A ‘Muslim Union’ is the need of the hour

[timetravel]

I think thats what people said about China

When I said the education was free I OBVIOUSLY meant for THEIR people....the expats are NEVER a part of the country...Even me being in EU I dont automatically get ANY rights! seriously, why the double standards? However, atleast in middle East expats get free to subsidized medical care....nowhere to be found for "expats" in the EU..you need to buy your own insurance plan...

China GDP per capita is just 6000. I do not think its comparable to the GDP per capita of ME countries.

For you ME may be better for expats. But the discussion is not about where the expats are better off, in EU or ME.

And to your point ME cannot continue with its welfare schemes if they accept citizenship like EU does.

and dont you think you should be thankful to EU to give you and your children the right to be their citizen once you have stayed there and worked for their region?

ME only cares about money and the work that an expat can do. They will never give citizenship even if someone and his next 10 generations are born in their country.

 

[Dubious]

I said money is important to everyone.

A Muslim will not give away his wealth freely to others. That does not mean he is respecting money more then religion.

And an Indian or a Jew will? REALLY? Well Indians are known to spend the least while it is well known about the Jews and money...

China GDP per capita is just 6000. I do not think its comparable to the GDP per capita of ME countries.

For you ME may be better for expats. But the discussion is not about where the expats are better off, in EU or ME.

Well you were comparing Qatari expats with EU nationals!

 

[queerbait]

Yet we prefer China over our neighbours *cough* *cough* And our neighbours prefer I dont know anything from Israel to America
Take out certain agencies from ALL of the countries then we will see WHOSE funding which fight!

Not really FAR FETCHED...greed maybe a problem but EU wasnt built overnight! Do you think all the countries in EU are actually I dont know multi BILLIONAIRES? Many are agriculturally involved, others have "SMALL DEVELOPED" SECTIONS...many still suffer corruptions (Does Greece need to be dragged everywhere?)

I dont know why when people see EU they overlook: GREECE, BULGARIA, CZECK republic, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA ??


Well that is not very much of a problem...Do you think all EU heads nod at EVERYTHING?


was this a joke? From the pope in Italy to the naked beaches of Sweden...yea I see their laws all same!



I dont know why when people see EU they overlook: GREECE, BULGARIA, CZECK republic, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA ??

I tried to give you perfectly logical reasons why such an alliance is impractical, let me just address you objections :

1. Nobody has overlooked greece, but the fact remains that all E.U countries are at par in terms of PCI,while muslim nations have Huge gap in them.

2. IF that happens or this happens, if suddenly a fairies tomorrow waives her wand and all agencies disappear, and everyone is suddenly best chums. C'mon be realistic.

3. What i meant by law was that agree at the fundamentals,for ex the concept of human rights is vastly different in that of turkey from lets say Saudi arabia.

 

[Dubious]

I tried to give you perfectly logical reasons why such an alliance is impractical, let me just address you objections :

1. Nobody has overlooked greece, but the fact remains that all E.U countries are at par in terms of PCI,while muslim nations have Huge gap in them.

How sure are you?

2. IF that happens or this happens, if suddenly a fairies tomorrow waives her wand and all agencies disappear, and everyone is suddenly best chums. C'mon be realistic.

Well the thread is also A MUSLIM UNION IS THE NEED OF THE HOUR not it HAS HAPPENED or MIGHT HAPPEN tomorrow...Obviously IF it happens, there are alot of things to work on

3. What i meant by law was that agree at the fundamentals,for ex the concept of human rights is vastly different in that of turkey from lets say Saudi arabia.

And what about Italian pope to nudists of Sweden or even a NORMAL South European to any Nordic region! Check out their differences!

People at least bother getting out of your bedroom or apartment before giving opinions at global level...No it is NOT ENOUGH to just read a paper...You need to live abroad to actually know ground realities! Maybe in India the paper never lies but here the paper definitely evades the truth or shows only the better half of the picture!

 

[timetravel]

But Muslim Unity is for the sake of Islam. Will they not be ready to part with even some of their conveniences and money for the sake of it?

No they wont part with their money for free.

Go look at the condition of the labour workers (mostly muslims) who live in ME. Even if 0.05% of the ME wealth is spent on those workers they can live a decent life.

But the reality is that those workers are given the BARE MINIMUM possible money to lead their life. No one cares if they are Muslims or not.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Need of the hour is to get rid of religious mumbo jumbo $hit that allows Mullahs and Ayatullahs to drive Pakistanis into death, desturction, suicide bombing, and attempted assassinations of bright girls like Malala.


