ABM for Pakistan...!

[war&peace]

Waste of time.

IK has it right. Get the priorities sorted out. Education, health, environment. What good is war when you wont have water to drink?

You are totally wrong. Defence precedes all these.

 

[Imran Khan]

WE HAVE ABM
ABM Data Systems (Pvt) Limited, Karachi, Pakistan

 

[denel]

You are totally wrong. Defence precedes all these.

well that is just too bad and shows unwillingness to change.

 

[LeGenD]

By deterrence it is as simple as that induct ababeel if they launch BM fire one back. MAD policy is the best defence. Look at Russia they went for more effective missiles rather than ABM. A nation with ABM will always be on the receiving end of the nukes.

Russia have shielded Moscow with various ABM platforms. Russia is developing and fielding ABM systems in other locations as well.

ABM network creates a deterrence of its own.

not possible, it will take time for radars to analyze the ballistic missile, its trajectory and other factors and to suggest a suitable interceptor ... It is really difficult even seconds are important

Bro,

Google "computing power trends."

We do not live in 1965.

 

[The Accountant]

Russia have shielded Moscow with various ABM platforms. Russia is developing and fielding ABM systems in other locations as well.

ABM network creates a deterrence of its own.


Bro,

Google "computing power trends."

We do not live in 1965.

No sir you are wrong how can any computing device predict my trajectory till it becomes free fall under ballistic trajectory ? For example same angle same acceleration same direction but engine burning for 4 minutes will have a completely different target for engine burning for 4 mjnutes 15 seconds ... Hiw the hell any machine can predict ?

 

[Jugger]

Definitely Pakistan should go for ABM and other defence systems.

But until then , owners pride...neighbors envy.

 

[Super Falcon]

Invest in Ballistic missiles sub

 

[Chimgathar]

The new Pantsyr-SM will be a beast with 20Km-40Km range

 

[LeGenD]

No sir you are wrong how can any computing device predict my trajectory till it becomes free fall under ballistic trajectory ? For example same angle same acceleration same direction but engine burning for 4 minutes will have a completely different target for engine burning for 4 mjnutes 15 seconds ... Hiw the hell any machine can predict ?

Data from radar and optical sensors is used to develop smart algorithms for calculating/predicting trajectory of a ballistic object with a high degree of accuracy. Idea is to fill the gaps in real-time monitoring of a ballistic object. Like this:

However, it is possible that the ballistic object is programmed to perform a certain set-of-maneuvers during the course of its flight. Therefore, algorithm(s) might calculate multiple trajectories [set-of-possibilities] until the next sensor picks up the target.

FYI: https://exoanalytic.com/missile-defense/

Alternatively, deploy a sensor architecture which will track the ballistic object in real-time from its birth to its death:

 

[The Accountant]

Data from radar and optical sensors is used to develop smart algorithms for calculating/predicting trajectory of a ballistic object with a high degree of accuracy. Idea is to fill the gaps in real-time monitoring of a ballistic object. Like this:

However, it is possible that the ballistic object is programmed to perform a certain set-of-maneuvers during the course of its flight. Therefore, algorithm(s) might calculate multiple trajectories [set-of-possibilities] until the next sensor picks up the target.

FYI: https://exoanalytic.com/missile-defense/

Alternatively, deploy a sensor architecture which will track the ballistic object in real-time from its birth to its death:

No algorithim till to date can predict the path till engine stops and missile starts ballistic trajectory ... Your uploaded video is also claiming the same ... In india **** scenario the time duration between start for ballistic trajectory and final target is so short that effectively engage the targets is highly difficult ... The interceptor missile have to be at right place at right time which is practically really difficult whereas stopimg a ballistic misile at terminal phase is next to impossible .. it is really difficult to hit a mach 15 target with a mach 11 target ...

 

[LeGenD]

No algorithim till to date can predict the path till engine stops and missile starts ballistic trajectory ... Your uploaded video is also claiming the same ... In india **** scenario the time duration between start for ballistic trajectory and final target is so short that effectively engage the targets is highly difficult ... The interceptor missile have to be at right place at right time which is practically really difficult whereas stopimg a ballistic misile at terminal phase is next to impossible .. it is really difficult to hit a mach 15 target with a mach 11 target ...

Bro,

I would caution against issuing blanket statements over these technical matters. Here is a scientific paper: https://udrc.eng.ed.ac.uk/sites/udrc.eng.ed.ac.uk/files/publications/WP2.1_PUB6.pdf

As for PAK - INDIA scenario; Indian scientists are in a better position to explain what they can achieve in this domain. They are getting meaningful input from Israel and Russia in this regard.

A ballistic missile takes a while to reach a target - in a span of minutes. It will provide a window for its intercept to the relevant defenses at some point.

Stopping a ballistic missile in terminal phase is not really difficult. Interceptor is not supposed to chase and/or outrace its target but obtain a lock on the incoming RV and steer in its direction [homing guidance], and then either collide with it [HKT model] or explode when really close to it [BF model]. This is akin to positioning yourself on the path of a speedy car - you need to see it coming and throw an object in the right spot; and then watch the show. Range of the interceptor is important nevertheless and tracking mechanism should be good in order to create a window for the intercept early on.

