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Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

Fundamentally, it comes down to basic manners for some people. Is this refugee perchance dripping with gratitude to USA for giving him refuge from his wartorn nation? The odd thing is, Pakistan has granted refuge for countless more afghans than USA could ever dream of doing, yet here we are, dignifying such lack of gratitude with a response.


What is that word we use for Afghans? Namak haram. Jis thaali mein khaya us hi mein chhaid. They are an irredeemable people. Don't touch them with a ten inch pole. My words sound racist but based on experience.
 
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Fundamentally, it comes down to basic manners for some people. Is this refugee perchance dripping with gratitude to USA for giving him refuge from his wartorn nation? The odd thing is, Pakistan has granted refuge for countless more afghans than USA could ever dream of doing, yet here we are, dignifying such lack of gratitude with a response.

Just a few days ago, an Afghan refugee youth in Germany stabbed someone from a family that took him in. This dude had access to healthcare and social services, free Internet, educational opportunities, exercise and sports opportunities...and this is how he chooses to reward someone who helped him escape his war-torn country.

What values that youth could have been raised with back home in Afghanistan?

This is a kind of story that is becoming all too familiar.
 
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the widespread mullahism that is going on.
Exaggeration perhaps? I go back routinely and see the opposite - a pathetic lurch towards pseudo-secularist neo-feminism. Pakistan is full of burger munching attention seekers these days, well, at least in the cities. I can't speak for the smaller towns and villages.
 
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Exaggeration perhaps? I go back routinely and see the opposite - a pathetic lurch towards pseudo-secularist neo-feminism. Pakistan is full of burger munching attention seekers these days, well, at least in the cities. I can't speak for the smaller towns and villages.

I watch a lot of Pakistani content online so you might have a point. I have heard that phrase being used many times.
 
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Exaggeration perhaps? I go back routinely and see the opposite - a pathetic lurch towards pseudo-secularist neo-feminism. Pakistan is full of burger munching attention seekers these days, well, at least in the cities. I can't speak for the smaller towns and villages.


Pray tell what is your idea if psuedo secularism neo feminism?

I watch a lot of Pakistani content online so you might have a point. I have heard that phrase being used many times.

No my friend. This psuedosecular label is a canard Pakistanis use to shut off any debate or talk of reform. This word is much like the word commie during Mccarthyist America. A libel. Anybody and everybody can be a 'pseudo secular' as long as he doesn't agree with your conservative regressive views. Much like your sickular or librandu labels in India
 
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Exaggeration perhaps? I go back routinely and see the opposite - a pathetic lurch towards pseudo-secularist neo-feminism. Pakistan is full of burger munching attention seekers these days, well, at least in the cities. I can't speak for the smaller towns and villages.

To a extent you are right, in the main urban areas burgerism is going in full swing but the majority of people in pakistan live in the countryside and my mother's was comparing that when she was growing up in the countryside , yes people were conservative and religious but religion was more of a private matter.

Nowadays religion gets dragged into every conversation by people who aren't as practising as previous generations. Also you have seen how mullahs and their deluded followers stoned a peaceful woman's march. These same mad mullahs are always protesting against imaginary offences of blasphemy that they insist are occurring.
 
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What is that word we use for Afghans? Namak haram. Jis thaali mein khaya us hi mein chhaid. They are an irredeemable people. Don't touch them with a ten inch pole. My words sound racist but based on experience.

Just a few days ago, an Afghan refugee youth in Germany stabbed someone from a family that took him in. This dude had access to healthcare and social services, free Internet, educational opportunities, exercise and sports opportunities...and this is how he chooses to reward someone who helped him escape his war-torn country.

What values that youth could have been raised with back home in Afghanistan?

This is a kind of story that is becoming all too familiar.

Well these episodes are a real shame. I recall the disgusting episode during the Afg-Pak cricket match in UK last year where a minority of Afg fans pelted Pakistani fans and their kids with missiles and torn up seats.

Look, I know Afghanistan has been mismanaged by warlords and what not, but there are plenty of honourable folk from Afghanistan who conduct themselves with etiquette and decency. It is very dangerous to generalise, however negative certain experiences have been. There is an existential crisis in the political hallways of Kabul, where those with irreversible vested interests against Pakistanis form one of the rival groups. It is foolish to overinterpret the behaviour of some Afghans without taking this circumstance into account. Propaganda can be undone. Even the brainwashed barbers based in USA can relearn the basic decency that they may have forgotten in their haste to jump on the Pakistan-bashing bandwagon. I think Pakistan must take every possible step to undo the propaganda that exists in Afghanistan against Pakistanis. To neglect this particular front would actually be very foolish and would be a failure. Any "war on terror" is ultimately won in the hearts and minds of civilians, no matter how many terrorists are killed by ISI or PA.

