your country men have assassinated our first prime minister and murdered over 70.000 civillians including a entire school of children countless soldiers and police officers and still counting in cold blood.
That's the sort of hate they have in their hearts for us no pakistan has assasinated the first prime minister of Afghanistan or refused to recognise it as a nation we never took refuge in the millions for decade's in Afghanistan and killed 70.000plus of your people.
As I have repeatedly said we hindikowan speaking punjabis are the natives of this land have lived here for thousands of years. Afghans are not native and therefore have no legitimate claim to our land. So this crying about being hard done by the British holds no water.
As far as preserving your culture you have every right and that's why I asked several times to the other Afghan poster why don't afghans who want to live amongst themselves simply move to Afghanistan where they are already the majority instead of claiming a small province where you have no historical legitimate claim to . I got no answer, the truth of the matter is which I have stated numerous times now whether you like to admit it or not you believe in your race being superior to kalya punjabis therefore you think you should be ruling over us.
Even in this very thread there are afghan/pathans going on about how punjabis are not 60%, how we make up only half of punjabis population and how we even aren't a ethnicity. This just further proves my point you lot have deeply ingrained and widespread racist views on non afghans especially us punjabis you wish that you were the majority in pakistan.
I suggest you lot move to Afghanistan were you already are the majority and leave my people and pakistan in peace. And if you are genuinely committed to living as a peaceful neighbour I suggest you confront these racist views that underpin the pashtunistan and ptm movement.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

As I have repeatedly said we hindikowan speaking punjabis are the natives of this land have lived here for thousands of years. ......whether you like to admit it or not you believe in your race being superior to kalya punjabis therefore you think you should be ruling over us.
Even in this very thread there are afghan/pathans going on about how punjabis are not 60%, how we make up only half of punjabis population and how we even aren't a ethnicity.

Very telling. If true then these are genocidal views which have no place in the modern world.

 

[kris]

Bloody hell, you mean that 1951 conditions are responsible for today's differences between you.....

That's cold war era. Get over with it..
They hate you for your support to Taliban, period

 

[Ladyuk]

Very telling. If true then these are genocidal views which have no place in the modern world.

Just go on YouTube and see the numerous videos where afghans, many who have lived as refugees in pakistan for years spew racist venom against pakistan especially us punjabis. You can find translated videos of the ptm movements members giving speeches calling punjabis kalya. Yet they and their supporters claim it's a pashtun rights movement.
As I said to both Afghan posters on here unless they admit and confront this widespread racist views that underpin the pashtunistan and ptm movement we will keep on having issues. Because it's not really about pashtun rights and pashtunistan it's about racial supremacy.

 

[Cliftonite]

You can't compare the widespread hate most afghans have against pakistan and in particular punjabis to some people in pakistan not wanting their kids to marry a different clan. Seriously your country men have assassinated our first prime minister and murdered over 70.000 civillians including a entire school of children countless soldiers and police officers and still counting in cold blood.
That's the sort of hate they have in their hearts for us no pakistan has assasinated the first prime minister of Afghanistan or refused to recognise it as a nation we never took refuge in the millions for decade's in Afghanistan and killed 70.000plus of your people.
As I have repeatedly said we hindikowan speaking punjabis are the natives of this land have lived here for thousands of years. Afghans are not native and therefore have no legitimate claim to our land. So this crying about being hard done by the British holds no water.
As far as preserving your culture you have every right and that's why I asked several times to the other Afghan poster why don't afghans who want to live amongst themselves simply move to Afghanistan where they are already the majority instead of claiming a small province where you have no historical legitimate claim to . I got no answer, the truth of the matter is which I have stated numerous times now whether you like to admit it or not you believe in your race being superior to kalya punjabis therefore you think you should be ruling over us.
Even in this very thread there are afghan/pathans going on about how punjabis are not 60%, how we make up only half of punjabis population and how we even aren't a ethnicity. This just further proves my point you lot have deeply ingrained and widespread racist views on non afghans especially us punjabis you wish that you were the majority in pakistan.
I suggest you lot move to Afghanistan were you already are the majority and leave my people and pakistan in peace. And if you are genuinely committed to living as a peaceful neighbour I suggest you confront these racist views that underpin the pashtunistan and ptm movement.

Thank you for saying this. A lot of our Islamic oriented members turn a blind eye to this topic and say Afghans are our natural brothers. *eye roll*. I have seen Bangladeshis and Indians less hateful towards Pakistan than Afghans. Never seen one truly pro Pakistan Afghani. Their hate is almost a deep visceral hate. Even though we've been nothing but kind to him. And their presence here rots the minds of our tribals too. I had a classmate in university from FATA, his tribe exists on both sides of the borders. After PTM, he HATES the Pakistani army and state with a passion. He just can't say it loudly yet.