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A View about India Written by Pakistani Journalist Dr. Farrukh Saleem

The author perhaps a very limited sense of social sciences. His notion that Pakistan and India are of the same 'lot' is not entirely true and this goes through every sense of the word.

Ethnically, our diversity is much different from India. As an example India does not have the number of ethnic Pakthuns and Balochies that we have and taking Paksitan = Punjab + Sindh which has been historically been a part of South Asia is not correct.

Secondly, the demographics of developement in Pakistan were and still are very different: the number of urbanised people that Pakistan had was very low (with Lahore and Karachi being the only major cities in '47) where as India had about 15 or so major urban hubs and thus a vibrant 'middle class' that has been the true tipping point in the balance of power in social, economic and political terms. Pakistan's middle class rose in the late 70s and early 80s, thus, development in all terms would naturally be different.

Thirdly, the factors that both nations faced and the resources with which they could face it were again very different: Pakistan's founding party was voted completely out of power within the first decade of her inception. India enjoyed Congress leadership for a longer time. Pakistan's territory was divided, India had a united territory.

Lastly, Pakistan did not enjoy the fruits of British administrative hold which India did. Infrastructure wise, India got the better part of British legacy whereas Pakistan got the fringe regions which were underdeveloped for the most part and had to put in resources that it did not have in not just social/political development but also infrastructure.

So, the original premise is faulty.


And despite all those resources etc.. Pakistan has a much larger middle class of 75 million people ... 45% of the total population... also there are no sindhis in india aswell... maybe a few sindhi hindu refugees but no Sindh or its culture...
 
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And despite all those resources etc.. Pakistan has a much larger middle class of 75 million people ... 45% of the total population... also there are no sindhis in india aswell... maybe a few sindhi hindu refugees but no Sindh or its culture...


Sindhis are there in India in large numbers bit are scattered all over India.
 
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True, however, in the overall demographics they are not as impactful as the Sindhis are here in Pakistan. As an example take the PPP, had it not been for Sindh it would not have survived the Zia purges.
Sindhis are there in India in large numbers bit are scattered all over India.
 
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True, however, in the overall demographics they are not as impactful as the Sindhis are here in Pakistan. As an example take the PPP, had it not been for Sindh it would not have survived the Zia purges.

As of the 2001 census, there were 2,571,526 Sindhi speakers in India. Now it is estimated that the figures are much more than that.

There are considerable representation of Sindhis in politics like Lal Krishna Advani.
There are various people from sindhi origin in Bollywood and southern film industries also.

Large numbers? 0.1-.2% of the indian population? as for scattered... yes and lost their culture etc...

India do not oppress any culture unlike Pakistan who is mimicking Arabs. Sindhis are majorly concentrated in Gujarat and they follow their culture.
 
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The author perhaps a very limited sense of social sciences. His notion that Pakistan and India are of the same 'lot' is not entirely true and this goes through every sense of the word.

Ethnically, our diversity is much different from India. As an example India does not have the number of ethnic Pakthuns and Balochies that we have and taking Paksitan = Punjab + Sindh which has been historically been a part of South Asia is not correct.

Secondly, the demographics of developement in Pakistan were and still are very different: the number of urbanised people that Pakistan had was very low (with Lahore and Karachi being the only major cities in '47) where as India had about 15 or so major urban hubs and thus a vibrant 'middle class' that has been the true tipping point in the balance of power in social, economic and political terms. Pakistan's middle class rose in the late 70s and early 80s, thus, development in all terms would naturally be different.

Thirdly, the factors that both nations faced and the resources with which they could face it were again very different: Pakistan's founding party was voted completely out of power within the first decade of her inception. India enjoyed Congress leadership for a longer time. Pakistan's territory was divided, India had a united territory.

Lastly, Pakistan did not enjoy the fruits of British administrative hold which India did. Infrastructure wise, India got the better part of British legacy whereas Pakistan got the fringe regions which were underdeveloped for the most part and had to put in resources that it did not have in not just social/political development but also infrastructure.

So, the original premise is faulty.

I'll add one more factor if I may.


Many of the top business families have roots that go back 200 years or so.

for example Tata's family is not a product of 90s. It goes back decades if not centuries.

These families act as conglomerate by providing badly needed financing for rapid expansion, while keeping the group corruption free.

They also help train the next generation of business elite from within the family.

While many of the techies can start and run a 50 man company. you need a Tata or Ambani to run 50,000 man company. Because large companies are complex organisms and they need unique expertise.


