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A 'Crash Landing': The Slow and Painful Death of India's Air Force

The best reply I only conjure.

Given your dangerously low IQ level that is nothing short of a miracle. I am surprised that you can type words.

Now that you have mastered the art of using the keyboard may be you can shed some light on why the article is wrong and why the LCA is not a sh1tty aircraft in your opinion.
 
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Prime reason is that we have IAS men involved in the process of procurment. We need to weed those idiots out first. It should be only the mean who knows what's right.

The present group of people who decide our procurement are like BCCI. Which has everyone in power except an cricketer.
 
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Given your dangerously low IQ level that is nothing short of a miracle. I am surprised that you can type words.

Now that you have mastered the art of using the keyboard may be tou can shed some light on why the article is wrong and why the LCA is not a sh1tty aircraft in your opinion.

The lesson I've learned in PDF,Never Engage with troll.They're hazardous for your health as well as threatening for ratings as well. :rofl:
 
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Every time they come up with such a whining article it only strengthens the argument that LCA need to be inducted asap.
It seems that vested interests are so strong that even if air force agrees to induct and move ahead they will still be cringing. Western propaganda is indeed strong. Seems BBC is being replaced by our own chamchas. Lets send them to afghanistan duty home comfort breeds too much complacency.
 
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The lesson I've learned in PDF,Never Engage with troll.They're hazardous for your health as well as threatening for ratings as well.

The lesson you learnt in PDF is how to finally use a keyboard and "4th generation". Now if you will excuse me I have more important matters in hand.

@Topic Self-reliance is a good ambition but slef-reliance should not be pursued at the cost of common sense and national interest. The article rightly states that India needs a major reshaping of its organisation and priorities. The LCA as mentioned in the article is a sh1tty plane and unfit for 21st century air battles.

India should better utilise time and resources to purchase better and more potent aircraft.

Every time they come up with such a whining article it only strengthens the argument that LCA need to be inducted asap.

Just shows how little the fanboys of LCA know about the limitations and deficiencies of the LCA. The article is much needed.
 
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LCA as mentioned in the article is a sh1tty plane and unfit for 21st century air battles.
LCA is not a front line aircraft , it wont be in thick of action . There are other aircraft to take care of that.
India should better utilise time and resources to purchase better and more potent aircraft.
Yes this can happen only if we start producing and using home grown systems. Not by spending tonnes of hard earned money on foreign hardware.
 
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And JF-17 has all those capabilities??

Yes.

Unless you are a typical gullible bharti, you'll know that JF-17s have been integrated with BVRs, we have videos of them firing BVRs...JF-17's not only have electronic warfare suites, they are being upgraded for block IIs now..and JF-17s range is prettu awesome...they have performed actual war operations in FATA etc.

You got lots of catching up to do. Go to JF-17 threads here..
 
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Let the people say whatever they want but we add 16 MKIs at HAL and almost same numbers are imported from Russia. We have updated our old fleet to new standard to make them best available anywhere. It includes Mirage 2000, Jaguar and Mig 29. We are going to add 36 rafales and some 100 tejas with AESA, EW and loads of Aerodynamic improvements with 800 KG weight slashed. Even our Tejas shall be more than enough to take care of anything made in China.
You will induct Rafale and tejas when ? In 2099 ? :D
 
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LCA is not a front line aircraft , it wont be in thick of action . There are other aircraft to take care of that.

LCA is not fit for even backline action. It cannot refuel mid-air, it cannot fire BVR missiles and it has a very poor range. By the time it takes off and reaches the sky it will have to land.

Yes this can happen only if we start producing and using home grown systems.

How is buying 3rd grade home grown system going to be of any help?

I think I have identified the reason with the constant bhakt's denial of how shitty LCA (and other DRDO/HAL/OFB products) are.

Nobody, not even the bhakts, would mistake LCA for a good aircraft. The tin can is a disaster and unfit for flying. But soemthing called national ego will play spoilsport. The desperation to build something "domestic" and go swadeshi has seriously jeopardised national security. Parrikar has declared that 120 rafales would be scarapped and in its place 120 Tejas would be inducted. The PAF top brass must be rolling with laughter.

In the desperation to promote something desi important criteria like quality has been overlook and ignored. How can Parrikar even think of inducting an aircraft that cannot refuel mid-air, cannot fire BVR missiles and has no EW suite? It is a sitting duck against 21st century fighters and even the JF-17 will have the psychological upper hand.

Things have gone worse with the induction of JF-17. The Pakistanis have managed to induct a "home grown" aircraft and there is no way that India will be falling behind their arch-rivals. This is the reason why some blind bhakts in PDF are so desperate to pass the LCA as an aircraft of the same caliber as Typhoon and Rafale when the reality is very different.

If India is sincere about its security concerns it needs to scrap the LCA program and invest its time and resources on a fresh project.
 
