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Afghanistan's enemy is Pakistan's enemy, says army chief

Pakistan was used as a tool itself. We are not talking about the Russian and Afghan war in which Pakistan was used as a tool by USA, for us it was our war and weren't any body's tool. Stop giving sanctuary and support to terrorists like Haqanis and Taliban etc.
Both Pakistan and Afghanistan were used as a tool but in the end Afghanistan was Destroyed while Pakistan Survived so even if Pakistan was used as a tool that played their cards perfectly while Afghans Drowned itself. You are right we should stop giving Sanctuary to Haqqani at the same time Afghans should Stop Giving Sanctuary to Indians Intelligence to create Problems in Pakistan. If you people dont behave then dont expect us anything. Now even USA had Removed Taliban from list of Terror Outfit and are rather calling them INSURGENTS.

Our blame and the entire world's blame has been Pakkistan's state sponsor terrorism. Ask Musharaf he will tell you all about it.
I think you are still unsure of Afghan History back in 1990s if you dont remember then let me tell you Usama Bin Laden was living in Sudan and it was your most Favorite Northern Alliance leaders who Invited Usama to come to Afghanistan so back in 1994 so your people brought all the destruction upon themselves not by Pakistan.
 
Merely?

Pakistan could have taken the easy option and do what Iran did and sell out to the Soviets.

Iranian mullahs were saying "let them in, this is Gods will".

Pakistanis instead stood with Afghans and helped. Then took in million of refugees. Pakistan has the largest amount of refugees in the world.

Instead of appreciating these efforts you ridicule? And you wonder why Pakistanis act in the way they do.

Do some soul searching man.

Pakistan did not have that option, you were next.

I think Afghans should for every be grateful to the people of Pakistan for the shelter they got there and the use of Pakistan as a base.

Afghans never had problem with Pakistan, the problem was and is your strategic depth BS and state sponsor terrorism.
 
We never were. Supporting and sympathy towards the same Pashtuns who not long ago had come into government in KPK (ANP) does not equal to aggression. We could have easily attacked Pakistan during your wars with India but we didn't.
ANP came to Govt. and then Kicked out by KPK People themselves and ask them they are Happy with this Decision. You Afghans are Delusional because back in India Pakistan War your forces would get their A$$es Kicked by Tribal FATA people just the way they did in 1950s Border Skirmishes when Afghan Army tried to enter those region. This was the reason behind Afghanistan staying away from Pakistan during India Pakistan War.
 
Both Pakistan and Afghanistan were used as a tool but in the end Afghanistan was Destroyed while Pakistan Survived so even if Pakistan was used as a tool that played their cards perfectly while Afghans Drowned itself. You are right we should stop giving Sanctuary to Haqqani at the same time Afghans should Stop Giving Sanctuary to Indians Intelligence to create Problems in Pakistan. If you people dont behave then dont expect us anything. Now even USA had Removed Taliban from list of Terror Outfit and are rather calling them INSURGENTS.

I think you are still unsure of Afghan History back in 1990s if you dont remember then let me tell you Usama Bin Laden was living in Sudan and it was your most Favorite Northern Alliance leaders who Invited Usama to come to Afghanistan so back in 1994 so your people brought all the destruction upon themselves not by Pakistan.

Indian intelligence this and is a lie. Where is your proof? Afghan intelligence is capable enough to fight you back, we don't need Indians we are best in our own turf.

Bin was found in Abot Abad. Yes we drowned ourselves after the soviet was kicked out and our 7 mujahideen parties were manipulated by Pakistan, the civil war and then the rise of Taliban. You have done everything you could after to hurt Afghanistan.
 
Pakistan did not have that option, you were next.

I think Afghans should for every be grateful to the people of Pakistan for the shelter they got there and the use of Pakistan as a base.

Afghans never had problem with Pakistan, the problem was and is your strategic depth BS and state sponsor terrorism.
Look how Afghan show their Gratefulness by supporting Baluch Separatists and TTP elements in Pakistan and also Allowed India to run their Pakistan Encirclement Schemes.

If this is what Pakistan get in return then its better to keep Strategic Dept Alive by hook or by Crook. Either way Pakistan is in Better Position now in Afghanistan and soon Chinese would replace the role of Indians inside Afghanistan so things would go to Pakistan's Favor now.
 
