Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Shantanu_Left]

Look, I know Afghanistan has been mismanaged by warlords and what not, but there are plenty of honourable folk from Afghanistan who conduct themselves with etiquette and decency. It is very dangerous to generalise, however negative certain experiences.

I agree with your point here. Stereotyping is never good but the good Afghans really need to go out of their way to prove that they are a decent bunch like the rest.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I agree with your point here. Stereotyping is never good but the good Afghans really need to go out of their way to prove that they are a decent bunch like the rest.

I am afraid after 4 decades of constant warfare whatever is left of their intelligentsia or the good folks have fled or died off which is why they were always be foreign interference in Afghanistan in some form or fashion

 

[Shantanu_Left]

I am afraid after 4 decades of constant warfare whatever is left of their intelligentsia or the good folks have fled or died off which is why they were always be foreign interference in Afghanistan in some form or fashion

In other words, a population that is 99.8% pure scum. Hope I'm wrong there, I would really love to be proven wrong on this one.

 

[Cliftonite]

Look dude, as a "librandu/sickular" person, I totally empathize with you. But I'm not sure whether your views have any currency in Pakistan. You can correct me if I'm wrong here. I read a bit about the Aurat March. I kinda liked that choice of phrase, gives a US Civil Rights movement vibe. I was surprised that quite a lot of reasonable sounding Pakistani TV celebs were trashing that movement. I'm telling you, we can no longer do something like that in urbane India. Although the feminist movement is not that extreme as in Western countries, almost no-one of any influence can get away saying the kind of demeaning comments I heard on those Pakistani news shows.

Yes as a society we aren't doing that great for Indian Muslims, but women certainly have it better in India than in Pakistan. Before someone reminds me about the rape incidents, yes that's a big problem in India. Making no excuses for that, it makes me hang my head in shame.

I don't care what's your religion. Women should be treated equally to men in the 21st century. Pakistan probably has a long way to go in that regard. Last thing you need is any more regressive Taliban influence.

Even RSS is anti-women. Any woman they don't like gets abused online in the crudest manner. But most of them can only bark online. India still has a lot of "librandu" influence although the RSS hates it. No Narendra Modi can damage the fabric.

As I said, I'm just exploring the scene in Pakistan. Would care to learn more.

Look dude, as a "librandu/sickular" person, I totally empathize with you. But I'm not sure whether your views have any currency in Pakistan. You can correct me if I'm wrong here. I read a bit about the Aurat March. I kinda liked that choice of phrase, gives a US Civil Rights movement vibe. I was surprised that quite a lot of reasonable sounding Pakistani TV celebs were trashing that movement. I'm telling you, we can no longer do something like that in urbane India. Although the feminist movement is not that extreme as in Western countries, almost no-one of any influence can get away saying the kind of demeaning comments I heard on those Pakistani news shows.

Yes as a society we aren't doing that great for Indian Muslims, but women certainly have it better in India than in Pakistan. Before someone reminds me about the rape incidents, yes that's a big problem in India. Making no excuses for that, it makes me hang my head in shame.

I don't care what's your religion. Women should be treated equally to men in the 21st century. Pakistan probably has a long way to go in that regard. Last thing you need is any more regressive Taliban influence.

Even RSS is anti-women. Any woman they don't like gets abused online in the crudest manner. But most of them can only bark online. India still has a lot of "librandu" influence although the RSS hates it. No Narendra Modi can damage the fabric.

As I said, I'm just exploring the scene in Pakistan. Would care to learn more.

I agree with you. India is much more liberal than Pakistan. Am I an anti national traitor for saying that or just calling a spade a spade? No but in all honesty, individually you'll find many Pakistanis with liberal views. The collective liberal voice doesn't exist because it's been clamped down. Part of a national narrative. And voices like the Taliban fanboy are the ones speaking at the forefront (such an embarrassment) that they drown out any liberal voices.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And voices like the Taliban fanboy are the ones speaking at the forefront (such an embarrassment) that they drown out any liberal voices.

Eid Mubarak to you too brother. Keep insults up.

I pray Allah swt forgive our sins.

PM of Pakistan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1005905995426598912

https://twitter.com/x/status/1067156084023005184

 

[Yankee-stani]

Eid Mubarak to you too brother. Keep insults up.

I pray Allah swt forgive our sins.

PM of Pakistan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1005905995426598912

https://twitter.com/x/status/1067156084023005184

Eid Mubarak to you and everyone but i doubt IK actually truly believes the Taliban is a beacon of justice but merely saying that for geo politics

I agree with you. India is much more liberal than Pakistan. Am I an anti national traitor for saying that or just calling a spade a spade? No but in all honesty, individually you'll find many Pakistanis with liberal views. The collective liberal voice doesn't exist because it's been clamped down. Part of a national narrative. And voices like the Taliban fanboy are the ones speaking at the forefront (such an embarrassment) that they drown out any liberal voices.

