A Muslim hero, Omar Mukhtar

[Saif al-Arab]

Is he the first to use terrorism to achieve his goals?

So you consider defending your people and homeland against aggressive and violent foreign aggressors and occupiers who attacked your country and people as "terrorism"? Or just another Indian troll with a new ID ranting against Muslims as usual?

Or is it better to consider slave owners, racists and people who helped murder/expel/persecute Native Americans in their own homeland (as their forefathers did too) as heroes?

Anyway your opinion is irrelevant like that of most foreigners. We Arabs cherish heroes such as Omar Al-Mukhtar (ra) and his memory and legacy will live on forever as will our respect for him and other similar figures. Learn to live with it because it's not going to change.

I know but calling and summing up his entire fight for Libya and the Libyan people as a "pain in the ***" is extremely disrespectful.

Not really surprising for an anti-Muslim false-flagger and likely double user that just created his user a few days ago and started out by trolling. As if an supposed American has nothing better to do than joining a Pakistani defense forum to troll Arabs/Muslims. It's obviously a false-flagging troll/double user.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

So you consider defending your people and homeland against aggressive and violent foreign aggressors and occupiers who attacked your country and people as "terrorism"? Or just another Indian troll with a new ID ranting against Muslims as usual?

Or is it better to consider slave owners, racists and people who helped murder/expel/persecute Native Americans in their own homeland (as their forefathers did too) as heroes?

I am talking about the means not the goal.

Every terrorist uses terrorism as a means. Terrorism has never been the end goal.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I am talking about the means not the goal.

Every terrorist uses terrorism as a means. Terrorism has never been the end goal.

What are you trying to get across here my Indian friend?

The means was fighting the violent and illegal aggressors and occupiers of his homeland (Libya) and his people (Libyans). No attacks on Italian soil or targeting Italian civilians like the Italians targeted Libyan civilians in the laters own homeland.

It is a disgrace that I am even having this discussion with you or the word "terrorism" being mentioned along with the name of Omar al-Mukhtar (ra).

Frankly get lost and save me from reading more low IQ and moronic posts like that.

 

[The SC]

Emir Abdulkadir

Emir Abdelkader a true Muslim fighter and leader

...
So I suspect it’s time to raise the ghost of a man known as the Emir Abdelkader – Muslim, Sufi, sheikh, ferocious warrior, humanist, mystic, protector of his people against Western barbarism, protector of Christians against Muslim barbarism, so brave that the Algerian state insisted his bones were brought home from his beloved Damascus, so noble that Abe Lincoln sent him a pair of Colt pistols and the French gave him the Grand Cross of the Legion of Honour. He loved education, he admired the Greek philosophers, he forbade his fighters to destroy books, he worshipped a religion which believed – so he thought – in human rights. But hands up all readers who know the name of Abdelkader.

We should think of him now more than ever. He was not a “moderate” because he fought back savagely against the French occupation of his land. He was not an extremist because, in his imprisonment at the Chateau d’Amboise, he talked of Christians and Muslims as brothers. He was supported by Victor Hugo and Lord Londonderry and earned the respect of Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte (later Napoleon III) and the French state paid him a pension of 100,000 francs. He deserved it.

When the French invaded Algeria, Abdelkader Ibn Muhiedin al-Juzairi (Abdelkader, son of Muhiedin, the Algerian,1808-1883, for those who like obituaries) embarked on a successful guerrilla war against one of the best equipped armies in the Western world – and won. He set up his own state in western Algeria – Muslim but employing Christian and Jewish advisors – and created separate departments (defence, education, etc), which stretched as far as the Moroccan border. It even had its own currency, the “muhamediya”. He made peace with the French – a truce which the French broke by invading his lands yet again. Abdelkader demanded a priest to minister for his French prisoners, even giving them back their freedom when he had no food for them. The French sacked the Algerian towns they captured, a hundred Hadithas to suppress Abdelkader’s resistance. When at last he was defeated, he surrendered in honour – handing over his horse as a warrior – on the promise of exile in Alexandria or Acre. Again the French betrayed him, packing him off to prison in Toulon and then to the interior of France.

Yet in his French exile, he preached peace and brotherhood and studied French and spoke of the wisdom of Plato and Socrates, Aristotle and Ptolemy and Averoes and later wrote a book, Call to the Intelligent, which should be available on every social media platform. He also, by the way, wrote a book on horses which proves he was ever an Arab in the saddle. But his courage was demonstrated yet again in Damascus in 1860 where he lived as an honoured exile. The Christian-Druze civil war in Lebanon had spread to Damascus where the Christian population found themselves surrounded by the Muslim Druze who arrived with Isis-like cruelty, brandishing swords and knives to slaughter their adversaries.

