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8 Submarines from China and 4 from western source and total of 5 ATR as far I heard.
8 Chinese submarines approval & used western subs talks
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8 Submarines from China and 4 from western source and total of 5 ATR as far I heard.
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Never under estimate ENEMY.Only ISI knows the true numbers and it's preparedness.
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No one is paying for any of the stuff. We have enough funds to pay for all that, and btw its not going to be paid upfront tomorrow morning. Economy has improved, is on the right track and will improve further. Let the government work, things will improve further.
All thanks to a sensible, patriotic government.
and sinks them in it's own harbour!
any problem?
Pakistan have enough resources to pay but because of political mismanagement and corruption they just filled their Swiss bank account
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God created the world and the rest was made in China meri jan....Before laughing check out your processor whether it's Chinese not....!!Chinese
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Pakistan nears deal to buy 8 Chinese submarines
Farhan Bokhari in Quetta and Charles Clover in Beijing
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The most expensive Chinese arms export deal in history appeared set to go ahead on Wednesday after Pakistan’s government approved a deal to buy eight submarines from Beijing.
Although officials from Pakistan’s navy neither gave a price tag nor revealed the types of submarines being pursued, they confirmed a decision “in principle” during a hearing of the defence committee in the lower house of parliament in Islamabad.
A former senior Pakistan navy officer with knowledge of the negotiations told the Financial Times the contract could be worth $4bn-$5bn. “China has agreed once again to step in to fill a major strategic gap,” he said. “It was about time we placed an order.”
However, Chinese analysts valued the deal at less than half that amount.
The estimate of $4bn-$5bn is on par with the estimated cost of six French submarines bought by India in 2005, which cost $4bn-$4.5bn when they were delivered in 2010, according to Siemon Wezeman, an expert on the international arms market at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Mr Wezeman said the Pakistan deal was likely to be China’s biggest arms sale, eclipsing a deal for 50 JF-17 fighter jets bought by Pakistan in 2010 for more than $1bn.
Islamabad has long been Beijing’s top arms customer, driving China’s emergence as a major exporter of military hardware. Pakistan bought more than 40 per cent of China’s arms exports over the past five years, according to research by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
China’s arms exports surged 143 per cent over the same period, making it the world’s third-largest arms exporter, behind only the US and Russia.
Defence analysts in Islamabad say Beijing may have agreed to the submarines deal to help counter the perceived threat from India, amid fears the country is building its navy to claim a presence in the Pacific.
“China has its own strategic reasons to help Pakistan in this area,” said Ali Sarwar Naqvi, a former senior Pakistani diplomat. “As India prepares to head in to the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese are looking to head in to the Indian Ocean.”
Ian Storey, a security expert at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, agreed that there was clear strategic rationale for the deal.
“India has been modernising and expanding its navy for over a decade now,” he said. “While Pakistan can never close the gap between its own and India’s conventional armed forces, submarines would provide the Pakistan Navy with a credible deterrent.”
Other senior navy officers say Pakistan’s current fleet of five French Agosta submarines, including two ageing vessels built in the 1970s, will by the next decade be insufficient to meet the challenge posed by the planned naval expansion of India, Pakistan’s neighbour and main foe.
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a Pakistani military expert, cautioned that it was too early to say the deal marked a deepening of Beijing’s already strong defence and security ties with Islamabad. “At this stage, we don’t know the exact financial terms and unless we know the financial terms we can’t be certain about the significance of this order,” he said. “Still, it’s an important contract for Pakistan.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2c22012-d845-11e4-ba53-00144feab7de.html#axzz3W4BQOQdH
Farhan Bokhari in Quetta and Charles Clover in Beijing
The most expensive Chinese arms export deal in history appeared set to go ahead on Wednesday after Pakistan’s government approved a deal to buy eight submarines from Beijing.
Although officials from Pakistan’s navy neither gave a price tag nor revealed the types of submarines being pursued, they confirmed a decision “in principle” during a hearing of the defence committee in the lower house of parliament in Islamabad.
