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He is the man that also recently said:
:coffee: You have to look beyond the promises, since they are trying to sell the development to the MoD and IAF, without having any base to start such a development.

Boeing was building a Transonic Wind Tunnel in Hyderabad as part of its Offset Obligation. I suspect Dr. Tamilmani knows about the completion status of that :coffee:

Current MoD and PMO are already SOLD on the idea of indigenous development, There is NO need for promises. In fact, after the recent FIRING of DRDO head, the message that has gone out loud and clear is no more false promises.
 
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I guess Range of those BVRs will be 55 to 60 KM, range of WVRs will be around 30 to 37 KM.

For Pak Fa- BVR range willl be 80 KM and WVR Range-37 KM, I think.

The reason is Pak Fa bays are longer and Pak Fa is bigger so while AMCA carries 4 missiles Pak Fa will carry 6.

What do you think?



How did you get that still out of video?

It's not about the AAM's but the small bombs, while ADA / DRDO tried to sell AMCA as an F35 counterpart with proper strike capabilities. This looks more like the F22 weapon bay, which also is limited to smaller bombs only.
Range of a BVR missile is not that important for a stealth fighter, since it has the advantage of low detectability, compared to current generation fighters. So you would rather close in into the no escape zone and launch your missiles at medium range, that at long range. MICA IR type of missiles therefor are much more useful for a stealth fighter, than an Aim 120D.
Pak Fa weapon bay is still a mystery, lets see about that.
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It's not about the AAM's but the small bombs, while ADA / DRDO tried to sell AMCA as an F35 counterpart with proper strike capabilities. This looks more like the F22 weapon bay, which also is limited to smaller bombs only.
Range of a BVR missile is not that important for a stealth fighter, since it has the advantage of low detectability, compared to current generation fighters. So you would rather close in into the no escape zone and launch your missiles at medium range, that at long range. MICA IR type of missiles therefor are much more useful for a stealth fighter, than an Aim 120D.
Pak Fa weapon bay is still a mystery, lets see about that.
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New Engines for AMCA by 2020
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Speaking on sidelines of Aero India 2015, DRDO officials confirmed to idrw.org that new 110 kN thrust class engines since will based on Proven and established engine technology and not to be developed by Scratch will be ready by 2020 for Production.

While DRDO will be engaging with Rolls-Royce, GE, Snecma who are major jet engine makers on Joint development of new engines which will require two crucial requirements one being engines needs to generate 110kN class of thrust and equipped with 2D Thrust vectoring nozzles (TVC) along with ability to Super-cruise at Mach 1.2.

General Electric is clearly favorite jet engine manufacturer who will be awarded the Contract to develop new engines, New engine will be based on F-414 engines since GE’s F-414 engines which will power Tejas MK-2 has growth potential of 20 % and GE officials have agreed to fine tune engine to fulfill AMCA requirements which according to DRDO officials needs to be developed in 3 years after awarding Contract and GE in-House Research & Development have designed many of the components needed for uprated engine and have great chance of completing project in required time frame set by DRDO.

While DRDO officials are saying first TD (Technology Demonstrator) of AMCA might fly with older Ge engines which currently powers LCA Tejas aircraft but can be upgraded to new engines once new engines enter production.

New Engines for AMCA by 2020 | idrw.org


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Rolls-Royce to offer Eurojet EJ200 engine to power India’s AMCA

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Rolls-Royce is one of the three aero major which has been invited to submit a proposal for joint development of a new engine in the class of 110kN thrust to power India’s 5th-generation fighter jet have confirmed that they will be offering Eurojet EJ200 engine used on Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft developed by EuroJet Turbo GmbH which is a multi-national consortium of which Rolls-Royce is partner .

