A small victory for China for now....

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thanks mate, Singaporean & Malaysian Chinese mostly feel the same too since we have relatives back in China. My ancestors were from Xiamen, there's still a cultural gap in some areas but with the generations getting more modernize I can see it closing up

Already I'm in Shanghai as we speak lol

I know how you feel my friend.

My parents are always talking about moving to Singapore, and I have visited Singapore and Malaysia many times, to visit relatives.

By the way, I was surprised to see that Singapore has a much higher GDP per capita, than even Hong Kong!!! You must be very proud of your country!

International Monetary Fund (2009) GDP per capita
1 Qatar 83,841
2 Luxembourg 78,395
3 Norway 52,561
4 Singapore 50,523
5 Brunei 49,110
6 United States 46,381
7 Switzerland 43,007
8 Hong Kong 42,748
8 Netherlands 39,938
9 Ireland 39,468
10 Australia 38,911

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[faithfulguy]

I know how you feel my friend.

My parents are always talking about moving to Singapore, and I have visited Singapore and Malaysia many times, to visit relatives.

By the way, I was surprised to see that Singapore has a much higher GDP per capita, than even Hong Kong!!! You must be very proud of your country!



List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is PPP, not the real stuff. PPP is fake, just like counting golf scores with handicaps.

 

[prototype]

well the place in question is international waters,if U.S withdrawn it's navy from there,it should b seen as a matter of respect by the american's to the Chinese rather than fear,what if u.s still stayed there,would china dare to attack U.S in international water as mentioned by some fellow Chinese members,then it is only inviting self obliteration,dont live in any kind of misconception,china is no match for U.S

 

[lunnn]

I'm not sure what you mean?

I don't care if carriers go into the Yellow Sea.... as long as they are in International waters I don't see the problem? Yes I am patriotic, I would like to see our Economy do well but I am not really that bothered if America sends carriers overseas, it's standard procedure anyway, it's been going on for decades.

In my city of Hong Kong, people were actually quite happy to see American Carriers docking here because the Navy personnel would come down and spend loads of money and have a friendly drink with the locals. The ones I have met seem very polite and well-mannered.

The Chinese government always makes noise about most issues, it's just standard procedure. They are just "fishing" to see how much leeway they can get. Carriers have been coming over to Asia for decades anyway.

Also if you don't mind me asking, how is the Republican campaign going with regards to the next Presidential election? Is there any frontrunner that you will be happy to see in charge?

Having a friendly visit to HK and a military exercise in the yellow sea are two different things.

Also to my understanding the ratio of Hongkong people treat themselvies as "Hongkong citizen" is still higher as " Chinese National".

 

[prototype]

Having a friendly visit to HK and a military exercise in the yellow sea are two different things.

Also to my understanding the ratio of Hongkong people treat themselvies as "Hongkong citizen" is still higher as " Chinese National".

but why?is there any matter of discontent between hong kong and main land china

 

[CardSharp]

but why?is there any matter of discontent between hong kong and main land china

Hardly. Integration was more successful than most people predicted. The CCP has pretty diligently held up its non-interference policy.

The mainland/hongkong distinction is one of hongkongers looking down on mainlanders lol... because of income level and the false pomp of their sorta britishness. Same type of thing happens with urban vs rural dweller in the mainland.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Hardly. Integration was more successful than most people predicted. The CCP has pretty diligently held up its non-interference policy.

You're right.

I grew up in Hong Kong, and almost everybody I knew was Pro-China.

Hong Kong people after all are Han descendants from the mainland. My ancestors for example came from Guangdong.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Also to my understanding the ratio of Hongkong people treat themselvies as "Hongkong citizen" is still higher as " Chinese National".

Read the article again, it shows the most popular option selected by Hongkongers to identify themselves was "a member of the Chinese race".

The identity of being "a part of the Chinese culture" is more important than the fact of being born in Hong Kong. That's basically what the polls are saying, and I agree.

 

[chauism]

Thanks mate, Singaporean & Malaysian Chinese mostly feel the same too since we have relatives back in China. My ancestors were from Xiamen, there's still a cultural gap in some areas but with the generations getting more modernize I can see it closing up

Already I'm in Shanghai as we speak lol

How do you like it in Shanghai? I have been living Shanghai for 7 years now. Great city.