Abdelkader sent his Algerian Muslim guards – his personal militia – to bash their way through the mob and escort more than 10,000 Christians to his estate. And when the crowds with their knives arrived at his door, he greeted them with a speech which is still recited in the Middle East (though utterly ignored these days in the West). “You pitiful creatures!” he shouted. “Is this the way you honour the Prophet? God punish you! Shame on you, shame! The day will come when you will pay for this … I will not hand over a single Christian. They are my brothers. Get out of here or I’ll set my guards on you.”

Muslim historians claim Abdelkader saved 15,000 Christians, which may be a bit of an exaggeration. But here was a man for Muslims to emulate and Westerners to admire. His fury was expressed in words which would surely have been used today against the cult-like caliphate executioners of Isis. Of course, the “Christian” West would honour him at the time (although, interestingly, he received a letter of praise from the Muslim leader of wildly independent Chechnya). He was an “interfaith dialogue” man to please Pope Francis.

Abdelkader was invited to Paris. An American town was named after him – Elkader in Clayton County, Iowa, and it’s still there, population 1,273. Founded in the mid-19th century, it was natural to call your home after a man who was, was he not, honouring the Rights of Man of American Independence and the French Revolution? Abdelkader flirted with Freemasonry – most scholars believe he was not taken in – and loved science to such an extent that he accepted an invitation to the opening of the Suez Canal, which was surely an imperial rather than a primarily scientific project. Abdelkader met De Lesseps. He saw himself, one suspects, as Islam’s renaissance man, a man for all seasons, the Muslim for all people, an example rather than a saint, a philosopher rather than a priest.

But of course, Abdelkader’s native Algeria is a neighbour of Libya from where Salman Abedi’s family came, and Abdelkader died in Syria, whose assault by US aircraft – according to Abedi’s sister – was the reason he slaughtered the innocent of Manchester. And so geography contracts and history fades, and Abedi’s crime is, for now, more important than all of Abdelkader’s life and teaching and example. So for Mancunians, whether they tattoo bees onto themselves or merely buy flowers, why not pop into Manchester’s central library in St Peter’s Square and ask for Elsa Marsten’s The Compassionate Warrior or John Kiser’s Commander of the Faithful or, published just a few months ago, Mustapha Sherif’s L’Emir Abdelkader: Apotre de la fraternite?

They are no antidotes for sorrow or mourning. But they prove that Isis does not represent Islam and that a Muslim can earn the honour of the world.

https://muslimvillage.com/2017/05/29/124056/emir-abdelkader-true-muslim-fighter-leader/

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Emir Abdulkadir

Emir Abdelkader a true Muslim fighter and leader

...
So I suspect it’s time to raise the ghost of a man known as the Emir Abdelkader – Muslim, Sufi, sheikh, ferocious warrior, humanist, mystic, protector of his people against Western barbarism, protector of Christians against Muslim barbarism, so brave that the Algerian state insisted his bones were brought home from his beloved Damascus, so noble that Abe Lincoln sent him a pair of Colt pistols and the French gave him the Grand Cross of the Legion of Honour. He loved education, he admired the Greek philosophers, he forbade his fighters to destroy books, he worshipped a religion which believed – so he thought – in human rights. But hands up all readers who know the name of Abdelkader.

We should think of him now more than ever. He was not a “moderate” because he fought back savagely against the French occupation of his land. He was not an extremist because, in his imprisonment at the Chateau d’Amboise, he talked of Christians and Muslims as brothers. He was supported by Victor Hugo and Lord Londonderry and earned the respect of Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte (later Napoleon III) and the French state paid him a pension of 100,000 francs. He deserved it.

When the French invaded Algeria, Abdelkader Ibn Muhiedin al-Juzairi (Abdelkader, son of Muhiedin, the Algerian,1808-1883, for those who like obituaries) embarked on a successful guerrilla war against one of the best equipped armies in the Western world – and won. He set up his own state in western Algeria – Muslim but employing Christian and Jewish advisors – and created separate departments (defence, education, etc), which stretched as far as the Moroccan border. It even had its own currency, the “muhamediya”. He made peace with the French – a truce which the French broke by invading his lands yet again. Abdelkader demanded a priest to minister for his French prisoners, even giving them back their freedom when he had no food for them. The French sacked the Algerian towns they captured, a hundred Hadithas to suppress Abdelkader’s resistance. When at last he was defeated, he surrendered in honour – handing over his horse as a warrior – on the promise of exile in Alexandria or Acre. Again the French betrayed him, packing him off to prison in Toulon and then to the interior of France.

