Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic"

[Zarvan]

Maybe it is time to abandon our status as the "Islamic" "Republic" of Pakistan, and return to our secular roots which were planned by the fathers of the nation. Pakistan was created because Jinnah and co were afraid that in a Hindu dominated Country, there would always be episodes of violence and disagreement between the two chief religions, as Muslims of India had grown to become an almost different culture. Thus Pakistan was created so that the Muslims and Hindus can live in peace alone. Pakistan was created because the Muslim League felt the new "Hindus"tan would not be secular enough, not because it wouldn't be "Islamic" enough. Do we want to end up like the Middle East?

Also, it is embarrassing how many people believe in ridiculously stupid Jewish conspiracy theories, and hate Jews so much without having ever having seen one in their entire lives. Can a mature, mentally healthy human being actually believe such far fetched stories? Is this the result of one or two generations of cousin-cousin breeding? The reality is every year hundreds, if not thousands of non-Muslims are persecuted and harassed all along the country, but our sympathies are only for Palestine and non-existent dead Muslims in Burma and India. Isn't it ridiculous how people in Pakistan want women to "cover" themselves up, yet Google confirms the most number of pornographic searches are from Pakistan. Google also confirms that South Asia ranks the highest in bestiality searches.

Now people are going to be blame me for having such a negative view of my home country, but I am telling the truth, and even if the truth is not something that was told to us through biased text books. Media doesn't report such incidents because they are more focused on who Imran Khan wants to sleep with, and they don't have time for a family of murdered Ahmaids, Shias, Chrisitans, Hindus, etc. But of course it is all Mossad's, RAW's and CIA's fault, because they have so much time and resources to waste on us. (Well, RAW is an exception I guess. They all have the time in the world for their little Eastern Sibling)

First it was never supposed to be secular state, secondly it would never work in Pakistan, as for Muslim League it was asking for Pakistan because they knew under India they would be never able to practice Islam fully that is why Iqbal came up with idea of sovereign provinces which later turned into Islamic Pakistan. Islam wants women to cover themselves which countries don't are seeing massive rise in rape. As for your master CIA and RAW they have been attacking Pakistan but there pet dogs in Pakistan bloody mentally retards want to remain in denial

 

[Ussaid]

P.S people need to stop saying that removing Islamic State would improve economical status. It would be the first step towards a secular state, something that was visioned by our forefathers and almost all developed countries follow

 

[VelocuR]

Did I said that revoking Islamic Republic from the name would turn the country into a welfare state? No. But removing it would mean a secular state, something that a forefathers visioned before Zia came along.

This is very old old argument to death, nothing new to discuss. FULL STOP!

Think future, Think solution, Think positive, Think economy effective!


Note: Russia doesn't talk much about past of Soviet Union failure, why do we keep talking everyday of small things?

 

[Kompromat]

You are conveniently giving the examples of few oil rich countries, while in the process, willfully neglecting the fact that most of the Muslim countries (almost 80%) are poor. In fact, if you checked the failed countries list, most are Muslims.

On the USSR - You are saying it was a secular state?


{{{{{{{{{{State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by a government. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.

State promotion of atheism as a public norm first came to prominence in Revolutionary France (1789-1799). Revolutionary Mexico followed similar policies from 1917, as did Marxist–Leninist states. The RSFSR (1917–1991) and the Soviet Union (1922–1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and to stay away from houses of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929 to 1939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.}}}}}}}}}}

* Most Muslim states are 'secular' republics. So you prove my point that Secularism is not linked to economic prosperity.
* Thank you for admitting that Communism was a failed ideology.
* Most of Africa and India is secular yet dirt poor.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Kompromat]

Islam doesn't recognize democracy. And really, "Islamic" basically means a form of theocracy

That is your opinion and is totally wrong and misplaced in my opinion.

 

[Ussaid]

First it was never supposed to be secular state, secondly it would never work in Pakistan, as for Muslim League it was asking for Pakistan because they knew under India they would be never able to practice Islam fully that is why Iqbal came up with idea of sovereign provinces which later turned into Islamic Pakistan. Islam wants women to cover themselves which countries don't are seeing massive rise in rape. As for your master CIA and RAW they have been attacking Pakistan but there pet dogs in Pakistan bloody mentally retards want to remain in denial

Rape is not because of the women's dressing. It is because of lack of law, just like murder. And Pakistan has more rape than most countries, people don't REPORT it because if they lose the case in court, they would be hanged on charges of Zina

 

[VelocuR]

You are the first one to receive two back to back +ve ratings from me in one thread.

Awesome, just lucky!

Thanks, man!

 

[Ussaid]

* Most Muslim states are 'secular' republics. So you prove my point that Secularism is not linked to economic prosperity.
* Thank you for admitting that Communism was a failed ideology.
* Most of Africa and India is secular yet dirt poor.

For the last time, I DIDN'T SAID SECULAR LEADS TO ECONOMIC PROSPERITY BUT IT LEADS TO LESS PERVERTED IDIOTS IN A COUNTRY.

 

[Kompromat]

Did I said that revoking Islamic Republic from the name would turn the country into a welfare state? No. But removing it would mean a secular state, something that a forefathers visioned before Zia came along.

Again, obvious of facts and utterly misleading.

The Constituent Assembly adopted it on 29 February 1956, and it was enforced on 23 March 1956, proclaiming Pakistan to be an Islamic Republic. Thats way before Zia ever came along

For the last time, I DIDN'T SAID SECULAR LEADS TO ECONOMIC PROSPERITY BUT IT LEADS TO LESS PERVERTED IDIOTS IN A COUNTRY.

Is there a scientific evidence to back it up? - Are you stating that secular countries are 'not perverted' ?

 

[Ussaid]

Again, obvious of facts and utterly misleading.

The Constituent Assembly adopted it on 29 February 1956, and it was enforced on 23 March 1956, proclaiming Pakistan to be an Islamic Republic. Thats way before Zia ever came along

And exactly 7 years after Jinnah's death.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

But the Maulvis and Maulanas shape the society. I am talking about the society, NOT the state's economical condition.

So according to you the Maulvis and Maulanas were shaping the society. What was the army, Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, Musharraf, Sharif and Zardari were doing when they were ruling the country ?

Blaming the usual suspect is so easy !!!!!

 

[Ussaid]

Is there a scientific evidence to back it up? - Are you stating that secular countries are 'not perverted' ?

They don't rank number one on bestiality searches, for one

So according to you the Maulvis and Maulanas were shaping the society. What was the army, Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, Musharraf, Sharif and Zardari were doing when they were ruling the country ?

Blaming the usual suspect is so easy !!!!!

They were doing bad stuff too. Happy?

 

[Kompromat]

They don't rank number one on bestiality searches, for one

Please provide a source.

 

[ashok321]

* Most Muslim states are 'secular' republics. So you prove my point that Secularism is not linked to economic prosperity.
* Thank you for admitting that Communism was a failed ideology.
* Most of Africa and India is secular yet dirt poor.

Lol..

Out of OIC block of 57 Muslim countries, how many are secular?