A Parting Gift to all North Indians and Western Indians

[salarsikander]

Jai Chand means TRAITOR

We never asked him to insult Pakistanis

We only Pointed out and RIGHTLY so that he was BIASED in Favour of Pakistanis

Wrong, totally wrong on all accounts. I have had so many debates with him. Where we would end up going in circles, that guy sure did give me a run for his vast superior knowledge. At times, I wasn't able to counter argue with him.

As much as I loved his writing style and the way he argued, I still have deep respect for him. Though, if he comes back, IN SHA ALLAH he will, I will still go on to chase him after the threads.

It's. very nice to have healthy debates and learn something new every once in awhile.
Guys learn to act mature. If you cant handle an opinion then at least dont insult it by calling names and all. And yes, he articulately defended India when I had debates with him and made me go silent

 

[he-man]

The very fact that he had 12000 + posts without a single negative rating and 70+ positive ratings is enough to demonstrate that he was a darling of the pakistanis. He was very generous in giving negative ratings left right and center to the Indians. Only recently when people statrted calling out his hypocricy did he somewhat slowed don his negative ratings. Even then I believe 60-70% of his negative ratings will be against Indians. It did not help that majority of inidans here are right wing nationalists which he hated

By that yardstick i am the no 1 indian here

 

[salarsikander]

he was not randomly called that. It is not an insult you throw around lightly. He was called Jai Chand because of his words and actions

Does it matter ?

Just because a guy doesn't agree to your Over- nationalistic view doesn't mean he is Chand wala whatever that shit is.

It is sad that every day we see BJP workers over nationalistic view is bringing more harm to India than any good

By that yardstick i am the no 1 indian here

I Know right. How can we forget you. The most troublemaker indian we have around. Though I have seen you here lately. Good to see you back.

Happy troublemaking

 

[he-man]

Does it matter ?

Just because a guy doesn't agree to your Over- nationalistic view doesn't mean he is Chand wala whatever that shit is.

It is sad that every day we see BJP workers over nationalistic view is bringing more harm to India than any good


I Know right. How can we forget you. The most troublemaker indian we have around. Though I have seen you here lately. Good to see you back.

Happy troublemaking

If u have seen my posts u would know better,,no disrespect to anyone but i never got personal with anyone here,,,,i only argued in defence sections and not stupid political discussions.On the contrary my negatives reflect the stupidity of the people who gave me those.

 

[salarsikander]

If u have seen my posts u would know better,,no disrespect to anyone but i never got personal with anyone here,,,,i only argued in defence sections and not stupid political discussions.On the contrary my negatives reflect the stupidity of the people who gave me those.

But it's fun to fight man. Trust me our relationship with Indians here is like that of Batman and Joker.

JOE Shearer while Talking to Pakistanis

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JOE shearer while Talking to INDIANS

See this reflects your inability to respond in a more subtle and mature manner

 

[he-man]

But it's fun to fight man. Trust me our relationship with Indians here is like that of Batman and Joker.

99 pc of forumers seem to be too stupid and naive to argue,be it indian or pakistanis.Subcontinent people just are not mature enough to understand the certain realities and that would stay this way.This forum has really degraded,used to be military focussed but its just a news/social/political forum now full of clowns from both sides of border.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

See this reflects your inability to respond in a more subtle and mature manner

You need to read Joe Shearer's posts when he went ALL Guns BLAZING
against Indians

And the ONLY reason was : His Party the bloody CPM is getting Irrelevant

We Indians are very political people

So he abused and insulted us Rightists in every possible manner
" showing off " his powers off Negative ratings

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Look good or bad , Joe sir is a part of a diaspora representing a view .. some may agree some may not.. we may call it leftist rightist anything else as well.. but then its such rich differences which leads to different voices opinions and most importantly a way to discuss multiple views..

I as a person know I may not have the holistic 360 view.. so I need to hear such opinions.. I may agree disagree but that's what keeps me sane when I hear such opinions bcz it allows me to understand the issues better..

I won't say Joe sir was too harsh but Joe sir is an angry young man even when he has just touched 66 years few days back. To me when I hear his words even though it's harsh, I take it with a spirit that may be a fatherly figure scolded me. It may be strange but no one knows I got a earful from him when I write anything inaccurate, wrong and something whuch may have a political vendetta of distortion.

Of course his anger at times gets better of him and i am sure Joe sir will say with honesty it's one thing which he would have marked for his own self improvement. We are human beings, one of the most intelligent life forms and we thrive to constantly evolve and become better.

Having said that I won't lie at times debates turns a bit too hot headed, I for one was hoping a Indian moderator would have been good to moderate and maintain some semblance in this so that every opinion is heard but not quashed. We may rationally and logically be at loggerheads but still we should respect and hear each others opinion out. After all it's one of the pillars of democracy at its very root level.

