9/11 : Then and now ( Photos )

[Dubious]

it weakens, bends,

but the tower collapsed vertically not toppling sideways!

blacksmiths do deal with steel,

I answered this bit already

 

[Whazzup]

Towers fell sidewise if they are made up of simple bricks but if reinforcement is involved that too in center it will behave exactly how those towers did.

Cut the crap are u a civil engg?
here look at this

The reinforcement was in the center genius when the temperature crosses a certain limit it melts and hence the tower fell that way.
Structures are made up of Steel and concrete not just bricks kept in any random fashion. Geez

@SarthakGanguly how many members here believe in this crap?

Till where i saw this video it only discussed tower 7 sorry no info on that will comment when I have anything on it.

now about my post

The thing is structure was getting its strength from its core columns which were in the center and because of the jet fuel fire the temperature crossed 800 c the core columns melted and joined each other weakening the structure.

Now as the struts were already weak because of collision the entire structure collapsed as soon as the outer floor truss deformed because of heat and then all floors started falling right on each other
that debunks the theory of the member i was replying to.

(image not entirely correct floor trusses were taking strength from the core columns)

(outer floor trusses the one which connects the floors from outer wall.)

 

[dray]

but the tower collapsed vertically not toppling sideways!


I answered this bit already

yes, the steel beams gave away at the point of hit, and all the floors above it came down straight like a giant hammer. You agree that those planes did hit the towers, right? If Americans had to fake it, they could have done it with the explosives only. And why did they need to fake it? To go after Osama or Taliban? That they could have done without bombing anything. They don't need to justify anything to anybody, and you know that.

 

[Whazzup]

yes, the steel beams gave away at the point of hit, and all the floors above it came down straight like a giant hammer. You agree that those planes did hit the towers, right? If Americans had to fake it, they could have done it with the explosives only. And why did they need to fake it? To go after Osama or Taliban? That they could have done without bombing anything.

Wrong

if all columns would have gave away at that point then it would have collapsed at very moment of impact and that too side ways as she claims.

only small columns gave away the main central reinforcement was still intact it got deformed after jet fuel fire.

 

[Dubious]

yes, the steel beams gave away at the point of hit, and all the floors above it came down straight like a giant hammer. You agree that those planes did hit the towers, right? If Americans had to fake it, they could have done it with the explosives only. And why did they need to fake it? To go after Osama or Taliban? That they could have done without bombing anything. They don't need to justify anything to anybody, and you know that.

Not my theory I am not against it but as a scientist if someone presents me something with sound scientific knowledge i am left to question it!

 

[dray]

Not my theory I am not against it but as a scientist if someone presents me something with sound scientific knowledge i am left to question it!

Let's talk about motive, why?

Wrong

if all columns would have gave away at that point then it would have collapsed at very moment of impact and that too side ways as she claims.

only small columns gave away the main central reinforcement was still intact it got deformed after jet fuel fire.

I mean, "At the point of hit" means at the place of hit, the columns gave away later..

 

[Dubious]

Let's talk about motive, why?

1st establish was it or not? then seek the motive why would anyone do that!

There can be many...insurance the guy did claim 2x
Need a reason to invade another country?

 

[Whazzup]

"At the point of hit" means at the place of hit, the columns gave away later..

Oh sorry I thought moment of impact. my bad.

 

[dray]

1st establish was it or not? then seek the motive why would anyone do that!

There can be many...insurance the guy did claim 2x
Need a reason to invade another country?

Five planes were hijacked and rammed in different places in an elaborate plan for insurance money? Come on, you can do better.

And The United States of America doesn't need any reason to invade a country like Afghanistan.

And assuming for a moment that there were explosives, in which part of the building did they use it as per you?

 

[Dubious]

Five planes were hijacked and rammed in different places in an elaborate plan for insurance money? Come on, you can do better.

we are talking about 9/11 the WTC not the other 3 planes....But you can do your own research on the other 3!