It isn't an issue we can ignore either, as India will take full advantage and already has done in many ways. We took our eye off the Iranian regime and look where that left us.
 
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Feminism is not even CLOSE to being a widespread ideology in Pakistan. Our regressive folks are threatened by a bunch of women marching on Women's Day and took offense at some of the placards they hold. This is in urban posh Clifton/Defence in Karachi. You can judge the condition of the rest of the country.


Don't go throwing around made up words like neo feminism. Pakistan has not even reached second wave feminism- the bra burning wave of the 70s. It's mostly first wave and that too in the urban cities. Stop your feminazi fearmongering.
 
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psuedo secularism neo feminism?
Maybe it's the wrong term. I simply mean a blind subservience to imported customs and moral standards without critical assessment of their applicability within the particular circumstances that prevail within a defined region. You can't "cut n paste" morality just like you can't "cut n paste" covid response protocols. Pakistan should do what's right for Pakistan.
 
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Maybe it's the wrong term. I simply mean a blind subservience to imported customs and moral standards without critical assessment of their applicability within the particular circumstances that prevail within a defined region. You can't "cut n paste" morality just like you can't "cut n paste" covid response protocols. Pakistan should do what's right for Pakistan.


That is just teenagers following pop culture trends. Why the hysteria over it? I feel this issue that we are losing our native culture is blown way out of proportion. It has always existed. My dad listened to Beatles and wore bellbottoms in 70s Karachi. He evolved into a typical Pakistani dad. Likewise today's kids are also experimenting and will fall back to their roots with age. We are not turning into an LGBT matriarchal hippie haven as conservatives will have you believe.
 
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That is just teenagers following pop culture trends. Why the hysteria over it? I feel this issue that we are losing our native culture is blown way out of proportion. It has always existed. My dad listened to Beatles and wore bellbottoms in 70s Karachi. He evolved into a typical Pakistani dad. Likewise today's kids are also experimenting and will fall back to their roots with age. We are not turning into an LGBT matriarchal hippie haven as conservatives will have you believe.
Be that as it may, when such movements gain traction (call them something else if you don't like the neo- pseudo- quasi- labels), my concern is not over whether we ourselves retain "satanic" ideologies into our old age - I'm not bothered in the slightest - my concern is rather with the way this soft power stick is leveraged against Pakistan to effect real economic or political harm. If Pakistan doesn't get its narrative right in the face of these social movements, we will be faced with the now classic colour revolution - government crackdown - sanction imposition - overthrow of democracy due to "economic mismanagement" - installation of pro-western regime power play.

It's not for me to choose Pakistan's social directions but to disregard external forces who are using such things to manipulate Pakistan is sheer folly. Far stronger nations than ours are fighting against this precise phenomenon.
 
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Be that as it may, when such movements gain traction (call them something else if you don't like the neo- pseudo- quasi- labels), my concern is not over whether we ourselves retain "satanic" ideologies into our old age - I'm not bothered in the slightest - my concern is rather with the way this soft power stick is leveraged against Pakistan to effect real economic or political harm. If Pakistan doesn't get its narrative right in the face of these social movements, we will be faced with the now classic colour revolution - government crackdown - sanction imposition - overthrow of democracy due to "economic mismanagement" - installation of pro-western regime power play.

It's not for me to choose Pakistan's social directions but to disregard external forces who are using such things to manipulate Pakistan is sheer folly. Far stronger nations than ours are fighting against this precise phenomenon.


Yes I agree. These LUMs type kids play into western/communist agendas. That punk Arooj Aurangzeb comes to mind. But stopping them will not come by clamping down on speech. We need to generate our own narrative. That every Pakistani willingly follows that narrative.
 
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. As you said I am definitely here to understand the way of Pakistanis, but unfortunately, it can no longer include you. You are a religious fundamentalist that supports the Taliban, Loya Jirgas, and God knows what else. I cannot be patient with your views anymore than I can the RSS/Hindutva groups. All religious extremists are the same as far as I am concerned. The Taliban is just the spitting mirror image of the RSS, as a famous Bollywood scriptwriter Javed Akhtar once said.

What are you talking about? Taliban have absolutely no relation to RSS. You have been thoroughly brainwashed, you can ask our Afghan members to educate you on that.

Swinging around labels is dangerous and also dishonest.

I don't really care what Indians think of affairs inside Afghanistan and Pakistan. You can never have a full view of ground realities.

I am a religious Muslim, a student of fiqh, and accomplished in my worldly life as well. I don't see any contradiction in that.

I also don't appreciate being told what to believe and what not to believe by an outsider.

