9/11 : Then and now ( Photos )

[dray]

Already on this very thread I dont want to go over it 1 by 1 with each individual on the forum! If interested search it up!


I never said they hijacked! I just said that they made it bigger than need be!

Worst part of stretching the lie was the passport of a member in the plane which had crashed in the tower, plane blown up tower melted and collapsed with the man having his passport inside the plane with him survived! Man they should start making towers of the material the unscratched passport was made off!


Also on this thread - videos and testimonies from engineers and architects of America not even foreigners pointing it out! Heck even firemen on scene had a different story then bureaucrats

You can google or check it out on youtube!

1. Just mention the page number.

2. How exactly they made it bigger? How? What exactly you think they did to make it bigger?
And a passport is your evidence, lot's of things survive even after the most horrific accidents, what's new in it?

3. Why should US do that to itself? Motives are important, no country would execute something that horrific on itself just for fun, why do you think US would?

 

[Dubious]

1. Just mention the page number.

2. How exactly they made it bigger? How? What exactly you think they did to make it bigger?
And a passport is your evidence, lot's of things survive even after the most horrific accidents, what's new in it?

3. Why should US do that to itself? Motives are important, no country would execute something that horrific on itself just for fun, why do you think US would?

some were answered but whats stopping you from reading the thread?

start from page 4

 

[dray]

some were answered but whats stopping you from reading the thread?

start from page 4

I have already gone through it, didn't find what I was looking for, just three specific questions for you:

1. If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then a) who paid the claim, b) who received the claim, c) what was the claim amount. We can take this theory forward only if we have answers for these important questions.

2. If 9/11 was done by US govt. or US agencies, then a) How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent executing something that diabolical on their own to invade Afghanistan? b) US has invaded dozens of countries without inflicting self-injury to justify anything, why they would need to do something like 9/11 just to invade a war-torn barren piece of land?

3. What other possibilities you suggest that might have been used to bring down the buildings? Please elaborate.

 

[Dubious]

1. If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then a) who paid the claim, b) who received the claim, c) what was the claim amount. We can take this theory forward only if we have answers for these important questions.

if you said you read from page 4 ...you must have seen the video....there are few videos about an hr long I dont think you watched a single!

Your answers are in the videos! Some made by engineers some by architect All Americans...some by families of the victims

Why not ask them what their govt did that they feel to make such videos?!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I have already gone through it, didn't find what I was looking for, just three specific questions for you:

1. If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then a) who paid the claim, b) who received the claim, c) what was the claim amount. We can take this theory forward only if we have answers for these important questions.

2. If 9/11 was done by US govt. or US agencies, then a) How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent executing something that diabolical on their own to invade Afghanistan? b) US has invaded dozens of countries without inflicting self-injury to justify anything, why they would need to do something like 9/11 just to invade a war-torn barren piece of land?

3. What other possibilities you suggest that might have been used to bring down the buildings? Please elaborate.

You will now go in circles.

 

[dray]

if you said you read from page 4 ...you must have seen the video....there are few videos about an hr long I dont think you watched a single!

Your answers are in the videos! Some made by engineers some by architect All Americans...some by families of the victims

Why not ask them what their govt did that they feel to make such videos?!

As I said, I have already gone through it, didn't find what I was looking for, just three specific questions for you:

1. If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then a) who paid the claim, b) who received the claim, c) what was the claim amount. We can take this theory forward only if we have answers for these important questions.

2. If 9/11 was done by US govt. or US agencies, then a) How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent executing something that diabolical on their own to invade Afghanistan? b) US has invaded dozens of countries without inflicting self-injury to justify anything, why they would need to do something like 9/11 just to invade a war-torn barren piece of land?

3. What other possibilities you suggest that might have been used to bring down the buildings? Please elaborate.

You will now go in circles.

I know, I have previous experience on 26/11 with the same member.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I know, I have previous experience on 26/11 with the same member.

I admire your perseverance. But I shake my head at the apparent futility of the whole exercise.

 

[Dubious]

As I said, I have already gone through it, didn't find what I was looking for, just three specific questions for you:

1. If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then a) who paid the claim, b) who received the claim, c) what was the claim amount. We can take this theory forward only if we have answers for these important questions.

2. If 9/11 was done by US govt. or US agencies, then a) How important Afghanistan is for US that they have to go to the extent executing something that diabolical on their own to invade Afghanistan? b) US has invaded dozens of countries without inflicting self-injury to justify anything, why they would need to do something like 9/11 just to invade a war-torn barren piece of land?