A former senior Pakistan navy officer with knowledge of the negotiations told the Financial Times the contract could be worth $4bn-$5bn. “China has agreed once again to step in to fill a major strategic gap,” he said. “It was about time we placed an order.”
However, Chinese analysts valued the deal at less than half that amount.
The estimate of $4bn-$5bn is on par with the estimated cost of six French submarines bought by India in 2005, which cost $4bn-$4.5bn when they were delivered in 2010, according to Siemon Wezeman, an expert on the international arms market at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Mr Wezeman said the Pakistan deal was likely to be China’s biggest arms sale, eclipsing a deal for 50 JF-17 fighter jets bought by Pakistan in 2010 for more than $1bn.
Islamabad has long been Beijing’s top arms customer, driving China’s emergence as a major exporter of military hardware. Pakistan bought more than 40 per cent of China’s arms exports over the past five years, according to research by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
China’s arms exports surged 143 per cent over the same period, making it the world’s third-largest arms exporter, behind only the US and Russia.
Defence analysts in Islamabad say Beijing may have agreed to the submarines deal to help counter the perceived threat from India, amid fears the country is building its navy to claim a presence in the Pacific.
“China has its own strategic reasons to help Pakistan in this area,” said Ali Sarwar Naqvi, a former senior Pakistani diplomat. “As India prepares to head in to the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese are looking to head in to the Indian Ocean.”
Ian Storey, a security expert at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, agreed that there was clear strategic rationale for the deal.
“India has been modernising and expanding its navy for over a decade now,” he said. “While Pakistan can never close the gap between its own and India’s conventional armed forces, submarines would provide the Pakistan Navy with a credible deterrent.”
Other senior navy officers say Pakistan’s current fleet of five French Agosta submarines, including two ageing vessels built in the 1970s, will by the next decade be insufficient to meet the challenge posed by the planned naval expansion of India, Pakistan’s neighbour and main foe.
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a Pakistani military expert, cautioned that it was too early to say the deal marked a deepening of Beijing’s already strong defence and security ties with Islamabad. “At this stage, we don’t know the exact financial terms and unless we know the financial terms we can’t be certain about the significance of this order,” he said. “Still, it’s an important contract for Pakistan.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2c22012-d845-11e4-ba53-00144feab7de.html#axzz3W4BQOQdH
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Pakistan in talks with China 'for eight submarines'
China is marketing the Type 041 SSK overseas as the S20. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen
The Pakistani government has approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China, senior Pakistan Navy officers told the National Assembly's defence committee on 31 March.
In 2011 the government revealed that the navy had begun discussions with China to buy six submarines, with the number of platforms subsequently raised to eight. Those discussions began after the Pakistan Navy stepped back from pursuing the purchase of three submarines from Germany on cost grounds.
The navy officials who spoke on 31 March neither revealed the type of boats to be ordered nor a likely price.
A Pakistani Foreign Ministry official told IHS Jane's that while he did not know which platform would be supplied to Pakistan, "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines".
The Type 041 'Yuan' class is described by IHS Jane's Fighting Ships as a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes.
Since 2004 12 Type 041 submarines are believed to have been launched, while the US Department of Defense estimated in its May 2013 annual report to Congress on China's military that production could reach 20 ships. An export version, marketed as the S20 and unveiled in February 2013, displaces about 2,300 tonnes.
The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.
Lieutenant General Talat Masood (retd), who is now a commentator on defence affairs, told IHS Jane's it was "difficult to imagine a price of less than USD500 million per submarine, if not more". By comparison IHS Jane's DS Forecast notes that the Indian Navy is paying USD763 million per boat for six DCNS Scorpene SSKs.
Masood said that in view of the close defence collaboration that exists between China and Pakistan, Beijing was likely to extend a long-term loan, possibly at a low interest rate, to cover the cost of the Type 041s.