Alhamdulilah, be happy that you are on the other side of the border, if you have a problem with religious Muslims.

If Pakistan and Afghanistan at some future date decide to merge together and create a larger state, that also is no business of India.

Not even a single Pakistani I met so far in real life was a religious fundamentalist. In fact, the ones I run into are usually much less religious compared to even Indian Muslims. But I need to put it on record, I have absolutely no problem with anyone who is religious, and strongly committed to his faith.

Obviously you do have a problem with religious Muslims. How come Muslims do not have the right to air their views about politics or world affairs, but any Non-Muslim can pass sweeping judgements on us with impunity?

That doesn't change the fact that religious fundamentalism is a mental disease. It doesn't matter whether you're a Christian fundie Bible basher in the USA, an RSS Nazi in India, or a Taliban supporter in Afghanistan, you're all one and the same as far as I am concerned.

Who are you to make this claim?

So if someone follows the fundamentals of Islam, you claim they have an illness? I am a doctor, I have never heard of this illness.

Many more words have been thrown around like Islamist, Political Islam, Fundamentalist, etc. Words which change depending on the usage and the target. Weaponized words to used to stifle Muslims from having a voice.

Well these episodes are a real shame. I recall the disgusting episode during the Afg-Pak cricket match in UK last year where a minority of Afg fans pelted Pakistani fans and their kids with missiles and torn up seats.

Look, I know Afghanistan has been mismanaged by warlords and what not, but there are plenty of honourable folk from Afghanistan who conduct themselves with etiquette and decency. It is very dangerous to generalise, however negative certain experiences have been. There is an existential crisis in the political hallways of Kabul, where those with irreversible vested interests against Pakistanis form one of the rival groups. It is foolish to overinterpret the behaviour of some Afghans without taking this circumstance into account. Propaganda can be undone. Even the brainwashed barbers based in USA can relearn the basic decency that they may have forgotten in their haste to jump on the Pakistan-bashing bandwagon. I think Pakistan must take every possible step to undo the propaganda that exists in Afghanistan against Pakistanis. To neglect this particular front would actually be very foolish and would be a failure. Any "war on terror" is ultimately won in the hearts and minds of civilians, no matter how many terrorists are killed by ISI or PA.

It isn't an issue we can ignore either, as India will take full advantage and already has done in many ways. We took our eye off the Iranian regime and look where that left us.

Afghanistan is going through a period of change. They are maturing as a nation and re-orienting themselves towards Pakistan. You are going to hear many more wonderful things from Afghans in the future.

Those who wish to remain in their own bigoted closet can do so, the future moves forward regardless.

I keep observing this trend, brother, tell me what you think.

Secularism and racism go pretty much hand in hand. In Pakistan, more religious Pakistanis tend to be less racist and more open towards other provinces.

All our racist and exploitative groups in Pakistan have been secular, thibk about it, MQM, PPP, N, ANP, etc.

For Pakistan, religion is a unifier and a common point for all Pakistanis. Without Islam, the fabric of the nation unravels.

In this way we can see the insidious nature of mera jism mera marzi, PTM, liberal media, commie university organizations, saas baho drama,, and tiktok. We are losing our youth to these predators.
 
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No my friend. This psuedosecular label is a canard Pakistanis use to shut off any debate or talk of reform. This word is much like the word commie during Mccarthyist America. A libel. Anybody and everybody can be a 'pseudo secular' as long as he doesn't agree with your conservative regressive views. Much like your sickular or librandu labels

Look dude, as a "librandu/sickular" person, I totally empathize with you. But I'm not sure whether your views have any currency in Pakistan. You can correct me if I'm wrong here. I read a bit about the Aurat March. I kinda liked that choice of phrase, gives a US Civil Rights movement vibe. I was surprised that quite a lot of reasonable sounding Pakistani TV celebs were trashing that movement. I'm telling you, we can no longer do something like that in urbane India. Although the feminist movement is not that extreme as in Western countries, almost no-one of any influence can get away saying the kind of demeaning comments I heard on those Pakistani news shows.

Yes as a society we aren't doing that great for Indian Muslims, but women certainly have it better in India than in Pakistan. Before someone reminds me about the rape incidents, yes that's a big problem in India. Making no excuses for that, it makes me hang my head in shame.

I don't care what's your religion. Women should be treated equally to men in the 21st century. Pakistan probably has a long way to go in that regard. Last thing you need is any more regressive Taliban influence.

Even RSS is anti-women. Any woman they don't like gets abused online in the crudest manner. But most of them can only bark online. India still has a lot of "librandu" influence although the RSS hates it. No Narendra Modi can damage the fabric.

As I said, I'm just exploring the scene in Pakistan. Would care to learn more.
 
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