3. What other possibilities you suggest that might have been used to bring down the buildings? Please elaborate.



I know, I have previous experience on 26/11 with the same member.

if you had gone through even 1 of the videos I guarantee you ...you wont be asking questions already answered

 

[dray]

if you had gone through even 1 of the videos I guarantee you ...you wont be asking questions already answered

I have been seeing this thread for hours now...there are just some ranting in those videos about different conspiracy theories without any concrete substantive proof, nothing else. Okay, we will go one by one....just answer in three small words for my first question, we will go to the 2nd and 3rd question later:

If 9/11 was done for insurance money, then

a) who paid the insurance claim?

b) who received the claim?

c) what was the claim amount?

I am just trying to learn from you...I hope you won't disappoint me.

I admire your perseverance. But I shake my head at the apparent futility of the whole exercise.

I am just trying to save my countrymen Ram singh, Shyam singh, Duryodhan singh, etc. from the possible allegation of executing 9/11.

 

[Dubious]

some ranting

and here the discussion ends!

Bye!

 

[gambit]

Or maybe they cant answer coz they dont have an answer hence the silence....And more on my side loosing their jobs? I dont think so!

Right...So essentially, the US government paid off or threatened millions of scientifically minded people all over the world.

Or their silence shows they have no answer?!

Ever thought down that ally?

If you put together a jumbled mess of scientific sounding phrases and jargons and said you discovered the cure for cancer, and the medical community rolls their eyes at you but said nothing else, does that mean you are correct ? According to your world -- yes.

Nope but I never claimed it too so since you assumed I did so I threw it back at ya!

Here is what I said about YOU...

"Do not even try to present to US that you are an objective person."

That does not mean I said you represent US. You do have a reading comprehension problem.

Def not in America!

Yeah...And my English is better than yours.

No apparently thinking and reasoning isnt your forte!

yet in the report people denied there was an explosion @Oldman1 was shocked I talked of an explosion

The firemen in the video I posted on this thread talked of an explosion at building 7 where the plane never hit nor did jet fuel fall on it!

Again...Just because there is an explosion, that does not mean it came from a weapon or something deliberately designed to explode.

Fireworks and firearms are designed to explode. An industrial capacitor was not designed to explode but under specific circumstances and environmental conditions, its constructions will make it explode. WTC 7 was already under fire from debris from the damaged main towers. Further, just because there is a sound of an explosion, that does not mean it came from an explosion. There are plenty of sounds that comes from breaking things that will be perceived as an explosion.

Yeah...Thinking and reasoning is definitely not your forte.

You see individual events and pieces are possible but when stitched together they form a different story!

This describe you and your kind perfectly.

Pieces of man would be blood, skin samples and other stuff....As for identification you would need an uncooked sample....

Now getting a passport intact from a plane that now you are saying whose capacitor might have blown up to cause the building to blow outward.....that fire which melted the steel in the building didnt melt passport is really impossible....Had the passport been in the building and it had been blown out it might be significantly saved....But it was in the plane with the passenger coz that is how you board a plane - with a passport....and nothing much was recovered from the plane....and nothing much survived from the passengers....burning plane, exploding plane in a burning tower which collapsed but the passport survived and I am the conspiracy theorist?

You do not know where the passport and other light items were during the crash. Steel were not melted. Some things would be destroyed if they are at the immediate vicinity of the fire, but for lightweight items that are some distance away, the expanding force of the explosion would propel those items away from the area.

You said "nothing much was recovered from the plane....and nothing much survived from the passengers" and clearly is false. Pieces of the aircrafts, large and small, were recovered and many of them intact enough that we can read their part and serial IDs. There were enough human tissues, large and small, that we got fingerprints and even unique body markings that families used to ID their people.

Yeah...Thinking and reasoning is definitely not your forte.

 

[Dubious]

Right...So essentially, the US government paid off or threatened millions of scientifically minded people all over the world.

did I say that? or even mean that?

who all over the world has said what you claim is sound science? You yourself ignored thousands of engineers and architect from America - American citizens but told me to just listen to the lead engineer and even his words had holes which others pointed out in the video I posted which you didnt see!

So ONLY people singing your words are people who came on tv to support it who are still employed by the govt....

If you put together a jumbled mess of scientific sounding phrases and jargons and said you discovered the cure for cancer, and the medical community rolls their eyes at you but said nothing else, does that mean you are correct ? According to your world -- yes.

I am sorry you didnt understand the technical words....or bothered to look them up....Do you want a dumbed down version of their videos? I am sure you can google that considering net is faster in the US!

"Do not even try to present to US that you are an objective person."

That does not mean I said you represent US. You do have a reading comprehension problem.

No but I asked are you representing US?
The comprehension problem seems like yours!

These are my exact words:

Who are you the defender of US? Same chicken who abandoned his own country?

As for representing US? I am putting videos OF AMERICAN people not myself! Kindly do get educated!

Yes the representing was wrong it was presenting to US...I am not presenting to US anything AMERICANS are presenting to US!