On sidelines of Aero India 2015, EuroJet Turbo Company officials had talks with DRDO and ADA officials who are developing AMCA, EuroJet officials also briefed Indian officials about EJ2x0 a new engine Variant which according to their In-house R&D can generate 30% more power compared to the original EJ200 with a reheated output of around 120 kN from current 90kN developed b

While it seems like General Electric which has supplied F404-GE-IN20 engines to power Tejas MK-1 and have won a contract to supply 99 F414-INS6 engines to power Tejas MK-2 will again be front runners to supply engines for AMCA Project, Eurojet Turbo which has recently reached a memorandum of understanding with Turkey on supply of a derivative of the EJ200 to be used in the Turkey “TFX ” program which is a twin-engine fifth-generation jet fighter to be developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries are also confident of their chances In India.

EuroJet Turbo also has developed and demonstrated 2D thrust vector control module which can be integrated into the engine as required in AMCA engine requirements

The Eurojet consortium is responsible for the management of production, support and export of the EJ200 engine system. Eurojet’s shareholders comprise Rolls-Royce (UK), MTU Aero Engines (Germany), ITP (Spain) and Avio Aero (Italy).


Rolls-Royce to offer Eurojet EJ200 engine to power India’s AMCA | idrw.org
 
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Dassault's concern over HAL and its ability

1)Dassault is working with HAL to ensure that the
latter can produce carbon-fibre composites
needed for the plane using an automated
process. Currently, HAL had to use a manual
technique for the production of materials.

2)HAL also needs to change the working culture
at its radar lab in order to churn out the RBE-2
AESA radar in satisfactory quality.

3)France wants an assurance that the
engineers they train remain deployed and
committed to the manufacture of the Rafale.

Mobile Uploads - Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook

BREAKING NEWS....
Negotiations on Rafale Deal are now over.... and the final report is with the government, now only the agreement has to be signed, which is most likely to be done after the Budget is announced, that is tomorrow.

JAI HIND

Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook
 
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Dassault's concern over HAL and its ability

1)Dassault is working with HAL to ensure that the
latter can produce carbon-fibre composites
needed for the plane using an automated
process. Currently, HAL had to use a manual
technique for the production of materials.

2)HAL also needs to change the working culture
at its radar lab in order to churn out the RBE-2
AESA radar in satisfactory quality.

3)France wants an assurance that the
engineers they train remain deployed and
committed to the manufacture of the Rafale.

Mobile Uploads - Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook

BREAKING NEWS....
Negotiations on Rafale Deal are now over.... and the final report is with the government, now only the agreement has to be signed, which is most likely to be done after the Budget is announced, that is tomorrow.

JAI HIND

Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook
Dafaq tomorrow we will know about mmrca ?
 
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Dassault's concern over HAL and its ability

1)Dassault is working with HAL to ensure that the
latter can produce carbon-fibre composites
needed for the plane using an automated
process. Currently, HAL had to use a manual
technique for the production of materials.

2)HAL also needs to change the working culture
at its radar lab in order to churn out the RBE-2
AESA radar in satisfactory quality.

3)France wants an assurance that the
engineers they train remain deployed and
committed to the manufacture of the Rafale.

Mobile Uploads - Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook

BREAKING NEWS....
Negotiations on Rafale Deal are now over.... and the final report is with the government, now only the agreement has to be signed, which is most likely to be done after the Budget is announced, that is tomorrow.

JAI HIND


Indian - Aerospace/defense NEWS. | Facebook


tomorrow ??? just can"t wait .....
 
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A note on India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project

Saturday , December 27, 2014 at 12 : 12


The Chinese today are flying two fifth generation fighter prototypes, at least one of which will enter series production sometime in the next decade. It of course remains to be seen whether the Chinese J-20 design will ultimately be powered by a Chinese low bypass turbofan engine or not. India meanwhile is still haggling with Russia on work share and tech share issues before it inks the final development contract for the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) that will be based on the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA baseline.

Regardless, it has been clear for some time now that India will have to mount a serious fifth generation effort of its own in order to both free itself from dependency on any other country as well build its aerospace sector on the foundation created through the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) program. For that purpose the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) that oversees the LCA program has now increased the pace of activity with respect to the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program. However for the AMCA to reach fruition in a timely manner, the government of the day would do well to invest more in creating deeper aerospace development infrastructure.



