8,000 missiles from Israel part of Modi's $250-bn plan to take on China, Pakistan

[monitor]

India is close to signing two defense deals with Israel as it seeks to deepen ties with the Middle Eastern nation before Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit in July, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

The deals include anti-tank missiles and a naval air defense weapon system, the people said, asking not to be identified given the information is private. Still, the plan for the first trip to Israel by an Indian prime minister indicates that cooperation goes beyond Delhi’s status as the largest buyer of Israeli military hardware.

"The visit is a big milestone," said Shailesh Kumar, senior Asia analyst at political risk firm Eurasia Group. "Officials in both countries believe they face a common external threat: terrorism. Working with Israel fits into Modi’s bigger pivot of deeper relations with the U.S. given the U.S.-Israel friendship."

The deals for Spike anti-tank missiles for India’s army and Barak-8 air defense missiles for its navy are expected to be finalized in the next two months, the people said. The pacts are worth $1.5 billion, they said, and will see the delivery of the 8,000 missiles will begin two years after the contracts are signed.

They’re part of Modi’s $250-billion plan to modernize the armed forces by 2025 amid tensions with neighbors China and Pakistan.

The purchase of Spike missiles was approved by India’s Defence Acquisition Council in October 2014 and the Barak-8 purchase proposal was given the go-ahead in a meeting on April 3 this year, the people said. Defence Ministry spokesman Nitin Wakankar declined to comment on the deals.

Israel was the third-largest arms supplier to India in the three fiscal years ending March 2016, having bagged 10 deals worth a total of 76 billion rupees ($1 billion), according to an Indian parliament report. Only the U.S. and Russia have made more defense deals with India during the period.

"India-Israel ties have always been strong but never have they been widely publicized,” said Ankur Gupta, New Delhi-based vice-president for Aerospace and Defence at Ernst & Young. "There is great strength and value in this relationship as Israel is one of India’s foremost supplier of weapons and related high-end technology."

Since Modi came to power in May 2014, his government has shed his predecessors’ reservations on talking about India’s ties with Israel.

"India is gradually disengaging itself from its traditional and ideological foreign policy approach in the Middle East," said Alvite Singh Ningthoujam, a senior research associate at the Vivekananda International Foundation.

"It is also a clear message that India does not anymore have qualms in getting closer to Israel, and is wielding an independent foreign policy and not at the cost of its relations with any other countries in the region."

Billion Dollar Deal
The missile deals follow transactions finalized last week for India to obtain medium- and long-range surface-to-air missiles worth $2 billion.

The medium-range missile was developed for the Indian Army by IAI and India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation in collaboration with Israel’s RAFAEL and IAI/Elta, and included Indian companies like Bharat Electronics Ltd, Bharat Dynamics Ltd and Larsen & Toubro.

Both deals form part of Modi’s ‘Make in India’ program, designed to stimulate local production.

"These missile systems are key to adding to our strategic defense capabilities against platforms owned by our neighbors" including anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles, armed drones and modern fighter aircraft, said Anurag Garg, aerospace director at Strategy&, a PriceWaterhouse Coopers consultancy.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...deals-as-ties-deepen/articleshow/58138795.cms

Nothing significant yet sensational title. Barak missile development and purchase was going on for many times only new item is ATGM which also won after 1/2 years competition.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Make sure they can flyover mighty himalayas

Himalayas is not a challenge, it's an one way ticket...planes

Ah this is mighty China toy, it can fly to mars and come back so stop talking about Himalyas! Btw, does anyone has any doubt about Chinese quality products??

That's the best you can come with?

 

[jbond197]

That's the best you can come with?

I was serious.. I have no doubt it can fly to mars and come back!! Stop laughing on Chinese quality man!!

I remember there was a thread on this forum a few year back, where we had a collection of all the latest Chinese innovations!! I am sure if you try, you will find it yourself. Trust me after that you won't be laughing on anything Chinese!!