Midcourse intercept in exo- atmospheric conditions is challenging task on the other hand. You need a large and powerful interceptor, and complement it with a sophisticated sensor suite which should be capable of discriminating objects in the "thread cloud."

 

[The Accountant]

Bro,

I would caution against issuing blanket statements over these technical matters. Here is a scientific paper: https://udrc.eng.ed.ac.uk/sites/udrc.eng.ed.ac.uk/files/publications/WP2.1_PUB6.pdf

As for PAK - INDIA scenario; Indian scientists are in a better position to explain what they can achieve in this domain. They are getting meaningful input from Israel and Russia in this regard.

A ballistic missile takes a while to reach a target - in a span of minutes. Window for the intercept opens at a certain point of its flight.

Stopping a ballistic missile in terminal phase is not difficult. Interceptor is not supposed to chase and/or outrace its target but obtain a lock on the incoming RV and steer in its direction [homing guidance], and then either collide with it [HKT model] or explode near it [BF model] at the right moment. This is akin to positioning yourself on the path of a speedy car - you need to see it coming and position yourself in the right spot. Range of the interceptor is important nevertheless and tracking mechanism should be good in order to create a window for the intercept.

Midcourse intercept in exo- atmospheric conditions is challenging task on the other hand. You need a large and powerful interceptor, and complement it with a sophisticated sensor suite which should be capable of discriminating objects in the "thread cloud."

Bro even in the paper you share there is no way of predicting the future course at boast phase ...path can be predicted only after end of boast phase ... Now the only time for terminal stage interceptor to destroy the RV is between end of boast phase and attack which can range between 5 minutes to 25 minutes ... Now the interceptor missile with much lesser speed has to be at a perfect place to hit a target with speed of 15 mach ... In real life scenario achievibg this is really difficultas you can field only limited numbers of interceptor missiles ...

 

[LeGenD]

Bro even in the paper you share there is no way of predicting the future course at boast phase ...path can be predicted only after end of boast phase ...

Perhaps I did not explain my point well enough, earlier.

Please re-examine my drawing (post #40).

S1 = Satellite equipped with IR sensor suite (above in the space)
S2 = Radar system of BMDS (on the surface)

S1 detects the launch of a ballistic missile and track its movement in real-time up to the point of the separation of its booster [boost phase]. S1 will immediately provide a live feed of this launch to the relevant command center and the latter will predict the trajectory of the threat with a high degree of accuracy [smart algorithms] and/or relay information to the relevant S2 on the surface for further assessment [if in the vicinity]. S2 will commence its search for the threat in real-time, and secure a lock on the target as soon as it becomes visible to it. Once the lock is achieved, S2 will immediately calculate a point of intercept and produce a fire solution; launch interceptor(s) towards the path of the incoming RV (command guidance; range of the interceptor factored in). The interceptor will maneuver towards the incoming RV with a high degree of accuracy (onboard homing guidance) and do the needful. The entire process will not take much time.

The command center predicts the trajectory of a ballistic missile only to inform relevant BMDS for further target assessment, but the BMDS fulfills its mission on a solid footing (by tracking the target in real-time). Primary benefit of such prediction is that the command center informs the most relevant BMDS to do the needful.

In essence, we do not have a disagreement in regards to limitations of predicting the trajectory of a ballistic missile but you need to understand the process and see it in its proper context [how it works].

Now the only time for terminal stage interceptor to destroy the RV is between end of boast phase and attack which can range between 5 minutes to 25 minutes ... Now the interceptor missile with much lesser speed has to be at a perfect place to hit a target with speed of 15 mach ... In real life scenario achievibg this is really difficultas you can field only limited numbers of interceptor missiles ...

Your concerns are genuine but speed of ballistic missiles vary according to their respective propellants, payload size and duration of flight path. MACH 15 speed is unlikely for TBM and SRBM but their flight duration is also small:

MRBM might approach MACH 15 in a long flight path. However, not in depressed trajectory scenario.

Probability of intercept would rest upon the technological prowess and resultant efficiency of the defensive infrastructure, and when to deploy the interceptor(s) to defeat potential threats.

Israeli Iron Dome in action:-

Window for intercepting rockets is really small due to their flight duration which might be a few KM. However, a smart and efficient defensive infrastructure will deliver regardless.

 

[313ghazi]

They're generally very ineffective, especially in our most likely combat scenario which is India vs Pakistan.

Once a missile is launched from the relatively short distance between these countries, the time taken to detect, track, engage and intercept isn't very long and in most likeliness would be unsuccessful. Look at primitive Houthi rockets landing in Saudi, or Hamas rockets in Israel. Iron Dome doesn't stop them.

When finances allow we should look at developing laser interceptors, which is a much more effective way of defending against missiles, and potentially even fighter jets.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

In Pak-India war scenario its waste of funds. Strike time and distance is very short.

We can't neglect it. This is very important part of defense. Enemy thinks thrice before strike. I know this is very costly, But it will make defense much stronger if we are able to get medium and high range ABM system.
And Pakistan is not small country.