9/11 : Then and now ( Photos )

[Dubious]

What else could it mean ? You are essentially saying that if people do not respond to you, the default position is that you are correct and that they fears for their jobs. The thought that your assumptions maybe wrong is not even considered.

Well why are you responding?


You are responding why dont they who have "expertise"

This is the 21st century, son. Use the American invention call the Internet to find out how many people all over the world do not take you and your type seriously.

that is your job to show me coz you claim it not I!

Even to this day, your kind still using the debunked argument of 'pull it' as spoken by Silverstein. The loony conspiracy theorists asserted that the word 'pull' is used by the demolition community to detonate the explosives. But that is false as testified by those in the demolition community themselves...

I never said this!

I understand them better than you do, kid

then why ignore the science?

Fine...Then we have a minor misunderstanding. Seems common enough with debating technical issues with those uneducated in the sciences -- like you.

personal attack shows your lack of information or anything to contribute! Very typical!

Exactly...That is why real honest scientists and engineers do not take your kind seriously. Their collective silence speaks loud enough of the contempt they have for your kind.

Denial is a lovely gaga land to vanish into

As I said to you your own thoughts/ issues/ understanding whatever!

There is no possible saving for your mind. It is long gone...

Another personal attack shows you have nothing on you!

Key word

"nothing much

Not nothing at all!

I never denied there were explosions.

but you said listen to the lead engineer he denied it out right:

why do you not side with the majority, of which includes Leslie Robertson, who was the lead structural engineer on the towers ? Robertson certainly have much greater depth and scope of technical knowledge, not just of structural engineering, but of the towers themselves, than those who created and supports those loony 9/11 conspiracy theories.

You mean this guy:

 

[dray]

and here the discussion ends!

Bye!

I never said you are ranting, I was talking about some of the videos. I am just asking you for some clarifications before I can completely belive in your theory that 9/11 was an inside job by the US govt. or agencies. Your posts can only be called ranting if you fail to provide further clarification on it. So, please let me know...

 

[gambit]

I never said you are ranting, I was talking about some of the videos. I am just asking you for some clarifications before I can completely belive in your theory that 9/11 was an inside job by the US govt. or agencies. Your posts can only be called ranting if you fail to provide further clarification on it. So, please let me know...

This is a conspiracy that spans borders and professions. Basically, anyone who is silence or disagree is either employed by the US government or threatened into silence. But funny how powerful is the US government over millions of scientists and engineers, these conspiracy theories believers continues to live normal lives.

He is ranting.

 

[Dubious]

I never said you are ranting, I was talking about some of the videos. I am just asking you for some clarifications before I can completely belive in your theory that 9/11 was an inside job by the US govt. or agencies. Your posts can only be called ranting if you fail to provide further clarification on it. So, please let me know...

I aint generating any conspiracies but some do make sense and hence pointed it out those burning can burn in and out without looking at what is being presented

silence or disagree

Is it not true? How many who are not bound by govt disagree?

And in America where media is powerful enough to pick up anything silence is not exactly a power!

millions of scientists and engineers

which you claim and have by far mentioned only 1 who also seemed to have a flaw in what he said! I didnt know 1 is million in America

He is ranting.

And this is where people who have made up their mind should leave the thread coz such people are not only not approachable but cant accept or even try to comprehend the amount of OTHER opinions out there!

 

[HariPrasad]

Hospital run by evil regime , who needs hospitals

Note promotional video that shows the effect of war on lives on children but it sends a strong message , on lives of Iraqi, Libiyan, and now Syrian children and families

Palestine
Bombing in gaza by F16, issue was being considered for war crimes

Time to support real democracy

The question to the core is that who caused this difference. The forces who were behind the 9/11 are behind the Libya and Syria destruction.

 

[VCheng]

 

[dray]

I aint generating any conspiracies but some do make sense and hence pointed it out those burning can burn in and out without looking at what is being presented

That's disappointing, I was looking forward to a logical discussion , but you are dodging all my questions. Conspiracy theories without proof and logic are called ranting.

 

[Dubious]

That's disappointing, I was looking forward to a logical discussion , but you are dodging all my questions. Conspiracy theories without proof and logic are called ranting.

1stly, I am not the theorist none of this was my own research nor any of these theories formulated by me!
2ndly, for discussion you need to watch the hrs long videos which you didnt....2 of the videos I posted were and hr long each....and you replied to me within mins so I know you didnt watch them....

Hence, listening to people who dont even hear the other side is like listening to a broken tape recorded rant...which I am not interested in!

 

[dray]

1stly, I am not the theorist none of this was my own research nor any of these theories formulated by me!
2ndly, for discussion you need to watch the hrs long videos which you didnt....2 of the videos I posted were and hr long each....and you replied to me within mins so I know you didnt watch them....

Hence, listening to people who dont even hear the other side is like listening to a broken tape recorded rant...which I am not interested in!

It's been many hours now...besides, I am asking for your take on this.

 

[Dubious]

It's been many hours now...besides, I am asking for your take on this.

My take is ....IF science can debunk what is being presented and people sit down and have a discussion to figure out things wouldnt be as complicated as they have been made by shutting down the area, cutting off people who requested to be on the research team and also by avoiding to discuss on the matter just coz some people said xyz without a 2nd opinion!