Yet in his French exile, he preached peace and brotherhood and studied French and spoke of the wisdom of Plato and Socrates, Aristotle and Ptolemy and Averoes and later wrote a book, Call to the Intelligent, which should be available on every social media platform. He also, by the way, wrote a book on horses which proves he was ever an Arab in the saddle. But his courage was demonstrated yet again in Damascus in 1860 where he lived as an honoured exile. The Christian-Druze civil war in Lebanon had spread to Damascus where the Christian population found themselves surrounded by the Muslim Druze who arrived with Isis-like cruelty, brandishing swords and knives to slaughter their adversaries.

Abdelkader sent his Algerian Muslim guards – his personal militia – to bash their way through the mob and escort more than 10,000 Christians to his estate. And when the crowds with their knives arrived at his door, he greeted them with a speech which is still recited in the Middle East (though utterly ignored these days in the West). “You pitiful creatures!” he shouted. “Is this the way you honour the Prophet? God punish you! Shame on you, shame! The day will come when you will pay for this … I will not hand over a single Christian. They are my brothers. Get out of here or I’ll set my guards on you.”

Muslim historians claim Abdelkader saved 15,000 Christians, which may be a bit of an exaggeration. But here was a man for Muslims to emulate and Westerners to admire. His fury was expressed in words which would surely have been used today against the cult-like caliphate executioners of Isis. Of course, the “Christian” West would honour him at the time (although, interestingly, he received a letter of praise from the Muslim leader of wildly independent Chechnya). He was an “interfaith dialogue” man to please Pope Francis.

Abdelkader was invited to Paris. An American town was named after him – Elkader in Clayton County, Iowa, and it’s still there, population 1,273. Founded in the mid-19th century, it was natural to call your home after a man who was, was he not, honouring the Rights of Man of American Independence and the French Revolution? Abdelkader flirted with Freemasonry – most scholars believe he was not taken in – and loved science to such an extent that he accepted an invitation to the opening of the Suez Canal, which was surely an imperial rather than a primarily scientific project. Abdelkader met De Lesseps. He saw himself, one suspects, as Islam’s renaissance man, a man for all seasons, the Muslim for all people, an example rather than a saint, a philosopher rather than a priest.

But of course, Abdelkader’s native Algeria is a neighbour of Libya from where Salman Abedi’s family came, and Abdelkader died in Syria, whose assault by US aircraft – according to Abedi’s sister – was the reason he slaughtered the innocent of Manchester. And so geography contracts and history fades, and Abedi’s crime is, for now, more important than all of Abdelkader’s life and teaching and example. So for Mancunians, whether they tattoo bees onto themselves or merely buy flowers, why not pop into Manchester’s central library in St Peter’s Square and ask for Elsa Marsten’s The Compassionate Warrior or John Kiser’s Commander of the Faithful or, published just a few months ago, Mustapha Sherif’s L’Emir Abdelkader: Apotre de la fraternite?

They are no antidotes for sorrow or mourning. But they prove that Isis does not represent Islam and that a Muslim can earn the honour of the world.

https://muslimvillage.com/2017/05/29/124056/emir-abdelkader-true-muslim-fighter-leader/

A Hasani. Hijazi blood flowed through his veins. A hero for all Arabs and Muslims alike just like Omar al-Mukhtar (ra).

 

[TheBlackCoat]

What are you trying to get across here my Indian friend?

The means was fighting the violent and illegal aggressors and occupiers of his homeland (Libya) and his people (Libyans). No attacks on Italian soil or targeting Italian civilians like the Italians targeted Libyan civilians in the laters own homeland.

It is a disgrace that I am even having this discussion with you or the word "terrorism" being mentioned along with the name of Omar al-Mukhtar (ra).

Frankly get lost and save me from reading more low IQ and moronic posts like that.

Frankly, My question was academic in nature. I just wanted to know if he was the first to adopt this tactic or not. You are getting so defensive is amusing.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Frankly, My question was academic in nature. I just wanted to know if he was the first to adopt this tactic or not. You are getting so defensive is amusing.

