A religious question

[Kadamba]

Just for sharing information wanted to highlight some similar beliefs/concepts in hinduism and islam.

In Islam, God's personality is not definable, such a pursuit is considered impossible as to figure that out would be a degree of divinity that Islam accords to none except Allah.Other than that, there are certain attributes that are accorded to him due to his omnipotence which may be contradictory to us.

At spiritual level (According to vedas and upanishads) there is only one Universal being (Brahman) which is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and incomprehensible to common man without spiritual enlightment.

As they say, God created everything including good and evil, you may wonder why god created evil, but you may never reach that answer. You may choose to be angry with God on that but its another exercise in futility since your anger does no harm to God.

There is a concept called "Virodh bhakti" in hinduism. In virodha bhakti you are so obsessed with hating the deity (Krishna in case of Kansa) that you cannot forget the deity even for a second and keep on remembering in order to hate.

The Quran mentions 99 attributes of Allah, which we call 99 names of Allah (apart from Allah). Where he is described as Ar-Rahman (Most Beneficient) and Ar-Raheem (most Merciful), he is also described as Al Jabbar (The Compeller) and Al Qahhar (The subduer).

Vishnu Sahasra Nama (Thousand Names of lord Vishnu) reveals thousand characteristics of Supreme Being.

He should be loved unconditionally, but its not like Allah is keeping score of all of your human shortcomings and waiting go violent on you. He's forgiving.

sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah (Bhagavad gita)

Meaning:
Abandon all varieties of religious activities and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.

 

[pmukherjee]

string theory is a work in progress and there are many bersions of it without much scientific proof..so lets put it aside.
none of what you say negates the existence of a divine being...in fact its more logical to beleive that somebodu up there made all this and looking after all this.....
you wont beleive me if i tell you a tooth pick factory came into existence on its own and is functioning on its own..
we are talking about extremely complex stuf...singularity and black holes which is definately more complex than a tooth pick factory.

Never denied the existence of a divine being buddy, Read my first post, I just have objections to us human beings called the epitome of God's creation. I believe that God's creation is work in progress and that man is evolving, all creation is evolving. We give ourselves far too much credit by assuming that we are the most sublime of all creation. Humans will evolve into something else in a couple of hundred thousand years. I don't believe that God and evolution are mutually exclusive.

 

[Awesome]

Asim Bhai,
how can both (bolded part) be true at a time? Even though i agree with the underlined part.

The Quran is a compilation of Allah's words and only 99 names of attributes have been given. Even still you can't understand how these 99 attributes work together... What makes God move from one attribute to the other? It is my belief, Hinduism created thousands of avatars to explain this one god - as I understand Hindus also believe in the existence of just one god, just various avatars of him.

It is my belief you can't figure out God, but you can pursue a type of relationship with God that you want it to be. Everyone also gets the type of God that they deserve.

 

[Awesome]

Just for sharing information wanted to highlight some similar beliefs/concepts in hinduism and islam.



At spiritual level (According to vedas and upanishads) there is only one Universal being (Brahman) which is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and incomprehensible to common man without spiritual enlightment.



There is a concept called "Virodh bhakti" in hinduism. In virodha bhakti you are so obsessed with hating the deity (Krishna in case of Kansa) that you cannot forget the deity even for a second and keep on remembering in order to hate.



Vishnu Sahasra Nama (Thousand Names of lord Vishnu) reveals thousand characteristics of Supreme Being.



sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah (Bhagavad gita)

Meaning:
Abandon all varieties of religious activities and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.

I wrote the above post without reading this one. In my interactions with Hindus, I've concluded the same thing. Although again I would consider Islam's approach better, where attributes are accorded to Allah than distinct mythical avatars are believed in by Hindus. This I say only to answer VCheng's question on why existence of distinct religions, otherwise to each their own.

 

[Safriz]

yes.....hindutwa has excellent concepts of the omnipotent god and not much different from islam.
but on ours we HAVE to seek our Allah's forgiveness as per the teachings of our Prophet (PBUH) ... and there is no other way...
thats why islam starts with two phrases.
There is no God except Allah
Muhaamad(PBUH) is Allah's prophet.

one cannot be a muslim unless they have beleif in both.

 

[Kadamba]

Islam's approach better, where attributes are accorded to Allah than distinct mythical avatars are believed in by Hindus.