And The United States of America doesn't need any reason to invade a country like Afghanistan.

You think? They were having a hard time convincing their senate!

Watch pre 9/11 senate and post 9/11 senate reactions!

And assuming for a moment that there were explosives, in which part of the building did they use it as per you?

Nothing is as per me! I wasnt there...But the science doesnt add up!

 

[dray]

we are talking about 9/11 the WTC not the other 3 planes....But you can do your own research on the other 3!


You think? They were having a hard time convincing their senate!

Watch pre 9/11 senate and post 9/11 senate reactions!


Nothing is as per me! I wasnt there...But the science doesnt add up!

Let's go one by one...

Who was the beneficiary of that so called insurance money? And who paid it? How much was paid? Was the amount good enough to hatch such an elaborate plan?

How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent of hijacking five of their own planes to crash into their landmarks and kill thousands of their own people to convince it's own senate to invade Afghanistan? How many planes they needed to hijack to invade Iraq twice, or to screw Libya, Syria, etc.? It is not adding up!

Which part of the science didn't add up? Plane hits building, building burns for sometime, then collapses...check some Nepal earthquake videos to see how buildings can collapse like pack of cards. What are the other possibilities you suggest?

 

[Dubious]

Who was the beneficiary of that so called insurance money? And who paid it?

Already on this very thread I dont want to go over it 1 by 1 with each individual on the forum! If interested search it up!

How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent of hijacking five of their own planes to crash into their landmarks and kill thousands of their own people to convince it's own senate to invade Afghanistan? How many planes they needed to hijack to invade Iraq twice, or to screw Libya, Syria, etc.? It is not adding up!

I never said they hijacked! I just said that they made it bigger than need be!

Worst part of stretching the lie was the passport of a member in the plane which had crashed in the tower, plane blown up tower melted and collapsed with the man having his passport inside the plane with him survived! Man they should start making towers of the material the unscratched passport was made off!

Which part of the science didn't add up? Plane hits building, building burns for sometime, then collapses...check some Nepal earthquake videos to see how buildings can collapse like pack of cards. What are the other possibilities you suggest?

Also on this thread - videos and testimonies from engineers and architects of America not even foreigners pointing it out! Heck even firemen on scene had a different story then bureaucrats

You can google or check it out on youtube!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Let's go one by one...

Who was the beneficiary of that so called insurance money? And who paid it? How much was paid? Was the amount good enough to hatch such an elaborate plan?

How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent of hijacking five of their own planes to crash into their landmarks and kill thousands of their own people to convince it's own senate to invade Afghanistan? How many planes they needed to hijack to invade Iraq twice, or to screw Libya, Syria, etc.? It is not adding up!

Which part of the science didn't add up? Plane hits building, building burns for sometime, then collapses...check some Nepal earthquake videos to see how buildings can collapse like pack of cards. What are the other possibilities you suggest?

I would usually suggest you stay out of discussing with fanatics. But, in your case, at this time... sure... give it a try.

Already on this very thread I dont want to go over it 1 by 1 with each individual on the forum! If interested search it up!


I never said they hijacked! I just said that they made it bigger than need be!

Worst part of stretching the lie was the passport of a member in the plane which had crashed in the tower, plane blown up tower melted and collapsed with the man having his passport inside the plane with him survived! Man they should start making towers of the material the unscratched passport was made off!


Also on this thread - videos and testimonies from engineers and architects of America not even foreigners pointing it out! Heck even firemen on scene had a different story then bureaucrats

You can google or check it out on youtube!

The question is simple. And to the point and on topic.

"What are the other possibilities you suggest?"

 

[Whazzup]

I would usually suggest you stay out of discussing with fanatics. But, in your case, at this time... sure... give it a try.

Well thank you for editing the bolded word the earlier one would have got you in trouble.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well thank you for editing the bolded word the earlier one would have got you in trouble.

No it was incorrect. alQ claims they have done it. She claims the US has done it. It would have been incorrect on my part.