Afghan policeman shoots dead five British soldiers

[qsaark]

World record opium cultivation was achieved in 1999 under taliban rule per UNODC data. I doubt most here would care to admit such although it's long been available.

Today, it's been the nether reaches of heretofore undisturbed southern HELMAND where most of the opium production has occurred.

Who's been there in central and southern Helmand undisturbed since 2001 last year? The taliban, of course. Has cultivation begun to drop in Helmand since the British began receiving help from additional troops?

Yes. Two years in a role.

The taliban use opium to fuel their slaughter. That they have corrupt assistance doesn't change their deep, deep involvement in peddling poison themselves.

So much for fighting oppressors while poisoning minds and bodies of muslims in Pakistan and Iran among countless other souls of all ilks, shapes, colors, and religions globally, eh?

thats horsepoo about the opium.

You are absolutely right. It is the shamelessness and twisting of facts at its best. Please have a look at the following figure and ask them to explain the opium production in NATO/ISAF occupied Afghanistan between 2002-2009. "Record opium cultivation under Taliban in 1999" my foot.

 

[r3alist]

dont worry, s-2 is an internet warrior, army general and neo-con american intellectual with, par for the course.

 

[deathfromabove]

Despite all that Taliban bashing by S-2, US is trying now to clinch a deal with the so called "good Taliban". Soviet Union was brave enough to admit the defeat, US on the other hand is still feeling high and mighty or NOT.

After all Afghanistan is called the "graveyard of empires"

US seeks Pak, Saudi support in dialogues with Afghan Taliban

Sunday, 1 Nov, 2009 5:11 pm

ISLAMABAD : The United States has decided to initiate dialogue with Afghan Taliban, and requested Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for their support in dialogue process, Aaj news reported.

Diplomatic sources told the channel that the US has decided to dialogue with Taliban in Afghanistan.

Main commander and Naib Amir Mullah Akhund from Taliban side is taking part in dialogue process with the US.

Source said Mullah Akhund has made it clear to US for not creating rift among the Taliban on the basis of money.

He also asked the US to take its forces out of Afghanistan as soon as possible so that government as per with the wishes of Afghan people could be formed.

Duality has always been US policy, for instance, take the case of Wernher von Braun, a Nazi scientist that made V2 ballistic missile that annihilated England during WWII. After the war was over, he was acquitted of all war crimes and inducted by US. He is the pioneer of US space program.

Similarly, after the WWII, US tracked down remaining Nazis and instead of punishing them for their beastly war crimes, CIA hired them to spy on USSR.

List goes on and on. I rest my case.

WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - The U.S. government apparently derived no clear benefit by recruiting ex-Nazis as Cold War spies, but potentially huge gaps remain in the public record of U.S. ties to World War Two war criminals, according to a report issued on Friday.

The report to Congress, by an interagency group that examined the United States' use of German and Japanese war criminals during and after the war, also said the CIA had no set policy for hiring former war criminals to spy on postwar foes including the Soviet Union.

The group, created by the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act of 1998 and Japanese Imperial Government Disclosure Act of 2000, has released more than 8.5 million pages of previously classified government documents dating back to 1933.

Richard Ben-Veniste, another group member, said in the report that some of the latest documents, which were declassified in late 2006, show that the CIA had no clear policy about hiring former Nazis.

He cited a November 1960 CIA document quoting an agency official as saying: "We have no strong feelings against the use of a convicted Nazi today, provided he has something tangible to offer and is kept under close control. The question remains -- what has he to offer?"

 

[Ahmad]

He also asked the US to take its forces out of Afghanistan as soon as possible so that government as per with the wishes of Afghan people could be formed.

All this mullah means is to form a gov to the wish of paksitan, because they are the servents of pakistan and created by pakistan. if they believed in people's wish they wouldnt have killed the peopole.

 

[deathfromabove]

All this mullah means is to form a gov to the wish of paksitan, because they are the servents of pakistan and created by pakistan. if they believed in people's wish they wouldnt have killed the people.

US seeks Pak, Saudi support in dialogues with Afghan Taliban

Dude, you are not getting the point. We are not asking its the US.

 

[S-2]

Dialogue and reconciliation has ALWAYS been open to those whom wish to embrace the Afghan national constitution and put down their weapons.

This is nothing new.

Further, Omar has made plain that he'll NEVER accept an electoral process in Afghanistan. There is NO taliban intention to engage in participatory politics except by the point of a gun.

That's what typically is the case when you pull polling numbers lower than even foreign irhabists.

Thanks.

 

[Ahmad]

US seeks Pak, Saudi support in dialogues with Afghan Taliban

Dude, you are not getting the point. We are not asking its the US.

dude, and i was refering to the mullah who was asking a gov according to the wishes of afghans, it is very strange that they are puppets themselvess and want to have a gov free from foregin influence. and the last, whoever is asking for a dialogue and peace are wellcomed by the people of afghanistan, even the americans and the taliban.

 

[deathfromabove]

Dialogue and reconciliation has ALWAYS been open to those whom wish to embrace the Afghan national constitution and put down their weapons.

This is nothing new.

Further, Omar has made plain that he'll NEVER accept an electoral process in Afghanistan. There is NO taliban intention to engage in participatory politics except by the point of a gun.

That's what typically is the case when you pull polling numbers lower than even foreign irhabists.

Thanks.

Took you eight years to realize that dialogue is an option as well. Of course.

 

[brahmastra]

 

[brahmastra]

duplicate post. sorry.