Pakistan in talks with China 'for eight submarines' - IHS Jane's 360
China is marketing the Type 041 SSK overseas as the S20. Source: IHS/Patrick Allen
The Pakistani government has approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China, senior Pakistan Navy officers told the National Assembly's defence committee on 31 March.
In 2011 the government revealed that the navy had begun discussions with China to buy six submarines, with the number of platforms subsequently raised to eight. Those discussions began after the Pakistan Navy stepped back from pursuing the purchase of three submarines from Germany on cost grounds.
The navy officials who spoke on 31 March neither revealed the type of boats to be ordered nor a likely price.
A Pakistani Foreign Ministry official told IHS Jane's that while he did not know which platform would be supplied to Pakistan, "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines".
The Type 041 'Yuan' class is described by IHS Jane's Fighting Ships as a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes.
Since 2004 12 Type 041 submarines are believed to have been launched, while the US Department of Defense estimated in its May 2013 annual report to Congress on China's military that production could reach 20 ships. An export version, marketed as the S20 and unveiled in February 2013, displaces about 2,300 tonnes.
The PN is known to operate five French submarines: three Agosta 90B (Khalid-class) submarines purchased in the 1990s and two ageing Agosta 70 (Hashmat-class) boats dating from the late 1970s.
Lieutenant General Talat Masood (retd), who is now a commentator on defence affairs, told IHS Jane's it was "difficult to imagine a price of less than USD500 million per submarine, if not more". By comparison IHS Jane's DS Forecast notes that the Indian Navy is paying USD763 million per boat for six DCNS Scorpene SSKs.
Masood said that in view of the close defence collaboration that exists between China and Pakistan, Beijing was likely to extend a long-term loan, possibly at a low interest rate, to cover the cost of the Type 041s.
Pakistan in talks with China 'for eight submarines' - IHS Jane's 360
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a2c22012-d845-11e4-ba53-00144feab7de.html#axzz3W4wdyv9L
Farhan Bokhari in Quetta and Charles Clover in Beijing
The most expensive Chinese arms export deal in history appeared set to go ahead on Wednesday after Pakistan’s government approved a deal to buy eight submarines from Beijing.
Although officials from Pakistan’s navy neither gave a price tag nor revealed the types of submarines being pursued, they confirmed a decision “in principle” during a hearing of the defence committee in the lower house of parliament in Islamabad.
A former senior Pakistan navy officer with knowledge of the negotiations told the Financial Times the contract could be worth $4bn-$5bn. “China has agreed once again to step in to fill a major strategic gap,” he said. “It was about time we placed an order.”
However, Chinese analysts valued the deal at less than half that amount.
The estimate of $4bn-$5bn is on par with the estimated cost of six French submarines bought by India in 2005, which cost $4bn-$4.5bn when they were delivered in 2010, according to Siemon Wezeman, an expert on the international arms market at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Mr Wezeman said the Pakistan deal was likely to be China’s biggest arms sale, eclipsing a deal for 50 JF-17 fighter jets bought by Pakistan in 2010 for more than $1bn.
Islamabad has long been Beijing’s top arms customer, driving China’s emergence as a major exporter of military hardware. Pakistan bought more than 40 per cent of China’s arms exports over the past five years, according to research by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
China’s arms exports surged 143 per cent over the same period, making it the world’s third-largest arms exporter, behind only the US and Russia.
Defence analysts in Islamabad say Beijing may have agreed to the submarines deal to help counter the perceived threat from India, amid fears the country is building its navy to claim a presence in the Pacific.
“China has its own strategic reasons to help Pakistan in this area,” said Ali Sarwar Naqvi, a former senior Pakistani diplomat. “As India prepares to head in to the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese are looking to head in to the Indian Ocean.”
Ian Storey, a security expert at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, agreed that there was clear strategic rationale for the deal.
“India has been modernising and expanding its navy for over a decade now,” he said. “While Pakistan can never close the gap between its own and India’s conventional armed forces, submarines would provide the Pakistan Navy with a credible deterrent.”