And that is why it's a very sad day for me when I read both Sir Gary and Joe Sir leaving in such a short time.

I wish he comes back , a man with a little more calmness and a lot more spirited .. so that such discussion and debate can continue.. but devoid of the anger both sides are feeling atm.. we might miss a solid chance to know more about our country if Joe sir decides to quit forever.

People may not have noticed but @AUSTERLITZ is also lot more busy nowadays. It takes away sheen and brilliance of this wide Indian diaspora which deals in so many interesting topics..

I hope we don't lose out such voices and opinions..i really hope so..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Look good or bad , Joe sir is a part of a diaspora representing a view .. some may agree some may not.. we may call it leftist rightist anything else as well.. but then its such rich differences which leads to different voices opinions and most importantly a way to discuss multiple views..

I as a person know I may not have the holistic 360 view.. so I need to hear such opinions.. I may agree disagree but that's what keeps me sane when I hear such opinions bcz it allows me to understand the issues better..

I won't say Joe sir was too harsh but Joe sir is an angry young man even when he has just touched 66 years few days back. To me when I hear his words even though it's harsh, I take it with a spirit that may be a fatherly figure scolded me. It may be strange but no one knows I got a earful from him when I write anything inaccurate, wrong and something whuch may have a political vendetta of distortion.

Of course his anger at times gets better of him and i am sure Joe sir will say with honesty it's one thing which he would have marked for his own self improvement. We are human beings, one of the most intelligent life forms and we thrive to constantly evolve and become better.

Having said that I won't lie at times debates turns a bit too hot headed, I for one was hoping a Indian moderator would have been good to moderate and maintain some semblance in this so that every opinion is heard but not quashed. We may rationally and logically be at loggerheads but still we should respect and gear each others opinion out. After all uts one of the pillars of democracy at its very root level.

And that is why it's a very sad day for me when I read both Sir Gary and Joe Sir leaving in such a short time.

I wish he comes back , a man with a little more calmness and a lot more spirited .. so that such discussion and debate can continue.. but devoid of the anger both sides are feeling atm.. we might miss a solid chance to know more about our country if Joe sir decides to quit forever.

People may not have noticed but @AUSTERLITZ is also lot more busy nowadays. It takes away sheen and brilliance of this wide Indian diaspora which deals in so many interesting topics..

I hope we don't lose out such voices and opinions..i really hope so..

We can dis agree with each other but what is the need to get abusive
and indulge in personal attacks and insults

A simple statement that --I DO NOT Agree with you -- is more than enough

All the fights FEATURING Joe Shearer here were started by Him

The others just retaliated ; And since we Rightists are in Bigger number here
he was over whelmed

At any point of time
One OR the Other Rightist was ALWAYS sparring with him ; wearing him down

If he comes back ; the Battles will only resume and get worse

The power to award Negative Ratings went to his head

And he insulted EVERY New Indian member who chose to oppose him and Argue with him

For him a NEW INDIAN member means a " Kid " -- what Nonsense

Several people who are well experienced in real life join this forum at a later age

Every new member is NOT a Teenager

If u have seen my posts u would know better,,no disrespect to anyone but i never got personal with anyone here,,,,i only argued in defence sections and not stupid political discussions.On the contrary my negatives reflect the stupidity of the people who gave me those.

ALL those BANS have mellowed you down

 

[he-man]

ALL those BANS have mellowed you down

I just don't argue for the sake of other party,few had the capacity to spar with me without banning or giving a negative.I did not know shearer but i am guessing i would have got a few negatives from that man too.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I just don't argue for the sake of other party,few had the capacity to spar with me without banning or giving a negative.I did not know shearer but i am guessing i would have got a few negatives from that man too.

You would have driven him CRAZY ; I missed you several times

But he had a Hotline with the mods ; for the mods he was their " Special man "
he would have got you banned

 

[Spectre]

Coming back to the OP

I keep hearing in every single Article the same old rhetoric

- Delhi does not understand Kashmir

What should Delhi understand is never elaborated on

- Delhi does not come up with solutions

Solutions are also never suggested. Just the word Solution is not a solution in itself

- Delhi brutalized the Kashmiris

Don't the insurgents realize they are gonna be countered. You can't start a fire and hope your house doesn't burn. They want to attack the enforcement agencies and then in return expect cakes and flowers from them? No!

- Delhi is not sympathetic to the plight of Kashmiris

Not sympathetic? Look at how Pakistan deals with insurgents - Tanks and Fighter Jets, Look at how China deals with them - Forceful homogenization and yes, tanks. Look at how US dealt with the south.