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A 'Crash Landing': The Slow and Painful Death of India's Air Force
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Dave Majumdar
October 22, 2015

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The Obama Administration is gearing up to sell eight new Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon jets to Pakistan, the New York Times reports. Those jets will add to Pakistan’s fleet of seventy-six existing “Vipers” as the type is colloquially known. Meanwhile, its arch-nemesis India’s air force shrinks by the day as planes age out and squadron are disbanded.

Assuming Pakistan completes the sale, the eight F-16s would help boost that country’s fleet of eighteen existing advanced Block 52+ Vipers. The rest of the Pakistani F-16 fleet consists of modified A-model jets that have been upgraded to Block 15 MLU standard, which bring those aircraft nearly up to the same capability as the newest Block 52+ jets.

Pakistan is also buying more than 150 Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder fighters. According to Flight International’s World Air Forces Directory 2015—Pakistan currently has forty-nine of the aircraft in service with 100 more on order. The JF-17 ultimately originates as an extensive redesign of the Chendu F7, which was originally a license-built MiG-21 derivative. Powered by a Russian-made Klimov RD-93—which is a version of the MiG-29’s engine—the JF-17 provides decent capability at low prices. It is likely that the JF-17 will replace Pakistan’s geriatric fleet of Chengdu F-7s, Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs.

The rest of Pakistan’s fleet is composed of 140 Chinese-made F-7P and F-7PG fighters, which are a Chinese copy of the Mikoyan MiG-21. The aircraft have been upgraded with Italian-built Grifo-Mk-II radars, but are now obsolete. There are also roughly 157 French-built Dassault Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs in service with the Pakistani air force. But while the F-7 will eventually be replaced by the JF-17, it’s not clear what Pakistan’s intentions are to replace the Mirage fighters.

The bottom line for Pakistan is that while its air force can’t compete with the Indian air force in terms of numbers, it is upgrading its forces and potentially even growing. Meanwhile, India’s air force is shrinking.

The overall balance of power in South Asia rests with India—but that nation is increasingly being challenged by an ever more powerful China, even if Pakistan is not quite the threat it once was. But the Indian military—particularly its air force is suffering due to that nation’s dysfunctional government, incompetent bureaucracy and intransigent negotiating tactics.

The Indian air force is required to muster a strength of forty-two combat aircraft squadrons, however, due to decades of negligence it can barely manage to operate thirty-five units. That number could further shrink and hit a low of twenty-five squadrons if nothing is done to staunch the bleeding.

Part of the problem is a lack of trained pilots, but mostly it’s India’s inability to select a new fighter and complete negotiations in a timely manner—or really at all. The prime example of Indian bureaucratic incompetence is the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition, which started with an Indian air force requirement for 126 fighters in 2001. While the Dassault Rafale eventually “won” the competition in 2011—nearly ten years later—India managed to derail the negotiations with various unreasonable demands that neither the French government or Dassault would ever agree to. Ultimately, the MMRCA program was cancelled earlier this year.

India is currently negotiating to buy thirty-six Rafales directly from the French government; a deal is allegedly imminent by the end of the year. But given India’s track record—that’s dubious at best. But the Indian air force still needs at least 120 medium combat aircraft with similar capability to the Rafale. Indeed, the Indians still hope to buy more Rafales, but they might have to extend production of the indigenous Tejas to keep their fleet numbers up.

But the problem with India’s HAL Tejas is that it is one of the single worst fighter projects that has ever been conceived of in the history of aviation. Even as it enters service, the aircraft is obsolete and is probably inferior in many respects to the JF-17. The jet has 57 known deficiencies and will probably get a lot of Indian pilots killed if any type of conflict were ever to break out.


Meanwhile, the one bright spot for the Indian air force is the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. While the Indians have had some issues with the Russians in supporting the Flanker-H, the 220 Su-30s that are currently in service are that country’s first line of defense. India will ultimately buy 272 Flanker-H fighters, but it should give serious consideration to extending that buy until its air force recovers some of its numerical strength. Basically, India should consider scrapping the Tejas and buying 120 or more additional Flankers.

In the future, the Indians are likely to buy a derivative of Russia’s T-50 PAK-FA stealth fighter. But the Indian-Russian co-development effort is a rocky one—and it is unclear how many jets will ultimately be delivered to the Indian air force and when. India is also developing it’s own fifth-generation fighter—but given it’s previous efforts on the Tejas, it’s not likely to fly any time soon.


A 'Crash Landing': The Slow and Painful Death of India's Air Force | The National Interest Blog
One of the most asinine articles I have ever read, what a waste of 120 seconds.
 
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Tejas lacks air-to-air refuelling
Tejas cannot fire BVR range missiles
Tejas does not have AESA radar
Tejas does not have electronic warfare suit
Tejas cockpit cannot defend against 7.62x51 caliber bullets for f***s sake!!
Tejas has a limited operational range of 400-500 km which is practically useless
Tejas airframe is unsuitable for future upgrades because of size and space constraints

I mentioned 7 shortcomings.

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@Abingdonboy, thx for posting this picture up.


It shows how much u really know.
 
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