 

[chauism]

Hey, you Chinese guys here are very patriotic. You love your country and want your leaders to represent that love of country to the outside world. Hence you want your leaders to complain about USA carriers in your back yard. Right? Well some of us Americans still love our country and we want a President who loves our country to represent us. Obama is a world citizen, not an American patriot. That's why the world likes him so much, but I don't.

Sorry to say this, but the world did not vote for Obama to be the POTUS, people in US did.

To me he is good for nothing except lip services. Anyways, I don't think the decision of the carrier group was made by him alone. It was made collectively by him, the Joint Chiefs, DOD and State secretary and other agency directors

 

[chauism]

This is PPP, not the real stuff. PPP is fake, just like counting golf scores with handicaps.

Rank Country US$
1 Luxembourg 105,319
2 Norway 79,090
3 Denmark 55,995
4 Ireland 51,055
5 Netherlands 47,918
6 United States 46,436
7 Austria 46,020
— Faroe Islands 44,857
8 Finland 44,495
9 Sweden 43,654
10 Belgium 43,429
11 France 42,312
12 Australia 42,279
13 Germany 40,873
14 Japan 39,727
15 Canada 39,599
16 Iceland 38,034
17 Singapore 36,534
18 United Kingdom 35,165
19 Italy 35,084
20 Spain 31,774

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the revised figuare. Look at Luxembourg, wow...

 

[Tshering22]

Well that reinforces a second Asian ocean that is in the hands of an Asian power. Good to know.

 

[Speeder 2]

Rank Country US$
1 Luxembourg 105,319
2 Norway 79,090
3 Denmark 55,995
4 Ireland 51,055
5 Netherlands 47,918
6 United States 46,436
7 Austria 46,020
— Faroe Islands 44,857
8 Finland 44,495
9 Sweden 43,654
10 Belgium 43,429
11 France 42,312
12 Australia 42,279
13 Germany 40,873
14 Japan 39,727
15 Canada 39,599
16 Iceland 38,034
17 Singapore 36,534
18 United Kingdom 35,165
19 Italy 35,084
20 Spain 31,774

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the revised figuare. Look at Luxembourg, wow...

a bit off topic here:

Well, I grew up in Benelux. Luxembourg's high income is souped up by its tax-haven practice IMO. Norway would be a better place.

I see Ned is #4 and Bel #10. Frankly, the living standards of these 2 are not as they look according to to the list. USA would be better for medium and high incomers, but only averaged out by massive low incomers from the south and inland.

Ned & Bel are basically socialist countreis since many really good jobs there (e.g. investment banking, etc) only earn fractional higher than probably a head waiter of a top restaurant ( basic salary level), or some good taxi drivers, seriously! Of course CEOs alikes earn much higher there, but so are in other countries. e.g. my best friend's Dad is CEO for more than a decade of a mid sized Dutch firm which quoted on the stock exchange. His house is not far from my parents'. His living standard is quite high in Holland. But his housing, etc are just comparable to a decent middle-class in the states.

The problem of Nederlands and Belgium is that they are good places if one is an average or below average person (then he/she would got lifted by social benefits, etc); they are worse places than even China, relatively speaking, if one's capability is more than or especially much more than the average.

 

[mike05]

How do you like it in Shanghai? I have been living Shanghai for 7 years now. Great city.

Love it (except the hot weather damn its hot!). Still getting used to crossing the road though lol

I Love what the govt did to the part near the Pearl of the Orient, that circular overhead bridge is amazing.

 

[CardSharp]

Well, I grew up in Benelux. Luxembourg's high income is souped up by its tax-haven practice IMO.

I was going to say, this skews the income dramatically upward.

Ned & Bel are basically socialist countreis since many really good jobs there (e.g. investment banking, etc) only earn fractional higher than probably a head waiter of a top restaurant ( basic salary level), or some good taxi drivers, seriously! Of course CEOs alikes earn much higher there, but so are in other countries. e.g. my best friend's Dad is CEO for more than a decade of a mid sized Dutch firm which quoted on the stock exchange. His house is not far from my parents'. His living standard is quite high in Holland. But his housing, etc are just comparable to a decent middle-class in the states.

That is nuts... you think that if you worked in the financial sector, bonuses would become a significant part of your income.