A country cannot leak territories - if so then it would lead to eventual dismemberment. We have tried maximum restraint. Given them maximum autonomy, They have democratic elections where they elect who they please. They get maximum resources for development. They don't get white phosphorus, they dont get tanks rolling over their dead bodies nor F-16s bombing the shiet out of them

Still it is good we have our bleeding hearts, a country needs all sorts of people but everyone should realize there is no space - not even an inch for those who want to break up India.

To quote the much maligned cliche - sympathizers of those who want Kashmir to be independent or Join Pakistan

Should go to Pakistan themselves and permanently stay there.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

We can dis agree with each other but what is the need to get abusive
and indulge in personal attacks and insults

A simple statement that --I DO NOT Agree with you -- is more than enough

All the fights FEATURING Joe Shearer here were started by Him

The others just retaliated ; And since we Rightists are in Bigger number here
he was over whelmed

At any point of time
One OR the Other Rightist was ALWAYS sparring with him ; wearing him down

If he comes back ; the Battles will only resume and get worse

The power to award Negative Ratings went to his head

My good friend the negative ratings gets reversed by a simple request to the moderators provided it does nt violate any forum rules.

You may feel he is harsh to only one side but you can check with moderators there are more folks of Pakistan complaining about Joe sir than most Indians..

If you folks really believe that Joe sir was using the hammer of rating a but unjustifiably, you should point the same in GHQ. I am sure folks would talk to him and point out the issues.

Heck even I have complains against me and folks have asked me for explanation and in fact reversed few of my ratings I gave as well. It's part of the process where any unjustified rating can be reversed.

Having said that I don't disagree and I said before Joe sir would like to improve his anger management skills surely just like may be me as well..

Lol just 2nights back I gt called son of a snitch for pointing to a fellow indian that you are using two ids which is against forum rules and asking mods to investigate.. heck so name calling is pretty common. Look at this gem

Congratulations on being assigned to ISI to spy on Indians. Have you been invited to dawoods nephews wedding yet ? I used to think that you only leaked MoD secretes in pdf, but to discover you have a specialized role in trying to "expose" Indians is a real treat.

Even to him and his friend I said the same that if you find me being offensive pls have a discussion with the management. Bcz that's a right you all have been granted.

If the views of the house proves it's excessive, I am sure powers will be repealed. It's as simple as that. But without him now there is no so called leftist as you said and in my words a different opinion anymore available. So we don't have checks and balances and have lost a way of the same.

Now are we not the ones who are the losers?

 

[he-man]

Coming back to the OP

I keep hearing in every single Article the same old rhetoric

- Delhi does not understand Kashmir

What should Delhi understand is never elaborated on

- Delhi does not come up with solutions

Solutions are also never suggested. Just the word Solution is not a solution in itself

- Delhi brutalized the Kashmiris

Don't the insurgents realize they are gonna be countered. You can't start a fire and hope your house doesn't burn. They want to attack the enforcement agencies and then in return expect cakes and flowers from them? No!

- Delhi is not sympathetic to the plight of Kashmiris

Not sympathetic? Look at how Pakistan deals with insurgents - Tanks and Fighter Jets, Look at how China deals with them - Forceful homogenization and yes, tanks. Look at how US dealt with the south.

A country cannot leak territories - if so then it would lead to eventual dismemberment. We have tried maximum restraint. Given them maximum autonomy, They have democratic elections where they elect who they please. They get maximum resources for development. They don't get white phosphorus, they dont get tanks rolling over their dead bodies nor F-16s bombing the shiet out of them

Still it is good we have our bleeding hearts, a country needs all sorts of people but everyone should realize there is no space - not even an inch for those who want to break up India.

To quote the much maligned cliche - sympathizers of those who want Kashmir to be independent or Join Pakistan

Should go to Pakistan themselves and permanently stay there.

The situation is pretty simple.Most are radicalized muslim sunnis and they want jihad to join pakisan or exist as a muslim state and possibly implement sharia law.Rest is all mumbo jumbo and bullshit of the highest order.

But they got it all wrong,they wont get anything.They can do what they want but land aint going anywhere.

 

[Spectre]

The situation is pretty simple.Most are radicalized muslim sunnis and they want jihad to join pakisan or exist as a muslim state and possibly implement sharia law.Rest is all mumbo jumbo and bullshit of the highest order.

But they got it all wrong,they wont get anything.They can do what they want but land aint going anywhere.

And there in lies the dilemma of Delhi - we can't give the insurgents what they want. The very idea of India is antithetic to Hindu or Muslim or Sikh or Christian State. What holds India together

- We dont have a common language
- We dont have a common culture
- We dont have a common ancestry or race as it is called
- We dont have a common religion

What holds us together is our shared ideals - which are enshrined in our constitution. The same constitution which says Kashmir is an integral part of India. Even the constitution of J&K which derives its powers from Constitution of India ratifies this

Preamble of Constitution of J&K :

Article 3 of Constitution of Jammu and Kashmir: