A teenager has beheaded a teacher in northern Paris for showing pictures of Prophet Mohammed in class

[Dark1]

Ermm , Muslim soldiers helped liberate France and Europe from Nazis in 1945, so we have every right to express our views and disgust. In the UK and US I see people killed for lesser things so killings due to dishonor are not specific to Muslims. Try talking to a crazed Christian zealot about abuse in the Church and he will tear your limbs off.

My answer was to the false equivalence of the previous poster.
You have the right to impose your belief system in your home countries on your own citizens and visitors but to go 1000s of km and impose it on others under the threat of murder is not ok.
If Hindus say we will kill anyone who eats cows anywhere in the world, that would be its equivalent.
And you referred to a crazed Christian zealot but in this forum we have half the posters advocating and supporting this murder , most posters being educated and west based. And this is how stereotypes emerge.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

France is fast becoming a grand problem which must be gotten rid off for the good of the human kind itself!

 

[BATMAN]

Quran, Ali Imran verse 186

You ˹believers˺ will surely be tested in your wealth and yourselves, and you will certainly hear many hurtful words from those who were given the Scripture before you and ˹from˺ the polytheists. But if you are patient and mindful ˹of Allah˺—surely this is a resolve to aspire to.


Quran, An-Nahl verse 126

If you retaliate, then let it be equivalent to what you have suffered. But if you patiently endure, it is certainly best for those who are patient.

In this case all the blasphemy murders and rage is like going against the guidance of Quran.

France is fast becoming a grand problem which must be gotten rid off for the good of the human kind itself!

Look around Pakistan.... we are the epicenter of this blasphemy madness.
I propose, Pakistan shall only issue passports after interviewing the people on the issue of cartoons.

 

[khansaheeb]

My answer was to the false equivalence of the previous poster.
You have the right to impose your belief system in your home countries on your own citizens and visitors but to go 1000s of km and impose it on others under the threat of murder is not ok.
If Hindus say we will kill anyone who eats cows anywhere in the world, that would be its equivalent.
And you referred to a crazed Christian zealot but in this forum we have half the posters advocating and supporting this murder , most posters being educated and west based. And this is how stereotypes emerge.

If a Frenchman insults a judge then he may get a prison sentence, but insulting 2 billion people is ok? There is a difference in freedom of expression and freedom to insult to children. Did the teacher have permission from the parents to teach sh!t to school children? If the French government is going to teach Sh!t to children then there is going to be a big big problem.

There are ulterior motives of the French Zion PM and his racist and Islamophobic agenda let's see what his game is.

 

[Dark1]

If a Frenchman insults a judge then he may get a prison sentence, but insulting 2 billion people is ok? There is a difference in freedom of expression and freedom to insult to children. Did the teacher have permission from the parents to teach sh!t to school children? If the French government is going to teach Sh!t to children then there is going to be a big big problem.

There are ulterior motives of the French Zion PM and his racist and Islamophobic agenda let's see what his game is.

Unlike our lot , the west passed through a phase of reasoning and their views on religion and dogma have evolved. Except in pockets, most westerners consider themselves atheists.
Their is no compulsion on other races to relocate to evil France or other western countries. And you adroitly ignored the points i made. So i am out .

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Is this your justification for the crime?

I witness brain washing in Pakistan... i quote here example of PM of Pakistan, who in his first speech at OIC brought in the matter of cartoons.... whereupon he angrily addressed the member nations and said they need to do more than condemnation.... so here we are some one subscribing to his preaching.

OIC is like Oh I see,
These french people making cartoon of Prophet MUHAMMAD (PBUH) and theses arabs dont condemn about this issue even they are showing sympathy to teacher who showed cartoon and abuse it.

THEY HAVE TO GIVE STRONG MASSAGE TO FRENCH GOVT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

Here is statement from so called Muslim ummah leader's:

RIYADH — The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has expressed the Kingdom’s strong condemnation of the terrorist attack that took place in a suburb of the French capital Paris, and claimed the life of a French citizen.

The Ministry expressed the Kingdom's solidarity with the French people, while offering condolences and sympathy to the victim's family, the French government and its people.

Saudi Arabia strongly condemns Paris terrorist attack

Saudi Arabia strongly condemns Paris terrorist attack

saudigazette.com.sa

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However, PDF also strive for inter-faith and inter-national harmony. If an issue can be resolved through constructive dialogue and/or an apology, then this is for the best.