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You should be the last person questioning Soviet hardware of India- from Varyag to making another copy of Varyag- Buying a rusting ship and painting It to be your flagship-

And while India is a joint partner in PAK FA- China still has to by Su35 which was rejected by the Russian Airforce- must be an achievement on your part after spending 10 billion $$ on engine development program and still importing 3rd grade or 2nd grade Soviet engines- indeed god Job Russia and even better Job China-

It is not we who fantasize- Its China who is always scared and keeps "Warning"- Chinese got so concerned that previous Govt- even stopped naval exercise to make you feel better- But then there is a limit to baby sitting-

As of now Russia is still a partner in 5th gen fighter program and they are selling their nuclear attack submarine to India- In fact It is the Russia who have trained Indian submarine crew to operate such submarines long time back in 80s-



That little red book is this- are you even a Chinese-

If you were a real Chinese- you'd be crushed under the tank for this disrespect-

We don't question Soviet hardware, as matter of fact we love it during SOviet collapse, it's great opportunity for technological collection period for China ...Lol , Varyag is supposedly a floating casino , China was able to trick India and US of our real intention, imagine if India knew that we intend to convert Varyag into Laoning, India surely willing to pay 2 billions for it instead of 20 millions that we got as price tag. And thank to Varyag and all secret documents that we got during the deal, we're now fully capable to build it ourself while Indian INS Vikrant is still hanging in the shipyard waiting for foreign parts despite India claim to be the first nation in Asia to operate modern aircraft carriers...China has leapfrog India in no time on Carrier race LMAO

India is just a laugh stoke on PAKFA, Indians were not even allowed to get close to the fighter while Russia keep asking India to pour money into the program and to add insult to injury one Russian official said what India can do beside money . As for SU-35 you Indians are the one who cried and push to upgrade the SU-30MKI into super Sukoi to answer to China's SU-35 acquisition. Regardless if Russian airforce rejected or not, China interested into the super maneuverability of the SU-35 and some tactical electronic concept so in the future we can upgrade all our J-11s, J15 and J16...family...this is beyond Indian comprehension.

We're scare of India or maybe India just want to comfort itself? warning cost China nothing and it seems that India like to get warned . Sure Russia want to continue military cooperation with India, why refuse an easy money and milk as much as they could , and lol you Indian sure know better than Chineses regarding the little Mao's red book.

I was serious.. I have no doubt it can fly to mars and come back!! Stop laughing on Chinese quality man!!

I remember there was a thread on this forum a few year back, where we had a collection of all the latest Chinese innovations!! I am sure if you try, you will find it yourself. Trust me after that you won't be laughing on anything Chinese!!

I sincerely believe what you said since China's trade surplus with India is a good proof: Indians believe in Chinese's quality and love Chinese products , they wouldn't be able to find that in Planet Mars

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

We don't question Soviet hardware, as matter of fact we love it during SOviet collapse, it's great opportunity for technological collection period for China ...Lol , Varyag is supposedly a floating casino , China was able to trick India and US of our real intention, imagine if India knew that we intend to convert Varyag into Laoning, India surely willing to pay 2 billions for it instead of 20 millions that we got as price tag. And thank to Varyag and all secret documents that we got during the deal, we're now fully capable to build it ourself while Indian INS Vikrant is still hanging in the shipyard waiting for foreign parts despite India claim to be the first nation in Asia to operate modern aircraft carriers in Asia...China has leapfrog India in no time on Carrier race LMAO

India is just a laugh stoke on PAKFA, Indians were not even allow to get close to the fighter while Russia keep asking India to pour money into the program and to add insult to injury one Russian official said what India can do beside money . As for SU-35 you Indians are the one who cried and push to upgrade the SU-30MKI into super Sukoi to answer to China's SU-35 acquisition. Regardless if Russian airforce rejected or not, China interested into the super maneuverability of the SU-35 and some tactical electronic concept so in the future we can upgrade all our J-11s, J15 and J15...family...this is beyond Indian comprehension.