Other senior navy officers say Pakistan’s current fleet of five French Agosta submarines, including two ageing vessels built in the 1970s, will by the next decade be insufficient to meet the challenge posed by the planned naval expansion of India, Pakistan’s neighbour and main foe.
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a Pakistani military expert, cautioned that it was too early to say the deal marked a deepening of Beijing’s already strong defence and security ties with Islamabad. “At this stage, we don’t know the exact financial terms and unless we know the financial terms we can’t be certain about the significance of this order,” he said. “Still, it’s an important contract for Pakistan.”
April Fools?
Farhan Bokhari in Quetta and Charles Clover in Beijing
The most expensive Chinese arms export deal in history appeared set to go ahead on Wednesday after Pakistan’s government approved a deal to buy eight submarines from Beijing.
Although officials from Pakistan’s navy neither gave a price tag nor revealed the types of submarines being pursued, they confirmed a decision “in principle” during a hearing of the defence committee in the lower house of parliament in Islamabad.
A former senior Pakistan navy officer with knowledge of the negotiations told the Financial Times the contract could be worth $4bn-$5bn. “China has agreed once again to step in to fill a major strategic gap,” he said. “It was about time we placed an order.”
However, Chinese analysts valued the deal at less than half that amount.
The estimate of $4bn-$5bn is on par with the estimated cost of six French submarines bought by India in 2005, which cost $4bn-$4.5bn when they were delivered in 2010, according to Siemon Wezeman, an expert on the international arms market at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
Mr Wezeman said the Pakistan deal was likely to be China’s biggest arms sale, eclipsing a deal for 50 JF-17 fighter jets bought by Pakistan in 2010 for more than $1bn.
Islamabad has long been Beijing’s top arms customer, driving China’s emergence as a major exporter of military hardware. Pakistan bought more than 40 per cent of China’s arms exports over the past five years, according to research by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
China’s arms exports surged 143 per cent over the same period, making it the world’s third-largest arms exporter, behind only the US and Russia.
Defence analysts in Islamabad say Beijing may have agreed to the submarines deal to help counter the perceived threat from India, amid fears the country is building its navy to claim a presence in the Pacific.
“China has its own strategic reasons to help Pakistan in this area,” said Ali Sarwar Naqvi, a former senior Pakistani diplomat. “As India prepares to head in to the Pacific Ocean, the Chinese are looking to head in to the Indian Ocean.”
Ian Storey, a security expert at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore, agreed that there was clear strategic rationale for the deal.
“India has been modernising and expanding its navy for over a decade now,” he said. “While Pakistan can never close the gap between its own and India’s conventional armed forces, submarines would provide the Pakistan Navy with a credible deterrent.”
Other senior navy officers say Pakistan’s current fleet of five French Agosta submarines, including two ageing vessels built in the 1970s, will by the next decade be insufficient to meet the challenge posed by the planned naval expansion of India, Pakistan’s neighbour and main foe.
Hasan Askari Rizvi, a Pakistani military expert, cautioned that it was too early to say the deal marked a deepening of Beijing’s already strong defence and security ties with Islamabad. “At this stage, we don’t know the exact financial terms and unless we know the financial terms we can’t be certain about the significance of this order,” he said. “Still, it’s an important contract for Pakistan.”
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Its not just the subs
There is a lot more to that 4 f22 frigrates. survaillance Planes for PN.
There is a lot more to that 4 f22 frigrates. survaillance Planes for PN.
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You would know about 'shop candy' wouldn't you? Because India did lease an Akula from Russia even when it had no expertise of its own to build a nuclear sub. Pakistan can easily do just the same, lease a nuclear sub from China for 10yrs and learn the ins and outs while working on an indigenous one.
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So, is the cost of one sub is 250 million$.
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Govt approves purchase of 8 Chinese submarines, six ATRs aircraft for Pakistan Navy
Army to follow policy of govt about Saudi-Yemen situation: defence secretary
ISLAMABAD – National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence was told on Tuesday that the army would follow the policy of the government relating to Saudi–Yemen conflict.