I see where the confusion arose brother. I guess I should not have separated these three sentences apart in their own paragraphs..

So showing abusive, nude pictures of revered personalities to teens is your idea of freedom of speech, and no one has a right to be offended?

How are you a TTA on this forum populated by Muslim Pakistanis?

What message are we sending to our Pakistani readership?

What I meant here in the above quote is that the issue of blasphemy is a tinderbox for Pakistanis. I responded in a detailed and thorough manner to explain our view to make people understand why it is so contentious.

We should not allow any defense of and support of blasphemy of our dear Prophet Muhammad saws on this forum.

Otherwise I have no issue with any TTA, even if he is of Jedi faith or Eskimo ethnicity.

I hope my point came across this time.

I will open a thread in GHQ, not just about the poster in question, but the general theme of this thread as a whole and some problematic posts which I observed.

All the best, brother

 

[Vikki]

OIC is like Oh I see,
These french people making cartoon of Prophet MUHAMMAD (PBUH) and theses arabs dont condemn about this issue even they are showing sympathy to teacher who showed cartoon and abuse it.

THEY HAVE TO GIVE STRONG MASSAGE TO FRENCH GOVT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

Here is statement from so called Muslim ummah leader's:

RIYADH — The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has expressed the Kingdom’s strong condemnation of the terrorist attack that took place in a suburb of the French capital Paris, and claimed the life of a French citizen.

The Ministry expressed the Kingdom's solidarity with the French people, while offering condolences and sympathy to the victim's family, the French government and its people.

Saudi Arabia strongly condemns Paris terrorist attack

Saudi Arabia strongly condemns Paris terrorist attack

saudigazette.com.sa

So pakistanis are like shah se zyada shah ke wafadar in this case.
However as per my understanding this blasphemy thing is not so emotional to muslims outside of pakistan...I read apostasy is more serious in arab countries.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Bro I watched so many debate where people abuse ISLAM - I have no objection about freedom of speech but if some one make cartoon of OUR LAST PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) then there will be no resistance in TRUE MUSLIM - True MUSLIME will act bravely and impressively to cut the throat of maker/showing of cartoons .

Bro its not about Pakistani that teenager was not pakistani he was belong from soviet country. If you truly believer then you will react - nationality does not matters. Arab's count down has been started wait n watch.

Don't reply conspiracy theories of Indian trolls. No point. Just report and ignore.

 

[aryadravida]

If you dare go and talk to or attend Dr Naik's meetings to clarify your misconceptions about Islam. So may Hindus have had misconceptions and converted once Dr Naik spoke to them. I assume you have genuine thoughts and not some mental issue.

I have seen enough videos of that joker....and I don't need to listen to anyone to know abt islam as i am intelligent to read and understand it...i know more about islam than 99 percent of muslims as i have read extensively on it.
Anyway let's leave it at that

 

[khansaheeb]

I have seen enough videos of that joker....and I don't need to listen to anyone to know abt islam as i am intelligent to read and understand it...i know more about islam than 99 percent of muslims as i have read extensively on it.
Anyway let's leave it at that

Your head must be so big it probably gets stuck in the door opening. If you knew about Islam then you would be practicing it.

 

[PradoTLC]

Footage captures the moment Chechen gunman, 18, is shot by French police after BEHEADING a teacher who 'showed his class cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed during lesson on freedom'

• A teenager has beheaded a teacher in northern Paris for showing pictures of Prophet Mohammed in class
• The attack occurred in Conflans-Saint-Honorine, 25 miles from the city centre, before a police chase ensued
• Footage has been shared showing the moments the police caught up with the 18-year-old suspect on Friday
• In the video, the police are seen advancing down a street towards the suspect while holding their firearms
• The officers can be heard shouting at him to get on the ground before opening fire and killing him in the street

By PETER ALLEN IN PARIS and CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE and WIRES