We're scare of India or maybe India just want to comfort itself? warning cost China nothing and it seems that India like to get warned . Sure Russia want to continue military cooperation with India, why refuse an easy money and milk as much as they could , and lol you Indian sure know better than Chineses regarding the little Mao's red book.

Good you shouldn't even think of questioning- since all of Chinese military stands upon those hardware only- India was never interested in a rusting ship- However China must be commended for paining this thing with all that rust around It-

Su30MKI is a different plane- It is customized with western systems- Super Su30 would exceed Su35 performance- However It is pending only due to negotiations on PAK FA-

PAK FA is going to be joint partnership- and not buyer seller like you have with Al-31 engines- China sure would be interseted in any plane with a "Working Engine" specially after spending 10 billion $$ over local engine development program and yet forced to by 2nd grade(soon to be 3rd grade) Al-31- On the contrary Indian negotiators are strongly demanding 5th gen- engine technology in PAF FA program-

Warning does make China appear insecure- specially If It is repeatedly done without any action- In India If any person does It he becomes a laughing stock- I am not saying China has become a laughing stock- however It seems like a Chinese thing to keep warning people-

Why me everyone knows about the red book how can we forget the epic revolution- Children jumping on paddy growth or Chinese reaching the moon climbing the same paddy- You guys are a Legend

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Good you shouldn't even think of questioning- since all of Chinese military stands upon those hardware only- India was never interested in a rusting ship- However China must be commended for paining this thing with all that rust around It-

Su30MKI is a different plane- It is customized with western systems- Super Su30 would exceed Su35 performance- However It is pending only due to negotiations on PAK FA-

PAK FA is going to be joint partnership- and not buyer seller like you have with Al-31 engines- China sure would be interseted in any plane with a "Working Engine" specially after spending 10 billion $$ over local engine development program and yet forced to by 2nd grade(soon to be 3rd grade) Al-31- On the contrary Indian negotiators are strongly demanding 5th gen- engine technology in PAF FA program-

Warning does make China appear insecure- specially If It is repeatedly done without any action- In India If any person does It he becomes a laughing stock- I am not saying China has become a laughing stock- however It seems like a Chinese thing to keep warning people-

Why me everyone knows about the red book how can we forget the epic revolution- Children jumping on paddy growth or Chinese reaching the moon climbing the same paddy- You guys are a Legend

Lol sure India is not interested in a true rusty Varyag carrier but a decommissioned Admiral Gorshkov and pay a heavy price to frankensteined it into Vikramattiya , it's a saying that People always feel resentful for something it couldn't get and say bad thing about it to comfort themselves .

And I lol'ed about your Super Su-30, probably it gonna be frankensteined with a lot of "bricolage", I still question the combat effectiveness of this super SU-30 upgrade with mixing western and Russian sub-system while Su-35 was designed from the sketching board .

PAK FA is joint partnership? then while India is still requesting for full TOT, there is no different form buyer/seller deal since Russia only allow India to assemble without any TOT deal. lol you know how this 10 billions is been spread into the engine research...I'm pretty sure you know nothing about it? If China want to have a modern engine, it need upgraded engine research facilities and fundamental researches, US and Russia invested over hundred billions to get their engine, and you expect to get a top dog fighter engine just with 10 billions?

Warning doesn't mean a threat, threat mean a warning + possible action, you Indian seems to have confusion about this term , warning is just to lecture India and nothing else, and we do not feel insure just by lecturing India, and sure we're a legend with red book.. that's what our soldiers carried with them and won 1962 war

 

[Super Falcon]

War hysteria

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Lol sure India is not interested in a true rusty Varyag carrier but a decommissioned Admiral Gorshkov and pay a heavy price to frankensteined it into Vikramattiya , it's a saying that People always feel resentful for something it couldn't get and say bad thing about it to comfort themselves .