ANP came to Govt. and then Kicked out by KPK People themselves and ask them they are Happy with this Decision. You Afghans are Delusional because back in India Pakistan War your forces would get their A$$es Kicked by Tribal FATA people just the way they did in 1950s Border Skirmishes when Afghan Army tried to enter those region. This was the reason behind Afghanistan staying away from Pakistan during India Pakistan War.

You don't know shit. Tribal areas not in Pakistan but even in Afghanistan were free and outside any state control. What had happened in Momand area was an isolated incident and more had to do with local dynamics than a skirmish on behest of Pakistan in which the Afghan army and a tribe was involved. You are getting your *** whopped in tribal areas as we speak to preserve their autonomy. If we had joined the Indians then we could have knocked you out there and then.
 
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Indian intelligence this and is a lie. Where is your proof? Afghan intelligence is capable enough to fight you back, we don't need Indians we are best in our own turf.
Nationalistic Jingoism. If you think Indian Intelligence is lie then where is the PROOF of Pakistan Involvement with Taliban?

Bin was found in Abot Abad. Yes we drowned ourselves after the soviet was kicked out and our 7 mujahideen parties were manipulated by Pakistan, the civil war and then the rise of Taliban. You have done everything you could after to hurt Afghanistan.
Here we go another Accusation of Manipulating 7 Mujahideen Parties. It was Afghans Warlords or Mujahideens who were fighting like dogs to control Afghanistan by force and may be Hikmatyar could be exception no other Force of Mujahideen was under Pakistan Influence and Taliban was the best Outcome they had beck in 1990s Civil war because Taliban was able to Unite most of Afghanistan.
 
Look how Afghan show their Gratefulness by supporting Baluch Separatists and TTP elements in Pakistan and also Allowed India to run their Pakistan Encirclement Schemes.

If this is what Pakistan get in return then its better to keep Strategic Dept Alive by hook or by Crook. Either way Pakistan is in Better Position now in Afghanistan and soon Chinese would replace the role of Indians inside Afghanistan so things would go to Pakistan's Favor now.

You allegations are lies and baseless. No proof just propaganda and lies.

The rest is wishful thinking. Strategic Depth = Night mare for Pakistan.
 
You don't know shit. Tribal areas not in Pakistan but even in Afghanistan were free and outside any state control. What had happened in Momand area was an isolated incident and more had to do with local dynamics than the skirmish on behest of Pakistan in which the Afghan army and a tribe was involved. You are getting your *** whopped in tribal areas as we speak to preserve their autonomy. If we had joined the Indians then we could have knocked you out there and then.
That was Afghan Forces Tried to Infiltrate on Pashtunistan Wet dreams and got Kicked beck to Afghanistan by Tribes themselves consider what would happened if Pakistan Army comes to Backup Afghans would have lost many Villeges at Durrand Line. Their was another Factor which was Iran as Iran was Ruled by Shah and he was Pro Pakistan leader so we could have got all the help we need to Counter Your Threat if Afghans even Tried to Collaborate with India during Indo-Pak War.
 
Nationalistic Jingoism. If you think Indian Intelligence is lie then where is the PROOF of Pakistan Involvement with Taliban?

Here we go another Accusation of Manipulating 7 Mujahideen Parties. It was Afghans Warlords or Mujahideens who were fighting like dogs to control Afghanistan by force and may be Hikmatyar could be exception no other Force of Mujahideen was under Pakistan Influence and Taliban was the best Outcome they had beck in 1990s Civil war because Taliban was able to Unite most of Afghanistan.

You guys are the best in nationalistic jigonism. Musharaf is the proof.

Anyway, why would guys not give up on Taliban, what good have they brought you? You should have known from day one that it was a futile strategy. You have lost so much for those rascals.
 
You allegations are lies and baseless. No proof just propaganda and lies.

The rest is wishful thinking. Strategic Depth = Night mare for Pakistan.
So as yours about Afghan Taliban Support.

Strategic Depth is in full Action these days just look at our Military Establishment themselves Visiting Afghanistan rather then Political ones.
 