PUBLISHED: 17:42 BST, 16 October 2020 | UPDATED: 02:25 BST, 17 October 2020

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Footage has been released of the moment a teenage Chechen gunman was shot by French police after beheading a teacher for showing his class cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.
The 18-year-old reportedly shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before attacking the teacher with a knife in a Paris suburb in broad daylight on Friday afternoon.
His victim was a 47-year-old middle school history teacher named as Samuel P, who had enraged parents by displaying cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed to pupils in a lesson on freedom of expression.
The suspect, whose identity has not been officially established, was shot by French officers as they tried to arrest him. He later died of his injuries, police said.
Four people, including a minor, have been arrested in connection with the incident, a judicial source told AFP early on Saturday. All were related to the assailant, the source added.
A video taken by a local resident shows the police arriving to attempt the arrest, ultimately leading to the shooting of the alleged assailant.
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Pictured: Teacher beheaded for showing cartoons of Prophet Mohammed

The French teacher who was beheaded by a suspected Islamist terrorist for showing his class cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed has been identified as Samuel Paty.

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what is the problem with these western infidels?... if some thing upset a large portion of humanity why do they insist on doing it?.

and please dont give us the crap about freedom of expression.. for jews you have made very special law concerning holocaust.. even though i think that is a complete farce.

 

[khansaheeb]

Unlike our lot , the west passed through a phase of reasoning and their views on religion and dogma have evolved. Except in pockets, most westerners consider themselves atheists.
Their is no compulsion on other races to relocate to evil France or other western countries. And you adroitly ignored the points i made. So i am out .

There is no compulsion on the French to relocate to other countries but they still do. Mali is the best example where French colonial repression is in full swing with daily massacre of poor natives. Anyway I can't speak for the French immigrants but I can for the British Immigrants. We as the second/third generation will not take sh!t from the British racist class however it manifests and we will not allow our children to be taught racist and Islamophobic content in the British curriculum.

 

[jamahir]

Stop replying to trolls.

That member seems to be unaware, that's why I corrected him.

You have misconceptions about Tabligh which I discussed with you earlier. No need to revisit.

Well, I will quote from Wiki for you which I had not done earlier, hence our continuing misunderstanding on this :

The U.S. Government has closely monitored Tablighi Jamaat since September 2001. This has revealed that there are no direct links between the organisation and Islamic terrorism, although Islamic terrorist organisations have recruited from them.

One of the terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook involved in the 2015 San Bernardino attack was a student of the teachings of Tablighi Jamaat.

Some of the terrorist involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack had stayed in the premises of the Tablighi Jamaat centre in New Delhi.

In February 2020, a counter-terrorism operation in Russia led to the arrest of seven Tablighis and dismantled the terrorist cell affiliated to the Tablighi Jamaat. According to Russian intelligence, the terrorist cell was involved in dissemination of materials and radicalization. The Tablighi Jamat was banned Russia since 2009.

Philip Haney described Tablighi Jamaat as a "trans-national Islamist network". The Tablighi Jamaat has been described as "a conduit and a fertile recruiting ground for jihadi organizations such as Al-Qaeda and Lashkar-i-Taiba".

According to Alex Alexiev, "perhaps 80% percent of the Islamist extremists have come from Tablighi ranks, prompting French intelligence officers to call Tablighi Jamaat the 'antechamber of fundamentalism'.

Tablighi members who have been charged with terrorism include: Zacarias Moussaoui (charged in the United States in the 11 September attacks), Hervé Djamel Loiseau (French citizen found in Afghanistan), and Djamel Beghal (Algerian-born French citizen and Al Qaeda member who was convicted of plotting to blow up the U.S. Embassy in Paris), Syed Rizwan Farook. In a foiled January 2008 bombing plot in Barcelona, Spain, "some media reports" stated that a Muslim leader in the city stated that the fourteen suspects arrested by police in a series of raids (where bomb-making materials were seized) were members of the Tablighi Jamaat. Other terrorist plots and attacks on civilians that members of Tablighi Jamaat have been connected with include the Portland Seven, the Lackawanna Six, the 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot, the 7/7 London bombings, the 2007 London car bombs, and 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack.

It is for good reason that the TJ has been banned in Russia and the Central Asian stan countries.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That member seems to be unaware, that's why I corrected him.



Well, I will quote from Wiki for you which I had not done earlier, hence our continuing misunderstanding on this :







It is for good reason that the TJ has been banned in Russia and the Central Asian stan countries.

Let us stay on topic brother.

Your head must be so big it probably gets stuck in the door opening. If you knew about Islam then you would be practicing it.

Do not even entertain them with a response. That comment you replied to is so cringey.