And I lol'ed about your Super Su-30, probably it gonna be frankensteined with a lot of "bricolage", I still question the combat effectiveness of this super SU-30 upgrade with mixing western and Russian sub-system while Su-35 was designed from the sketching board .

PAK FA is joint partnership? then while India is still requesting for full TOT, there is no different form buyer/seller deal since Russia only allow India to assemble without any TOT deal. lol you know how this 10 billions is been spread into the engine research...I'm pretty sure you know nothing about it? If China want to have a modern engine, it need upgraded engine research facilities and fundamental researches, US and Russia invested over hundred billions to get their engine, and you expect to get a top dog fighter engine just with 10 billions?

Warning doesn't mean a threat, threat mean a warning + possible action, you Indian seems to have confusion about this term , warning is just to lecture India and nothing else, and we do not feel insure just by lecturing India, and sure we're a legend with red book.. that's what our soldiers carried with them and won 1962 war

Decomissioned Groshkov- you must be out of your mind here- It was offered its old configuration for free- But India wanted It customized as per modern requirements- and as the Chinese saying goes-

"Don't build a new ship out of old wood"

However I doubt that would make any sense to you- while you are loathing over Varyag achievement-

Joint Partnership means exchanging the technical know how PAK FA is Russian development- FGFA is joint project- What Russia will allow or not allow is a thing of future- What I can tell is that they know Indians stick to the words of agreement and don't steal and copy like some others- About Su30MKI you can only lol- but It seems PLAAF is not loling when they rushed to buy Su35- While Russians are increasing the number of Su30SM(Russian version of MKI)- Who knows what would come out of Super Upgrade- but you can be sure It would be better than what China is buying- Like It was when China about Su27 and Su30mks-

I have an idea how this 10 billion $$ are being spent- specially with all the hot talk about local engine development and testing and yet ending up ordering Russian engines- May be China should order that from India- perhaps we would charge less- If you beg properly-

It appears that you Chinese are still living in 1962- lots of wind has blown out since then- 1967 happened soon after and then happened 1986 when India occupied a strategic valley north of Tawang- while China kept protesting about It- Even then your Deng was "Warning" India- As of today China still cannot sent patrols and make border posts in that Valley and Its northern ridge- While India sits comfortably overlooking It-

 

[Stuttgart001]

Decomissioned Groshkov- you must be out of your mind here- It was offered its old configuration for free- But India wanted It customized as per modern requirements- and as the Chinese saying goes-

However I doubt that would make any sense to you- while you are loathing over Varyag achievement-

Joint Partnership means exchanging the technical know how PAK FA is Russian development- FGFA is joint project- What Russia will allow or not allow is a thing of future- What I can tell is that they know Indians stick to the words of agreement and don't steal and copy like some others- About Su30MKI you can only lol- but It seems PLAAF is not loling when they rushed to buy Su35- While Russians are increasing the number of Su30SM(Russian version of MKI)- Who knows what would come out of Super Upgrade- but you can be sure It would be better than what China is buying- Like It was when China about Su27 and Su30mks-

I have an idea how this 10 billion $$ are being spent- specially with all the hot talk about local engine development and testing and yet ending up ordering Russian engines- May be China should order that from India- perhaps we would charge less- If you beg properly-

It appears that you Chinese are still living in 1962- lots of wind has blown out since then- 1967 happened soon after and then happened 1986 when India occupied a strategic valley north of Tawang- while China kept protesting about It- Even then your Deng was "Warning" India- As of today China still cannot sent patrols and make border posts in that Valley and Its northern ridge- While India sits comfortably overlooking It-

Wow, seems the mighty india which has a rented SSN and not a member of UNSC is going to invade China which is only a member of UNSC and has its own SSBN and SSN.
China is in danger and must ask USA for help.
Maybe US couldn't do anything to stop india.
That is why Chinese is pouring tons of cash in building spacecrafts, cause they are so scared of mighty india that going to run away by immigrating to Mars.