The meeting was also told that the government has approved the purchase of eight submarines from China while negotiations are also being held with different countries including Germany, Britain and France for the purchase of second hand submarines. Meeting of the standing committee was held here on Tuesday under the chairmanship of Shaikh Rohail Asghar. It was attended by the secretary defence, the additional secretary defence, the director general military land and other senior officials.
Additional Defence secretary Rear Admiral Mukhtar Khan said that National Security Committee has approved in principle the project to acquire eight Chinese submarines. Financial negotiations for the same are in advance stages. He further said that Pakistan navy requirement of special funds of $ 294 million to upgrade/induct ATRs aircraft has been approved by Ministry of Defence in consultation with the finance division. Summary has been submitted for approval of National Security Committee.
To a question, he informed that Pakistan Navy is also participating in the operation to bring the Pakistani Nationals from Yemen and for this purpose one ship of Pakistan Navy has already been moved towards Yemen and the second ship is ready for departure. The defence secretary said that different options are under consideration for evacuation of Pakistanis in Yemen. One option is to take the Pakistanis to Djibouti and then bring them by air to Pakistan.
There were heated exchanges between Pakistan Muslim League-N’s Junaid Anwar Chaudhry and Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s Kashwar Zehra over Pakistan’s support to Saudi Arabia. Chairman of the Committee said that Pakistan army should follow those who have destroyed peace in Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The committee members expressed their strong resentment for not being invited to Pakistan Day Parade.
Mahmood Khan Achakzai said that matter of acquisition of land in Swat for establishment of Cantonment be settled with the local people as there is great concern because their crops are being destroyed. The standing committee formed a sub committee comprising Mahmood Khan Achakzai, Musarrat Zeb and Saeed Khan to help settle the matter while Director General Military Lands promised to submit a report soon to the committee.
Govt approves purchase of 8 Chinese submarines, six ATRs aircraft for Pakistan Navy
Army to follow policy of govt about Saudi-Yemen situation: defence secretary
ISLAMABAD – National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence was told on Tuesday that the army would follow the policy of the government relating to Saudi–Yemen conflict.
The meeting was also told that the government has approved the purchase of eight submarines from China while negotiations are also being held with different countries including Germany, Britain and France for the purchase of second hand submarines. Meeting of the standing committee was held here on Tuesday under the chairmanship of Shaikh Rohail Asghar. It was attended by the secretary defence, the additional secretary defence, the director general military land and other senior officials.
Additional Defence secretary Rear Admiral Mukhtar Khan said that National Security Committee has approved in principle the project to acquire eight Chinese submarines. Financial negotiations for the same are in advance stages. He further said that Pakistan navy requirement of special funds of $ 294 million to upgrade/induct ATRs aircraft has been approved by Ministry of Defence in consultation with the finance division. Summary has been submitted for approval of National Security Committee.
To a question, he informed that Pakistan Navy is also participating in the operation to bring the Pakistani Nationals from Yemen and for this purpose one ship of Pakistan Navy has already been moved towards Yemen and the second ship is ready for departure. The defence secretary said that different options are under consideration for evacuation of Pakistanis in Yemen. One option is to take the Pakistanis to Djibouti and then bring them by air to Pakistan.
There were heated exchanges between Pakistan Muslim League-N’s Junaid Anwar Chaudhry and Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s Kashwar Zehra over Pakistan’s support to Saudi Arabia. Chairman of the Committee said that Pakistan army should follow those who have destroyed peace in Pakistan and other Islamic countries. The committee members expressed their strong resentment for not being invited to Pakistan Day Parade.
Mahmood Khan Achakzai said that matter of acquisition of land in Swat for establishment of Cantonment be settled with the local people as there is great concern because their crops are being destroyed. The standing committee formed a sub committee comprising Mahmood Khan Achakzai, Musarrat Zeb and Saeed Khan to help settle the matter while Director General Military Lands promised to submit a report soon to the committee.
Govt approves purchase of 8 Chinese submarines, six ATRs aircraft for Pakistan Navy
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