Pakistan did get some of the memons and parsi families in 1947.

Pakistan developed some new families as well.

But all of these families for looted by the commies and socialists during the dark days of ZA bhutto.


Bhutto should be given credit for single handedly and permanently destroying the "long term business investment" in Pakistan.

Such business investments are mainly engineering and manufacturing.

Thus our BECO became forking PECO and then looted by the PPP Jiyalas.


As I said there comparing few rich people from India is huge stupidity

and it also does a disservice to both Pakistan AND India.

For Pakistan it reinforces that Indians are bunch of money hungry baniyas

And Indians get this false sense of my shtick is bigger than yours while ignoring abject poverty still prevalent in large parts of India.

Peace
 
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You are not getting the point. One person who is of Sindhi origin and is influential is not the same as a community being influential, due to their relative position in the social matrix of the nation. In that case, Sindhis are not as influential in India as say, Tamils or Bengalis are. Therefore, the culture of the latter influences India much more than that of the former (again in social analyses individuals are not included but communities are). However, in Pakistan the culture and social presence of the Sindhis is much more influential. It is this matrix constitution that makes us different. The same also holds for the Punjab.
As of the 2001 census, there were 2,571,526 Sindhi speakers in India. Now it is estimated that the figures are much more than that.

There are considerable representation of Sindhis in politics like Mahatma Ghandi, Lal Krishna Advani.
There are various people from sindhi origin in Bollywood and southern film industries also.



India do not oppress any culture unlike Pakistan who is hell bent on mimicking Arabs. Sindhis are majorly concentrated in Gujarat and they follow their culture.
 
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Nor do north Indians... apart from Punjabis or Rajputs..
Punjabi's and Rajasthani's and Gujarati's have a lot in common with Pakistan Punjabi's and Sindhi's.

But maybe you have also forgotten all the mujahir's in Pakistan. Those have more in common with people of UP and Bihar than any Pathan or Punjabi.

So please dont limit Pakistan to Punjabi's and some Rajputs.
 
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That is absolutely correct. I did not want to delve into this because many Pakistanis and Indians get offended at the mention of castes, which has influenced our nations much more than we like to admit, and thus, I negated this factor but this is absolutely true, in essence.

I'll add one more factor if I may.


Many of the top business families have roots that go back 200 years or so.

for example Tata's family is not a product of 90s. It goes back decades if not centuries.

Pakistan did get some of the memons and parsi families in 1947.

Pakistan developed some new families as well.

But all of these families for looted by the commies and socialists during the dark days of ZA bhutto.


Bhutto should be given credit for single handedly and permanently destroying the "long term business investment" in Pakistan.

Such business investments are mainly engineering and manufacturing.

Thus our BECO became forking PECO and then looted by the PPP Jiyalas.


As I said there comparing few rich people from India is huge stupidity

and it also does a disservice to both Pakistan AND India.

For Pakistan it reinforces that Indians are bunch of money hungry baniyas

And Indians get this false sense of my shtick is bigger than yours while ignoring abject poverty still prevalent in large parts of India.

Peace
 
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Large numbers? 0.1-.2% of the indian population? as for scattered... yes and lost their culture etc...


Actually no. There are pretty decent sized communities in areas of Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Bhopal, Orissa and Kolkota, in which the communities have retained their language, culture and Sindhi identity. So your logic is flawed.
Arent those people "NRIs" ... only indian by origin?... citizens of those respective countries and not india!!

Also the article is full of crap... inaccurate n moronic..



Nor do north Indians... apart from Punjabis or Rajputs..


We Rajputs have nothing in common with pakistanis. Some of you claim to be "Rajputs", but that is not the case whatsoever.
 
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As of the 2001 census, there were 2,571,526 Sindhi speakers in India. Now it is estimated that the figures are much more than that.

There are considerable representation of Sindhis in politics like Mahatma Ghandi, Lal Krishna Advani.
There are various people from sindhi origin in Bollywood and southern film industries also.

I thought Gandhi Sahib was a Gujrati ! :unsure:

India do not oppress any culture unlike Pakistan who is mimicking Arabs. Sindhis are majorly concentrated in Gujarat and they follow their culture.


Of course....of course ! :disagree:

Do visit Pakistan sometime to gather how much we're oppressing our cultures & mimicking Arabs instead of formulating your opinion from crappy articles with provocative punch-lines or loud talk-shows meant to spice things up !

Or better yet just listen to 1-2 Episodes of Coke Studio & see the diversity for yourself ! :lol:
 
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