Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] Development | Updates & Discussions.

[SpArK]

sure if i am online and reading i will

And about the article, which all points you want to refute?

 

[SpArK]

i have closely followed the writer for many months and most of his articles are full of crap in general , his obsession for favoring Russian junk over western arms and blatantly trying to protect failed drdo projects is what i dislike most

Read the article and comment on it. Thread is about AMCA..

I can wait.

 

[SpArK]

sorry no time for another sourav jha crap , will wait for another article by some neutral writer on amca when it is actually materialized and not a paper plane .
My strong opinion is drdo should spend its max energy on fast tracking tejas mk2 to be finished before 2020 .
IAF should get rafales in numbers for mmrca role and fgfa for air superiority in stealth mode, rest other projects should wait.

So its just blah blah blah writer .........got it.

 

[SpArK]

He is better of trying his hand on fiction novel , he neither has engineering background nor any combat experience to write defense articles

He is a reporter. He writes on various things based on information available as a press person.

he cant write on fiction as he doesnt have a degree in literature or he cant write on politics as he doesnt have a degree in political science or about AR rahman concerts as he doesnt know to sing properly.

So its Logical.

 

[sancho]

He is a reporter. He writes on various things based on information available as a press person.

Which is why this kind of actual reports are preferable than short tweets, but in times of social media, things get reduced to very limited infos just to spread the info first, rather to have credible sources, quotes or even as in this case proper logic behind it.

He starts by pointing to China and the 2 developments they have and then diverts the attention the ongoing negotiations with the Russians, to conclude that we need own developments not only to face the threats, but also to be independent from foreign countries.
That however shows the fundamental problem in India, were we take indigenous developments as a matter of pride, rather than seeing things with a more rational point of view and see them as a way to solve problems!
It doesn't matter how many fighter developments China have, since that doesn't mean we have to start one too, let alone that we would be able to finish one. We need additional fighters, if we have the requirement to replace fighters (IAF beyond 2030), or to add new capabilities which are not available (IN for IAC2). Similarly, we don't need an own fighter development to be independent from Russia, the fact that we jointly develop one is dealing with the dependance already and it's actually even the next level to reduce dependance, from what we do at the MKI today (production in India with as much parts produced in India, by materials sourced on our own, upgrading the MKI with high ammount of indigenous techs, materials and weapons...).

So his core points for the need of the AMCA development are flawed, by looking at the wrong things, rather than start with an evaluation of what the forces need in future and what the industry have today to base such an development on. He touches the latter rather indirectly, by pointing to the lack of adequate infrastructure for such a project, or the lack of a proper engine and the required techs (confirmed by the ADA and DRDO officials, which makes it even funnier). He doesn't point to the failures of ADA in the field of aircraft design, which made LCA and NLCA suffer a lot and which might be the core field where problems for AMCA will start.

It seems that the AMCA will also have an unusually large internal weapons bay that will have the capacity to accommodate around three tons worth of weapons.

This statement also seems to be wrong, once because the internal payload isn't limited to the main weapon bay, but if available also to side bays for AAMs. A standard set of 2 x R73 + 2 x Astra's alone would add to around 500Kg, which leaves the rest of the payload for additional weapons.
The second reason to doubt his statement, is the official AMCA video of ADA, which shows a rather small weapon load in the bay:

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2 x R37
2 x Astra
2 x 1000lb bombs
=> would be around 1500Kg

Even if it could carry 2 x 2000 bombs in addition to the missiles, the payload would not even touch 2500Kg let alone 3000Kg.

 

[sancho]

oh please stop quoting from sourav jha he is biggest disillusioned moron ever seen commenting on defense matters

First of all, posting an article is always good, because without infos you can't get to a proper idea of the matter. Secondly, even if I don't agree to all his points in the article, he shows that he has done his job by talking to officials on the matter and quoting them officially, not just pointing to unnamed sources as it's too often the case in the Indian media.
Last but not least, everybody is free to have an own opinion, he, you or me and we all are free to express our views in whatever way. So you can't just blame him for his views, but as @SpArK stated, should counter them, by pointing to the wrong parts, or giving own arguments.

 

[IrbiS]

 

[Omega007]

HIS ARTICLES ARE NOT EVEN WORTH LOOKING COMPLETE WASTAGE OF TIME SOURAV JHA

Says a guy whose user name is an oxymoron!!

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Says a guy whose user name is an oxymoron!!

Actually the term "Logical Hindu" is a Tautology. Hindus have had the most advanced logic that is far more advanced than anything the world had developed. It is called Tarka sashtra.

His using that name however is an oxymoron.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

logic like ancient flying saucers ??

No, logic that makes me ignore loud mouth fools like you.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

what happened cant debate on logic of Hindus , scared are we ? Or you belong to same category of sourav jha who with a economics degree of 2nd division think he is engineering and defense expert ?

Debates are with people how know something. Best to ignore fools or they will drag you down to their level.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

true people who believe in ancient flying machines really know something

Certainly more than you will ever know. They even command more respect than you ............... now stop wasting my time by quoting me. Go bug somebody else who can tolerate you.

 

[DeathInvader]

Certainly more than you will ever know. They even command more respect than you ............... now stop wasting my time by quoting me. Go bug somebody else who can tolerate you.

Don't waste your time on him. I regret spending 20 mins of my time on him. Because f**k Logic !

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Don't waste your time on him. I regret spending 20 mins of my time on him. Because f**k Logic !

LOL. He is a harmless fool so he gets a free pass from me. I reserve vitriol for the Not so harmless fools.

 

[tsarbomba]

look who is taking person with user name of stupid concept called moksha

Will you please stay on topic? You have proved your weak logical reasoning already and don't need to further degrade your impression.