 

[gambit]

You are absolutely right. It is the shamelessness and twisting of facts at its best. Please have a look at the following figure and ask them to explain the opium production in NATO/ISAF occupied Afghanistan between 2002-2009. "Record opium cultivation under Taliban in 1999" my foot.

It is neither about US nor NATO presence but about Taliban CONTROL.

Opium production in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If you had bothered to actually read the UNODC report instead of looking at colorful charts, you would have found this example from 2007...The wiki source has references and the 2007 report contains this in the foreword section...

In south-west Afghanistan, despite relative higher levels of income, opium cultivation has exploded to unprecedented levels. This year around 70% of the country's poppies were grown in five provinces along the border with Pakistan. An astonishing 50% of the whole Afghan opium crop comes from one single province: Hilmand. With just 2.5 million inhabitants, this relatively rich southern province has become the world's biggest source of illicit drugs, surpassing the output of entire countries like Columbia (coca), Morocco (cannabis), and Myanmar (opium) - which have population up to twenty times larger.

Look at the 'Second' and 'Third' items and see for yourself that the Taliban controls Hilmand.

Here is another source that implicate the Taliban with opium...
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Taliban Forcing Framers to Harvest Opium- Helmand Governor

05/03/2009

By Mohammed Al Shafey

In an exclusive interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, he emphasized that the Taliban are forcing the farmers to plant drugs and are levying taxes on them in the areas under their control.

He added that the Taliban exploit Islam; religion does not change with time or place; the Taliban elements are rejecting the fatwas issued by Afghan religious scholars that prohibit the planting of drugs. He pointed out that many farmers have responded to these fatwas but the Taliban are resorting to violence against farmers that plant alternative products such as wheat and vegetables.

Look at the date of the article.

 

[gambit]

Same is also true for the American soldiers. The poor souls are lured into on the promises of a college education and what not IF they came back. Many only come back in coffins, and many more psychologically crippled.

As far as Taliban killing more innocent civilians is concerned, this is the height of the twisting of the facts by the occupation forces and their sympathizers at best. How much the occupation forces are successful in winning the hearts and the minds of the Afghan is more than obvious. After the eight long years of ‘friendly’ occupation, there are no signs of reduction of hostilities towards the occupation forces; in fact, the resistance is on the rise. If the occupation forces are working so selflessly and helping the Afghans as being claimed here, and if the Afghan civilians are being killed by the alleged Taliban, why the Afghans are not supporting the occupation forces? Why they don’t help the occupation forces to eradicate the Taliban? Instead they are helping the Taliban to target the occupation forces. If these simple facts can not be seen, than we can only empathize on the mental state of some of those who are constantly denying and deliberately spreading the disinformation here.

Are you serious with that question? What make you think the ordinary Afghans are not doing it? Just because CNN or Al-Jism does not report any mean no one is cooperating with US and NATO? News for you, buddy, a lot of Iraqi women have been cooperating with US for as long as we have been in Iraq, particularly with US female soldiers. They report to US on potential insurgent hideouts and even individuals.

As for Afghanistan, do you really think that we would even report: "Today, Mr. Abdullah Muhammad Ali led US forces to an al-Qaeda cave where we found several laptops with US cities highlighted. In reward the US Army built Mr. Ali and his family a new house with a jetted hot tub. His wife was really happy when we promised to take her shopping everyday at noon to the local market."

 

[qsaark]

If the US spy satellites can 'locate' and 'identify' insurgents on the ground, and direct the soldiers or drones to eradicate them, why they can not see the huge poppy fields? And if they can see the huge poppy fields, why the USAF does not send the B-57s/B-2s do destroy the fields by the carpet bombing? All the carpet bombing is for killing the innocent civilians? Especially if all the poppy is being cultivated in Helmand, which is a Taliban stronghold (even after 8 years of continuous occupation), what is stopping the good NATO/ISAF to eradicate those fields? Taliban or the insurgents may resist on the ground, but can they also target the B-57, B-2 or drones and protect their poppy fields?

Why don't you simply accept the fact that the NATO/ISAF as well as the corrupt Karzai regime is fully supporting and benefiting from the drug business? Karzai's brother is known for his involvement in drug business so are many other thugs in US-backed Karzai regime; why they are not being arrested and tried for their crimes?

You invaders can only twist and turn your tongue between your cheeks, but you simply can not argue while supporting your claims and rants with the hard facts.

 

[qsaark]

What make you think the ordinary Afghans are not doing it?

If they are doing this, than shame on them. Those who cooperate with the foreign forces and fight against their country and their people, and sell out themselves for money or whatever incentive are called ‘Traitors’.

Iraq was attacked in the name of WMDs, which everyone knew at the time of attack, was nothing but a false accusation. In fact had Iraq had WMDs, the invaders dared not to attack, simple as that. The UN inspectors had found out nothing and there were simply no proofs of the presence of Al-Qaeda or the links of the Saddam with any such outfit. Yet, Iraq was invaded and millions of Iraqis got displaced, tens of thousands got killed. From every standpoint, resisting the invaders was legitimate and desirable. I respect each Iraqi who lost his/her life during the indiscriminate bombing, each who lost his/her life while resisting the oppressors. And shame on those men and women alike who cooperated and helped the invading forces in identifying the insurgents/freedom fighters.

 

[sherdil76]

... and same applies to those who are killing innocent muslims all over the world. but still after so much rubish going on live in world media Islam is fastest growing religion in world and thats the biggest fear enemies have.