I would like a 2 sided discussion where both sides present their SCIENTIFIC findings and discuss why they dont agree with the other side!

 

[anon45]

My take is ....IF science can debunk what is being presented and people sit down and have a discussion to figure out things wouldnt be as complicated as they have been made by shutting down the area, cutting off people who requested to be on the research team and also by avoiding to discuss on the matter just coz some people said xyz without a 2nd opinion!

I would like a 2 sided discussion where both sides present their SCIENTIFIC findings and discuss why they dont agree with the other side!

except its not 2 sides, there are many flavors of 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

The various flavors are listed (and debunked) here

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage

 

[gambit]

My take is ....IF science can debunk what is being presented and people sit down and have a discussion to figure out things wouldnt be as complicated as they have been made by shutting down the area, cutting off people who requested to be on the research team and also by avoiding to discuss on the matter just coz some people said xyz without a 2nd opinion!

I would like a 2 sided discussion where both sides present their SCIENTIFIC findings and discuss why they dont agree with the other side!

But you were presented with reasonable arguments. Take the word 'explosion' for example.

To you, the word 'explosion' can only come from an explosive, a device deliberately designed to explode, a weapon. But I have shown you at least one example where a device that have peaceful purposes but can have lethal consequences if the device is abused -- the industrial capacitor. You rejected this reasonable argument, not because it is scientific, but because it weakens your argument about the firefighters hearing 'explosions'. To you, an 'explosion' can only come from weapons, which is wrong to start.

So do not present yourself as someone who is reasonable in the sciences of this subject.

1stly, I am not the theorist none of this was my own research nor any of these theories formulated by me!

In propagating them, you are no different than those who created them.

2ndly, for discussion you need to watch the hrs long videos which you didnt....2 of the videos I posted were and hr long each....and you replied to me within mins so I know you didnt watch them....

Hence, listening to people who dont even hear the other side is like listening to a broken tape recorded rant...which I am not interested in!

Please...

There are plenty of people who watched those videos and took them apart. You were given links to them. If you think that by posting your sources make you look 'scientific', and I doubt you understand even half of what was said, then why are you so afraid of reading sources that debunked your videos ?

You presented your sources, we presented ours. And so far, real science trumped your fake science.

 

[Dubious]

To you, the word 'explosion' can only come from an explosive,

I stooped reading right there!

You live off presumptions .....I am sorry I cant take such people seriously!

Continue living off them!

Plus all you have done is blaabed without 1 of those thousands of so called people who you are supporting not 1 link not 1 video just your word...Sorry to say in todays world evidence does matter not "coz you said it"

 

[gambit]

This is how pathetic and absurd the 9/11 'Troofer' movement became...

Star Wars Energy Weapons 1

The apparent fact that the Richter reading peaked at 2.3 and the disturbance lasted only 8 seconds indicates an extraordinary high-energy weapon was used top-down to preserve the bathtub and surrounding structures.

Dr. Judy Wood, whose resume includes engineering in dental implants and never large scale structures like tall buildings, essentially said that the WTC Towers mass were 'dissolved' by directed energy weapons from space.

The intellectual dishonesty by the 9/11 'Troofer' movement includes tactics like posting large reams of scientific sources intended to insinuate the authors of these real sciences sided with the movement. But if the other side posts their own scientific sources, the loonies derided those real science authors as being under the government's pay.

This is why the scientific community at large remains quiet about 9/11. The sciences are being misused and abused to the point of absurdity like directed energy weapons used to kill Americans and to frame the Muslims.

I stooped reading right there!

You live off presumptions .....I am sorry I cant take such people seriously!

Continue living off them!

Plus all you have done is blaabed without 1 of those thousands of so called people who you are supporting not 1 link not 1 video just your word...Sorry to say in todays world evidence does matter not "coz you said it"

Sorry, buddy, but you are wrong. The WTC Towers were brought down by directed energy weapons. The author have 'Dr' in her title, so what she said must be true.

 

[Dubious]

This is how pathetic and absurd the 9/11 'Troofer' movement became...

Star Wars Energy Weapons 1

Dr. Judy Wood, whose resume includes engineering in dental implants and never large scale structures like tall buildings, essentially said that the WTC Towers mass were 'dissolved' by directed energy weapons from space.

The intellectual dishonesty by the 9/11 'Troofer' movement includes tactics like posting large reams of scientific sources intended to insinuate the authors of these real sciences sided with the movement. But if the other side posts their own scientific sources, the loonies derided those real science authors as being under the government's pay.

This is why the scientific community at large remains quiet about 9/11. The sciences are being misused and abused to the point of absurdity like directed energy weapons used to kill Americans and to frame the Muslims.


Sorry, buddy, but you are wrong. The WTC Towers were brought down by directed energy weapons. The author have 'Dr' in her title, so what she said must be true.

I never brought these forward nor ever knew about this....I now understand why you are blindly bashing anything I say coz you ready such quack answers and EXPECT (based on your assumptions) that others waste their time reading about such quack nonsense! kindly do go through the videos I posted starting page 4....then check what you posted and see the difference!

Keep an open mind your current attitude isnt going to show you as an intelligent individual!