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A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan

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Hain ji ?

I have a better option why not ask people who love there what they want? Why not let them vote for thsir own future? Like it happened in hong kong and cremia?

Just let me vote for my future and piss off. If u wont let me then die by my hands and my brothers hands and keep sending ur sons and brothers and fathers to kashmir to get butchered by us. Simple

Our land our decision. Piss off occupier scum

Is the Pakistani Establishment prepared to fight a nuclear war to take Kashmir ? :)

Please be practical.

My solution will solve the Kashmir issue automatically by bringing the same progressive system to both India and Pakistan. Please read the OP again.

There is a thing called human rights i hold my rights. You bring force and gunz so be it die at our hands everyday everynight

I have the human rights of Kashmiris in mind which is why I mentioned things like disappearances and the Kunan-Poshpora incident in later posts.
 
This is the sentiment post the Pandit massacre in 1990 that hardened Indian resolve across all states.

It mainstreamed Kashmir in a way the past 40+ years of conflict did not.

If you think a country of 200 million can tell a country of 1.3 billion to piss off, you will only find incredulous amusement.
But they have China to support.

- PRTP GWD
 
You guys know only one response you keep sending your sons and fathers and brothers to kashmir and we keep killing them.

If you have back bone pick up a gun and come and take kashmir. I'm waitimg in the front row. We kashmiriz kill indian scum day and night. Plz do come if you think you are on the right path.

If you think you can forcefully take what is someone else's come to kahsmir amd fight us kashmiriz if not then keep sending ur brothers and fathers and sons. We have plenty to kill more than 750,000 here. In our land
I like your angry rants though.
 
So you admit you're brown and little.

And the Jovan Musk ittar?





And proud........:lol:

Tell me, does that now make dark skinned dravidian south indians into Persians just because they follow Zorastrianism as you keep claiming?...........:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

White Aryan Germans and Congolese Black Africans are both Roman Catholic. Are they the same race because they share the same religion?..........:lol:

You are an indian, NOT Persian. Persians are modern day Iranians who have 0 DNA, genetic or racial connections to indians like yourself. You may fantasize that you do but you don't. About time you replaced the flag in your avatar with the indian flag or the dravidian one........:azn:
 
I like your angry rants though.
Come and see my and my brothers work sometime in kashmir. You will like my actions more than my "rants";)

Hold a vote if you dare or keep dying. We can do this forever we are muslim we never give up our rights and freedom.

Be it Indian occupier or be it someone else. We stand and we fight till our last breath.

Fight goes on. Another day in kashmir.
 
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A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan
Written by: Jamahir
Category cloud: Opinion, analysis

India and Pakistan need to settle the long, sad but frankly immature dispute over Kashmir once and for all. Peacefully and politically. Both have similar social, economic and political problems so any nuanced and generic solution for one country can also be used by the other country. The prescribed solution by the UNO is impractical. As it involves, as far as I understand, India withdrawing military units stationed in India-administered Kashmir and then arranging for a plebiscite there while also accepting the UNO as a mediator. But the Indian Establishment believes, as also its foreign allies, that India-administered Kashmir is primarily a matter internal to India but since Pakistan cannot be wished away the matter should involve both countries settling the matter between themselves, peacefully and politically. But any such settlement should benefit both the countries immediately and in the long term.

Therefore I present one solution as below. The solution is based on Muammar Gaddafi's solution for Kashmir to which I have added some bits.

1. Both countries should adopt the same Progressive political system. Two separate, independent republics but with the same political system, much like what pre-2003 Iraq and Syria were with their same Ba'athist systems. The Progressive political system can be the Direct Democracy Socialism system that governed Libya until the 2011 war. Readers can refer to these pages to understand how this system works. This system is called the Third Universal Theory aka Jamahiriya theory. In India, a form of Direct Democracy called Swaraj is being implemented in Delhi by the ruling AAP party and is also being forwarded by the Swaraj Abhiyan movement and there is no reason why it cannot be extended to Pakistan as well.

2. Let Indian-administered Kashmir and Pakistani-administered Kashmir remain with their respective countries.

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3. Convert the LoC into an International Border that is accessible for trade, tourism and family visits.