I disagree by definition of liberalism in India it seems the liberalism many Pakistanis see synonymous with India was mainly in its large city centers and big soft power push by Bollywood but that is rapidly changing as Modi is more focused on the cow belt mentality folks of the country side

 

[nahtanbob]

Fundamentally, it comes down to basic manners for some people. Is this refugee perchance dripping with gratitude to USA for giving him refuge from his wartorn nation? The odd thing is, Pakistan has granted refuge for countless more afghans than USA could ever dream of doing, yet here we are, dignifying such lack of gratitude with a response.

He does not appreciate the machinations of ISI arming the Taliban

 

[masterchief_mirza]

He does not appreciate the machinations of ISI arming the Taliban

Replace the first "I" with "U" and the second "I" with "A" and watch him say "but but USA Afghan Bhai Bhai is ok".

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Replace the first "I" with "U" and the second "I" with "A" and watch him say "but but USA Afghan Bhai Bhai is ok".

Only Pakistan is not allowed... to be friends with anyone.

Good catch.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Replace the first "I" with "U" and the second "I" with "A" and watch him say "but but USA Afghan Bhai Bhai is ok".

Replace the first "I" with "U" and the second "I" with "A" and watch him say "but but USA Afghan Bhai Bhai is ok".

Ask him how many other nations and their intelligence services are in Afghanistan first

 

[PradoTLC]

I don't care about anything. The only and last thing I care about is when Afghans lay claim over my land. We can have million similarities, as long as Afghans continue to dispute the internationally recognized border we have a big problem. As long as Afghans continue to claim large chunks of Pak territory we have a massive problem.

Everything else is just talk. The entire Afghan hatred for Pakistan stems from land dispute.

India is much more liberal than Pakistan

i agree..

indians are more naked, drunk and more homo than us..

He does not appreciate the machinations of ISI arming the Taliban

what proof do you have we armed the taliban?.... David Paterus could not find any?.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

i agree..

indians are more naked, drunk and more homo than us..

That should not be the yardstick to measure us poor liberals. Yes we do care about the following:

No government interference in our lives
Less/no authority figures, less policing
Freedom of speech; should have the freedom to make fun of everyone including the armed forces
Everyone can practice their own religion/non-religion as per their choice
Education and healthcare free for all

Even if we get this much, we will be satisfied. I am really surprised why 99.8% people are not liberals!

 

[PradoTLC]

That should not be the yardstick to measure us poor liberals. Yes we do care about the following:

No government interference in our lives
Less/no authority figures, less policing
Freedom of speech; should have the freedom to make fun of everyone including the armed forces
Everyone can practice their own religion/non-religion as per their choice
Education and healthcare free for all

Even if we get this much, we will be satisfied. I am really surprised why 99.8% people are not liberals!

Islamic values

> Social welfare states
> governance based on fear of God, Competence and honesty.
> Tolerance of other faiths - (even the jews ran to muslim lands from murdering christians)
> No back biting, lying, disrespectful tone
> The strong obligated to help the poor
and so on...


i am suprised why most humanity isnt muslim

 

[Cliftonite]

Eid Mubarak to you too brother. Keep insults up.

I pray Allah swt forgive our sins.

PM of Pakistan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1005905995426598912

https://twitter.com/x/status/1067156084023005184

Khair mubarak. Didn't mean to offend on Eid and no hard feelings. But extremist thinking will be called out.

Islamic values

> Social welfare states
> governance based on fear of God, Competence and honesty.
> Tolerance of other faiths - (even the jews ran to muslim lands from murdering christians)
> No back biting, lying, disrespectful tone
> The strong obligated to help the poor
and so on...


i am suprised why most humanity isnt muslim

That in itself is supremacist thinking which leads to extremism. Not criticising the Islamic values but your wanting to impose it on everybody. Muslims keep touting the fact that Jews found solace in Muslim lnds but ask Mizrahi jews how they were treated in those lands.

i agree..

indians are more naked, drunk and more homo than us..

Again nothing wrong with being a homo or a naked slut if a person is doing that in his individual rights. You cannot impose your moral standards on others,that is a defining feature of liberalism.

 

[PradoTLC]

That in itself is supremacist thinking which leads to extremism.

in your head sure.

It like saying enforcing good practices like wearing seat beat is supremacist thinking. Then again i get it ....given where you live such concepts appear to be "facist" thinking..

Not criticising the Islamic values but your wanting to impose it on everybody.

Impose?... i believe your imagination is running a riot. Where did i ever say we need to impose it?.. Islam cannot be imposed. You as a muslim should know that ..

right?..

You do know what Surah Kahf says.

Muslims keep touting the fact that Jews found solace in Muslim lnds but ask Mizrahi jews how they were treated in those lands.

That was a time Islamic practiced and concepts correctly applied.

How are you comparing muslim run in Spain some other event?...

Again nothing wrong with being a homo or a naked slut if a person is doing that in his individual rights

for a infidel who doesnt understand negative implication on society... sure he doesnt find it wrong.