The LCA program has taken the time it has to mature precisely because there was a hiatus in domestic fighter aircraft development post the HAL HF-24 Marut that was India's first homegrown jet fighter. No timely follow on programme to the Marut meant that both human and capital resources had to be built up concurrently even as the LCA program progressed contributing to delays. Today however via the LCA program India has a National Flight Test Centre to carry out flight testing with mobile telemetry stations, system design & evaluation facility for model based evaluations, a virtual reality facility to study assembly, accessibility and other related aspects, a lightning test facility and an explosive atmosphere test facility. However all this is not nearly enough for India to scale up its aerospace sector and take it to the next level.



For one, India is woefully short of wind tunnel facilities at the moment. Internal ADA projections reveal that as opposed to an emerging requirement of 8000 load outs a year, India has the capability to service only 1500 load outs annually through existing facilities. This lack of capacity is one of the reasons why the AMCA has had to undergo wind tunnel testing at the Calspan Wind Tunnel in the United States of America, before its final aerodynamic layout was frozen. Also, the dimensions of the current wind tunnel facilities at the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bangalore, can accommodate only rather smallish models. Calspan's dimensions allowed larger models of the AMCA to be tested than what could be done at home it seems.



The AMCA is obviously larger than the LCA and is in the 'medium' category with a max take off weight (MTOW) of 25 tons. The fighter will have the usual roster of what is typically considered 'fifth generation' including obviously stealth, supercruising ability, an active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire control radar, thrust vectoring for super manoeuvrability, networked data fusion etc. and will allow modular construction.



The state of technology in what goes into making a fifth generation fighter is unevenly developed in India at the moment. Take stealth for instance, while Indian designers certainly know how to build a stealthy airframe in terms of pure aerodynamic shaping, Dr K Tamilmani, Director General (Aero), DRDO says that much work remains to be done in areas such as radar absorbent materials, conformal antennae and flush air data sensors etc. in order to achieve near all aspect stealth. In domains such as coatings that reduce exhaust exit temperatures, India has some experience having developed the same for the Advanced Light Helicopter program and more work is underway at IIT Mumbai.



Moreover, even as various aspects of stealth technology are being worked upon, the fact remains that the AMCA test vehicles will be powered by imported low bypass turbofan engines. According to Dr Tamilmani, an engine selection process is not just underway, but is actually being hastened. Six engine original equipment makers (OEMs) have been sounded out for what is essentially an upgraded & up-rated version of an existing engine that could provide 110 kilo newton (KN) of wet thrust. "The RFPs will be sent out by April 2015, and in another eight months we will firm up our choice of engine to power the AMCA," says Dr Tamilmani. "We however have to do a lot work on our own to develop thrust vectoring for the AMCA," he adds.



At the moment, the greatest hypothetical weight configuration of the AMCA design (with fuel and a certain weapons mix) has been calculated to be around 24.2 tons and ADA designers are confident that even with 105 KN engines, the AMCA would be able to meet design aerodynamic parameters. However given the experience with the LCA program, ADA this time really wants that 5 KN margin in order to be safe rather than sorry. It seems that the AMCA will also have an unusually large internal weapons bay that will have the capacity to accommodate around three tons worth of weapons. The AMCA will also feature six underwing pylons for externally carried weapons.



The total spend on the programme so far has been under Rs 100 crore. The project has been taken up on the basis of a preliminary staff qualitative requirement from the Indian Air Force (IAF) and is currently in the project definition phase. Dr Tamilmani believes that for around Rs 4000 crore it would be possible to build 3 or 4 flying prototypes, the first of which should take to the skies by 2020-21.



Follow Saurav Jha on Twitter @SJha1618.


Saurav Jha's Blog : A note on India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project
 
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yes people who have actually any combat experience or involved in rnd of complex defense equipment are best placed to write articles of any sort to be published not keyboard mad man like sourav jha

Ok. If i post anything from him further, do come back and insult this guy or any other guy ..

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