Again...Just because there is an explosion, that does not mean it came from a weapon or something deliberately designed to explode.

at first you were denying the explosion altogether now you accept it? give it time you might accept more things as they surface!

I dont have the patience to repeat everything I said to each individual!

To each his own!

 

[gambit]

Even the way the building fell didn't look natural at all. Like a plane can't take it down in a uniform straight line. IF it was going to fall then the top part of the tower should have leaned and fell off. You need to be a complete retard to believe that a plane can take down a tower in a straight line. If the whole building should have fell then it should have shook or something. It just instantly fell. It was the most unnatural event I have seen. Sad to see so many people actually fell for it though.

Did not look 'natural', eh ?

Then take a look at this absolutely unnatural action...

Does that look like 'natural' flying to you ?

I have been at the controls of prop jobbers before when I was taking flying lessons in high school. I have never seen any propeller driven fixed wings aircrafts hover and maneuvers like the one in the video above. Have you ?

And yet...What that radio controlled scaled model airplane did was completely within the laws of physics and aerodynamics.

Your comment about what looks 'natural' is revealing of your ignorance of science and lack of critical thinking skills.

 

[Dubious]

You do not know where the passport and other light items were during the crash

so the passport was not in the plane? The guy boarded the plane without a passport which was discovered in the rubles??


And I am the one with the conspiracy theory?

WTC 7 was already under fire from debris from the damaged main towers.

news reports say otherwise!

They say if you had bothered watching a single video....the news reported that no plane nor jet fuel was on tower 7 and yet it fell exactly like the other towers!

 

[gambit]

did I say that? or even mean that?

What else could it mean ? You are essentially saying that if people do not respond to you, the default position is that you are correct and that they fears for their jobs. The thought that your assumptions maybe wrong is not even considered.

who all over the world has said what you claim is sound science? You yourself ignored thousands of engineers and architect from America - American citizens but told me to just listen to the lead engineer and even his words had holes which others pointed out in the video I posted which you didnt see!

So ONLY people singing your words are people who came on tv to support it who are still employed by the govt....

This is the 21st century, son. Use the American invention call the Internet to find out how many people all over the world do not take you and your type seriously.

Even to this day, your kind still using the debunked argument of 'pull it' as spoken by Silverstein. The loony conspiracy theorists asserted that the word 'pull' is used by the demolition community to detonate the explosives. But that is false as testified by those in the demolition community themselves...

NOVA Online/Kaboom!/Loizeaux Interview

To sum up the link above...

To actually bring down a structure, the correct word is 'drop'.

NOVA: Can you describe the prep work that goes into dropping a building.

To actually detonate the explosives, the correct word is 'shoot'.

SL: Our biggest problem, when we come right down to the wire with shooting buildings, is ground control.

And while the word 'pull' does exist in the demolition community, to 'pull' means to influence the initial movement of the structure, NOT to detonate any explosives.

SL: Well, you just pull it away, you peel it off. If you have room in the opposite direction, you just let the building sort of melt down in that direction and it will pull itself completely away from the building. It can be done.

This is why the demolition business do not take your side and they are silent about 9/11. They know that what your kind said about their business is BS, as proven above. You take what Silverstein said and twists his words to suit your preconceived notions. This is despite the availability of demolition experts to testify on what words and phrases are appropriate to their business. You do not care about real science.

I am sorry you didnt understand the technical words....or bothered to look them up....Do you want a dumbed down version of their videos? I am sure you can google that considering net is faster in the US!

I understand them better than you do, kid.

No but I asked are you representing US?
The comprehension problem seems like yours!

These are my exact words:

Yes the representing was wrong it was presenting to US...I am not presenting to US anything AMERICANS are presenting to US!

Fine...Then we have a minor misunderstanding. Seems common enough with debating technical issues with those uneducated in the sciences -- like you.

at first you were denying the explosion altogether now you accept it? give it time you might accept more things as they surface!

I never denied there were explosions. I only pointed out that just because there is an explosion, that does not mean it must come from something deliberately designed to explode. A sound of an explosion does not equal to the existence of trinitrotoluene (TNT). Gasoline can explode but only in fine vapor form and ignited. A battery is an energy storage device that uses chemicals that under fire will explode, but the battery was not originally designed to explode.

But your simple and scientifically uneducated mind, an explosion can only come from explosives.

I dont have the patience to repeat everything I said to each individual!

To each his own!

Exactly...That is why real honest scientists and engineers do not take your kind seriously. Their collective silence speaks loud enough of the contempt they have for your kind.

so the passport was not in the plane? The guy boarded the plane without a passport which was discovered in the rubles??


And I am the one with the conspiracy theory?


news reports say otherwise!

They say if you had bothered watching a single video....the news reported that no plane nor jet fuel was on tower 7 and yet it fell exactly like the other towers!

There is no possible saving for your mind. It is long gone...