All this will make the separatists in India-administered Kashmir to understand that their desire to join Pakistan-administered Kashmir is unnecessary because both countries will have become the same, politically.

Furthermore, with separatist militancy reduced in Indian-administered Kashmir, what will remain is regressive religious militancy or activism which can be controlled and removed with social support by progressives among the local population. The side effect will also be a drastic removal of the current military force which will lead to more goodwill for the peace project.
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I speak of the troubles and concerns of Muslims in Indian Kashmir and I will also speak of the troubles and concerns of the Kashmiri Pundit refugees. There must be something like Nelson Mandela's Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I would like the refugee Kashmiri Pandits to be allowed to return back to the Valley.

The next step would be resumption of the Aman Ki Asha peace mission as well as resumption of food and clothing festivals to be organized in both countries.

If not for such a solution, how long would the Establishments of India and Pakistan keep up with this cross-border hate? For another 50 years? 100? Until a reformed UNO decides to send in a military arbitrator force? And would the people of both countries not like the money and other resources spent by their respective militaries in positioning against each other to be spent on making each others countries a welfare state where there are things like high quality free medical system like in Cuba?

An important point is that the given solution will not only benefit the Kashmiri's but also will bring progress to India and Pakistan - socially, economically and politically.

Lastly, to extend a point about direct democracy socialism, It worked in Libya and it is being implemented in Venezuela ( the consejos comunales - communal councils ). Two different kinds of countries, ethnically and geographically. No reason why India and Pakistan cannot adopt the system given the fact that both countries have so much in common. And just Direct Democracy without the socialism part has been the system in Switzerland for long.

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Disclaimer: The post only represents writer's own point of views. The post do not represent point of views of Pakistan Defence management. Pakistan Defence Team will not be responsible for disagreements.
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Credits: The post is written by Jamahir, India. The proof reading and some other editing has been done by Think Tank Analyst, Forcetrip. The final formatting, editing and picture uploading is done by Slav Defence., Think Tank Vice Chairman.

I stopped reading after the first point.
You just ripped apart the fundamental principles as to which these States were born and run on currently.
It did a 180 from probability to alternative history, if Pakistan's principle is taken away then there very well be no Kashmir problem.
If you take away India's Principle of United Super state you very well have given no purpose to the current Kashmir problem.
 
Come and see my and my brothers work sometime in kashmir. You will like my actions more than my "rants";)

Hold a vote if you dare or keep dying. We can do this forever we are muslim we never give up our rights and freedom.

Be it Indian occupier or be it someone else. We stand and we fight till our last breath.

Fight goes on. Another day in kashmir.
So, you are happy with what's going on?
Love you man.

- PRTP GWD

:lol::lol::lol:
 
My brown little photo will not make parsis who are dark skinned dravidian south indians into Persians as you keep fantasizing about............:lol:

REAL Persians are modern day Iranian Muslims. Tell these REAL Persians that dark skinned dravidian south indians who are parsis are also Persian. See what the response would be..........:azn:..........:lol:

It's about time you changed the flag in your Avatar to the symbol of the dravidian indian race, not the Persian one you keep fantasize about belonging too.......:lol:

Brother, what is your obsession with a person's skin color ? Tell me, have Nordic-White Pakistanis managed to have a space station floating 400 kms above our heads ? :)

And below is a good-looking dark-skinned person, Milind Soman, from @padamchen's state. Soman was quite a famous model in the 90s :

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These peaceniks will be butchered first.

By both sides.

This is no time to straddle a fence.

Some civilians like @Foxtrot Delta and some former military men like G.D.Bakshi may be vociferous but the Establishments are more practical.
 
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I may have replied seriously if he was serious but believe me fck off scumbags is not a serious proposal.


@Cliftonite What should be a serious response to this?


Sorry my sympathy is with Foxtrot. The Kashmiris have been suffering for 30 years since 1989, some even say 73 years since 1947. Just read some of the atrocities of the Indian army. Kashmiri women raped on their wedding nights to tame them into submission by Indian soldiers. The Uyghur issue is relatively recent.

You can keep allying with racist middle aged Islamophobes on this board to look more Indian. Just know they'll sell you out in a jiffy.
 

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