Yes, sure. Because we do not tolerate anyone badmouthing our heroes or maligning their world famous legacies or giving them false attributes. Maybe this behavior is normal in your culture? I have no idea but I hope not.

 

[The SC]

Abd el-Krim, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Karim al-Khattabi
(d. 1963 )

Moroccan leader of the Rif Rebellion and Islamic reformer. Eldest son of a notable family in a Berber-speaking tribe of northern Morocco, Abd el-Krim and his Moroccan troops soundly defeated Spanish forces under General Silvestre at the Battle of Anual ( 1921 ), initiating the Rif Rebellion. Influenced by Salafi ideas, he declared a republic based on Islamic law ( 1923 ) and sought to eliminate Sufism. At its zenith, the Rifian state included most of the Spanish protectorate and a portion of the French protectorate. In 1926 Spanish and French armies defeated Abd el-Krim's forces and disbanded the republic. He died in self-exile in Cairo.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Yes, sure. Because we do not tolerate anyone badmouthing our heroes or maligning their world famous legacies or giving them false attributes. Maybe this behavior is normal in your culture? I have no idea but I hope not.

Ask any Japanese and they proudly talk of their Kamikaze pilots. I am lost why are you so defensive.

 

[Clutch]

Real brave honourable men like Omar Mukhtar are an extinct species in today's world of deceit and greed.

 

[The SC]

Ask any Japanese and they proudly talk of their Kamikaze pilots. I am lost why are you so defensive.

Different contexts buddy,the Japanese were aggressors too, it was total war; a WW and they have this honor hara kiri for samurai in their culture, when defeated in combat..they just commit suicide, hence the Kamikaze in WW2..
North Africa was invaded by the Spaniards and the French in the West _Morocco and Algeria_ and the Italians in Libya,, people from these countries took arms against the invaders and colonialists, and among them you find Omar Al Mokhtar and his likes who fought the invaders face to face sometimes and used what we know now as asymmetric warfare or guerilla tactics when they were outmatches in weapons technologies.. this is very far from being even slightly close to terrorism, I am not sure why such a thought even crossed your mind!?
And yes as you can see the Arabs are very proud of these heroes who have fought for their liberation against all odds..
Can one think of George Washington as a terrorist then?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Similiar stories are scattered all over the muslim world.

A few pics from different regions of Pak
Baloch fighters from my tribe (Marri, labelled as Savages)

Captured and hanged;

Rebellion of panjab lead by Rai Ahmed Khan Kharral, old landlord, died fighting;

Pashtuns attack a British fort;

Gilgit Scouts rebellion, ended the occupation ;

Anglo Sindhi wars, lead by the African Gen Hosh Muhammad Sheedi, the COAS of Baluch Talpur Dynasty;

His words became immortal "Marsoun marsoun Sindh na desun"

Will die, will die but not give up Sindh.

 

[scorpionx]

For those whose lives all over the world were ruthlessly oppressed, civilization ravaged by colonial animalism, Omar Mukhtar will remain as a mystical inspiration.

 

[TheBlackCoat]

Different contexts buddy,the Japanese were aggressors too, it war a WW and they have this honor hara kiri for samurai in their culture, when defeated in combat..they just commit suicide, hence the Kamikaze in WW2..
North Africa was invaded by the Spaniards and the French in the West _Morocco and Algeria_ and the Italians in Libya,, people from these countries took arms against the invaders and colonialists, and among them you find Omar Al Mokhtar and his likes who fought the invaders face to face sometimes and used what we know now as asymmetric warfare or guerilla tactics when they were outmatches in weapons technologies.. this is very far from being even slightly close to terrorism, I am not sure why such a thought even crossed your mind!?
And yes as you can see the Arabs are very proud of these heroes who have fought for their liberation against all odds..
Can one think of George Washington as a terrorist then?

Washington did not allow his troops to use guerrilla tactics against the British.

Let's look at some definitions

Guerrilla warfare — Military and paramilitary operations conducted in enemy-held or hostile territory by irregular, predominantly indigenous forces.

Insurgency — an organized movement aimed at the overthrow of a constituted government through use of subversion and armed conflict.

Terrorism — The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

Where does Omar Mukhtar's strategy fall?

 

[gangsta_rap]

As far as your owners are bowing down to their white skinned masters we are gonna be fine, But if you even dare to dream of putting your foot in white man's land again, then you're gonna see the Crusades Version 2.0

Who invited this alt-right neckbeard into here LOL