Well, we could have always been brother countries. Sadly, as LoveIcon mentions, it was Afghanistan which decided to pursue an aggressive stance.

I wholly agree. I will tell you what is the heart of the issue.

Let me start with the fact that when Pakistan was formed Iran was the first country to accept it... while Afghanistan refused to do so. Till today.

Why? That is the big question. At that time Pakistan hadn't shown sympathy to the Haqqanis, Nazir or Hekmatyar's nor was Waziristan their asylum. They didn't even exist and those areas were much more liberal. The art of building guns came during the 1980's. Then why? Because Afghanistan does not accept the Durand line.

The Afghans are living in history. Lets remember that the Durrani empire unified KP and Balochistan in one nation even though Ahmed Shah Abdali was a Pashtun born in multan and because 70% of all Pashtuns are in Pakistan or lar pashtuns belonged to the south. Lets note that there are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan. 30-50 million here while 12 million in Afghanistan so the larger part of Pashtun dynasties history, like the Suris, Lodis, Durranis, Ghaznavids and Ghorids mostly belongs to them more than Afghan nationals.

Personally from what I believe 1983 was the partition of Afghanistan and no one agreed to it but Abdur Rehman Khan an Afghan King. From that point on the Pashtuns left there and Pashtuns in British india or Pakistan as we call it were both directed to completely different spheres of influence. Pashtuns of British India worked with their Punjabi Sindhi Baloch brothers to form a Pakistan. But in the meantime the bar Pashtuns became frustrated and angry. This translated into hatred not only for the entire idea of Pakistan but the pashtuns of Pakistan as well. When Pashtuns of Pakhtunkhwa went there (to Afghanistan) for support to fight against the British they were mistreated by the northern pashtuns of Afghanistan.

Afghanistan never accepted the durand line and still doesn't. You will notice that Najibullah and even Zahir Shah were very hostile to Pakistan. There were skirmishes in Bajaur so Afghanistan at least once tried to push the issue through military means.

So the issue itself is far more than the sanctuary the "good Taliban" have found in Pakistan. It is Afghanistan's non recognition of the border between the two countries. Our mistake in FATA has been our failure to integrate the tribes into the social fabric. Lets note that the area is off limit to tourists and collective responsibilities act applies there which blames entire tribes for the actions of miscreants. The result is FATA will remain a backward region of Pakistan with little progress and hostile foreign agencies will use this region. Also I don't see the logic of disarming the (shia) Turis and Bangash (as @Irfan Baloch pointed out) while leaving the Maseeds who make up 60%+ of the TTP. Not to blame a tribe but it is a weakness and accepting some negative points can sometimes help. I know there are many ghayur Maseeds out there too, one whom I met on twitter. But anyway... so thats the problem.

On the other hand there is a hostile Afghanistan that does not accept the Durand line, the de facto border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Pashtuns will be better versed in history and may make us understand what is best for the region. Thats partly why I support IK. His mother is burki from Kaniguram. @farhan_9909 and others may help
 
We never were. Supporting and sympathy towards the same Pashtuns who not long ago had come into government in KPK (ANP) does not equal to aggression. We could have easily attacked Pakistan during your wars with India but we didn't.

And what about Afghan flirting with the Baloch rebels?
Yes, you could have easily attacked us while we were at war with India. The question was if you could win. Remember, right next to Afghanistan was a pro-Pakistani Reza Shah Pahlavi.
 
Your army encouraged Mullah Omar to not hand over Bin Laden who was then found Abod Abad. Do you somehow think that your own policy nurturing terrorists makes you responsible for the 141 school kids who were slaughtered? Pathetic.

It was the opposite .. Pak and even Saudis asked Mullah Omar to hand over bin Ladin ... Prince Faisal Al turki was than the chief of saudi intelligence.

As for the school massacre .. guess where TTP chief is hidding ? Kunar.
 
You guys are the best in nationalistic jigonism. Musharaf is the proof.

Anyway, why would guys not give up on Taliban, what good have they brought you? You should have known from day one that it was a futile strategy. You have lost so much for those rascals.
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What TTP did in Pakistan had nothing to do with Afghan Taliban because TTP was a loss group of Militant outfits that had nothing in common with Afghan Taliban other then Name.
 

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