I agree to disagree.

yes.....hindutwa has excellent concepts of the omnipotent god and not much different from islam.but on ours we HAVE to seek our Allah's forgiveness as per the teachings of our Prophet (PBUH) ... and there is no other way...thats why islam starts with two phrases.
There is no God except Allah Muhaamad(PBUH) is Allah's prophet.

one cannot be a muslim unless they have beleif in both.

to each their own.

Agree.

Ye Yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaivabhajamy aham
mama vartmanuvartante manusyah partha sarvasah

(Bhagawad gita (Chapter 4 : Sloka 11 : LORD KRISHNA TO ARJUNA)

MEANING: In whatever (manner) they approach me, in the same manner I reward them.
o Partha, human beings follow my path in every way.

 

[Kompromat]

There is no mockery intended in my posts, please rest assured. Like I have said to AM before, we may be on different paragraphs, but we are on the same page.

Good.

That is my understanding too.

I do not believe you are a zealot; I used that term for others here (and elsewhere).

Understand.

The second part of my question relates to harmony amongst humanity, given that we agree that there are more than one paths to salvation. We all should be able to live on this planet harmoniously.

1:Islam promotes harmony , let me give you examples , Fateh Makkah [Quranic Revelation] ordered to forgive everyone , even those who stoned Prophet SAW , Kept him and his followers in Isolation for 3 years in Shayeb-e-Abi-talib , killed his associates and family members [Ameer Humza R.A].

2: Sultan Sallahuddin Ayobi is forced to act after repetitive attacks on pilgrims and violations of the treaty with the King of Jerusalem. He enters the city victorious [on the anniversary of Sidrat-ul-muntaha'] - forgives everyone , asks Christians , Muslims and Jews to share the same building for prayer - something these western "liberal" democracies wont be able to do even today.

Islam protects its minorities , and promotes integration with respect to one's individual belief structure. Islamic era in India and Spain are evident of that , there is no one who could deny it.

On the end note , a "True" Muslim [i don't believe in moderate or extremist theory] would be tolerant , respectful , integrative , spacious in his heart and would let others live by their order of life and peaceful Coexistence. See its not us Muslims who are occupying Kashmir and Palestine , who committed atrocities in Chechnya , Afghanistan , Iraq , Bosnia , Kosovo , its not us being intolerant its the others who simply cant come to terms with our existence.

 

[VCheng]

.................... a "True" Muslim............... would be tolerant , respectful , integrative , spacious in his heart and would let others live by their order of life and peaceful Coexistence. ....................

Very well said!

 

[Sinnerman108]

Nobody said being faithful would be easy. The story of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his child clearly proves the demand is to love him more than even your child.

The thing is, in Islam, Allah is described as more loving than the love of a mother x 70 for the humankind. So your inadequacy of loving him unconditionally may not precisely disbar you from heaven.

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How? Sounds like a tangent, but I'll hear it.

See, Lets assume I adopt Islam,
This implies that I believe Islam is the right path to God and life after.
If I have adopted Islam as my religion then as per my honest understanding all other religions are not correct.
Thus as a servant to Islam, I shall make all decisions and ensure my way of life and environment is conducive to Islam.

In turn that would mean that I can not be secular, and this also implies that there will be ideological friction.

 

[LaBong]

string theory is a work in progress and there are many bersions of it without much scientific proof..so lets put it aside.
none of what you say negates the existence of a divine being...in fact its more logical to beleive that somebodu up there made all this and looking after all this.....
you wont beleive me if i tell you a tooth pick factory came into existence on its own and is functioning on its own..
we are talking about extremely complex stuf...singularity and black holes which is definately more complex than a tooth pick factory.

Science doesn't try to negate the existence of God, God is a non-entity for Science. Burden of proof is on religious people as they claim a super natural being exists.

 

[sreekimpact]

got one question ?

does islam follows the same theory of Adam and Eve,in bible as the ancestors of human race??

 

[Safriz]

got one question ?

does islam follows the same theory of Adam and Eve,in bible as the ancestors of human race??

yes similar...
Adam was the first human...then Hawwa (eve)...both were evicted from heavens...and sent to earth.

 

[sreekimpact]

ok ....then how quran describes their generation.....i mean how they evolve ?? like their sons, daughters etc...

did they marry their sisters / mother?

 

[Safriz]

your question will take the thread into gutter....so i will stop replying....sometimes its better to use your mind instead of asking questions

 

[sreekimpact]

ok... where can i find the answer for this question ... i mean outside this forum ??