Need of the hour is to keep pakistan 100s of miles away and safe and protected from anyone who says, he will bring Islam.

Because he will not.

He will only bring corruption and tribalism of the worst kind only and that too under the shadow of the beards.

peace

 

[queerbait]

How sure are you?

Well the thread is also A MUSLIM UNION IS THE NEED OF THE HOUR not it HAS HAPPENED or MIGHT HAPPEN tomorrow...Obviously IF it happens, there are alot of things to work on

And what about Italian pope to nudists of Sweden or even a NORMAL South European to any Nordic region! Check out their differences!

People at least bother getting out of your bedroom or apartment before giving opinions at global level...No it is NOT ENOUGH to just read a paper...You need to live abroad to actually know ground realities! Maybe in India the paper never lies but here the paper definitely evades the truth or shows only the better half of the picture!

Richest is netherlands with 32000 Euros and poorest is Bulgaria with 15000 Euros, all come is devloped nations......do you want me to quote a comparison of pci of afghanistan and yemen or turkey.

 

[Not Sure]

No they wont part with their money for free.

Go look at the condition of the labour workers (mostly muslims) who live in ME. Even if 0.05% of the ME wealth is spent on those workers they can live a decent life.

But the reality is that those workers are given the BARE MINIMUM possible money to lead their life.

So the conclusion is... for Muslims, first its money, then Islam! I hope someone from the ME jumps in to prove me wrong.

 

[FaujHistorian]

No they wont part with their money for free.

Go look at the condition of the labour workers (mostly muslims) who live in ME. Even if 0.05% of the ME wealth is spent on those workers they can live a decent life.

But the reality is that those workers are given the BARE MINIMUM possible money to lead their life.

not to sound harsh

But the workers get paid 5-10 times the money they would earn in their own country.

The wages in the ME are typically pegged to a multiple of the pay that one would get in their home country.

Add the multiple of the wayge and no tax means, people would rather be in ME making money than staying in the Islamist rat infested Pakistan or Afghanistan etc.

Hope you understand now.

So the conclusion is... for Muslims, first its money, then Islam! I hope someone from the ME jumps in to prove me wrong.

Incorrect! see my response to the other poster.


peace

 

[Dubious]

Richest is netherlands with 32000 Euros and poorest is Bulgaria with 15000 Euros, all come is devloped nations......do you want me to quote a comparison of pci of afghanistan and yemen or turkey.

What is PCI? I keep getting it as Percutaneous Cardiovascular Intervention

 

[timetravel]

So the conclusion is... for Muslims, first its money, then Islam! I hope someone from the ME jumps in to prove me wrong.

Incorrect. But people care for money in addition to their religion. So Muslims care for their religion and money both. In that respect Muslims are no different then Christians or Hindus or other religion people.

 

[queerbait]

What is PCI? I keep getting it as Percutaneous Cardiovascular Intervention

Per capita income...a common if albeit a little flawed method of determining how devloped the nation is. Its gross domestic product//total population, you by any chance a biology major?

 

[Dubious]

Per capita income...a common if albeit a little flawed method of determining how devloped the nation is. Its gross domestic product//total population, you by any chance a biology major?

geneticist

 

[FaujHistorian]

the talk of a muslim ummah is mostly a wishful fancy of pakistani's......

Not just Pakistanis, every lazy group thinks they can suck at the teets of Arab for free, if they will be part of this group of lazy @rsed druggies.

It is socialist/commie idea and just like commies went bankrupt, Islamism too is really a bankrupt idiot-ology oops idology.

t...as somehow this union will eliminate all their troubles..

This $upid unionism doesn't eliminate troubles

It is the source of troubles.

Thanks to this Islamism, we got Bin Fing Laden and Aiman fing Zawahiri.

Thanks to this Islamism, we kicked out our moderate voices, our intellectual and sane voices.

and replaced them with hard @rsed lazy 2-bit Mullahs and Ayatullahs.


peace

 

[Not Sure]

Incorrect! see my response to the other poster.


peace

Oh no, you won't do. Pakistani people do not have the money - barely 1/10th of what Arabians have. I would rather want someone from KSA or Qatar or Jordan or UAE or even Morocco to tell me that for the sake of Muslim Unity, they would allow visa-free travel and work permit throughout Islamic nations on the planet.