Dude, I'm 100% sure that you are the most favorite person of all people in PDF, cause you make everyone have an intellectual superiority.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Dude, I'm 100% sure that you are the most favorite person of all people in PDF, cause you make everyone have an intellectual superiority.

That Department is dedicated to the Chinese here- 108 IQ

 

[Stuttgart001]

That Department is dedicated to the Chinese here- 108 IQ

You are too humble to be an indian which is destined to be admired.
Please accept that honor, cause you are from a brave country that could invade a nation which has much more nukes and ICBMs.
Oh. Sorry for my mistake, India don't have ICBM for now. What a brave nation !
You indian do have guts.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Decomissioned Groshkov- you must be out of your mind here- It was offered its old configuration for free- But India wanted It customized as per modern requirements- and as the Chinese saying goes-

However I doubt that would make any sense to you- while you are loathing over Varyag achievement-

Joint Partnership means exchanging the technical know how PAK FA is Russian development- FGFA is joint project- What Russia will allow or not allow is a thing of future- What I can tell is that they know Indians stick to the words of agreement and don't steal and copy like some others- About Su30MKI you can only lol- but It seems PLAAF is not loling when they rushed to buy Su35- While Russians are increasing the number of Su30SM(Russian version of MKI)- Who knows what would come out of Super Upgrade- but you can be sure It would be better than what China is buying- Like It was when China about Su27 and Su30mks-

I have an idea how this 10 billion $$ are being spent- specially with all the hot talk about local engine development and testing and yet ending up ordering Russian engines- May be China should order that from India- perhaps we would charge less- If you beg properly-

It appears that you Chinese are still living in 1962- lots of wind has blown out since then- 1967 happened soon after and then happened 1986 when India occupied a strategic valley north of Tawang- while China kept protesting about It- Even then your Deng was "Warning" India- As of today China still cannot sent patrols and make border posts in that Valley and Its northern ridge- While India sits comfortably overlooking It-

LMAO, all people around the world has the great laugh of you Vikramatiya , sure India got it for free but have to pay 2.3 billions for customized service.

Keep begging properly Russia for full TOT with more money and Russia might grant the TOT on how to assemble with bolt and nuts . And don't flatter yourselves since when India is allowed to copy and past? the best India can do it's keep paying for IP and copy right.

Sorry we would like to well spend our 10 billions to reduce India's trade deficit with China but seem like that your engines had delayed your Tejas for over 30 years and you expect China to get delayed like India , we're not a "delay" culture country, your INS Vikrant is another delay example.

lol all the world knows 1962, never hear of 1967 it's a pure Indian fabrication to comfort themselves

 

[Mugwop]

The missiles are a gud purchase. Our air defence is in shambles.

What makes you say that?

 

[Kedardel]

What makes you say that?

I believe every Missile has a shelf life and in addition to that after some time the next gen threat comes in picture.
A few years ago our CAG (an independent audit organisation) reported shortcomings in our air defence. Since then we have added many new Air Defence systems but still India's air defence requirements are huge.
Israel technology is considered good by Indian armed forces so a good buy.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

You are too humble to be an indian which is destined to be admired.
Please accept that honor, cause you are from a brave country that could invade a nation which has much more nukes and ICBMs.
Oh. Sorry for my mistake, India don't have ICBM for now. What a brave nation !
You indian do have guts.

What has ICBM got to do with bravery- India has enough to reach Beijing, Shanghai etc- and we are okay with that as of now- Its better to invest in other important things like sending a satellite to Mars or launching 104 satellites from a single rocket and earning $$-

You seem to have issues with Indians- I can understand- you have my sympathies dear- not every Indian is like them-

LMAO, all people around the world has the great laugh of you Vikramatiya , sure India got it for free but have to pay 2.3 billions for customized service.

Keep begging properly Russia for full TOT with more money and Russia might grant the TOT on how to assemble with bolt and nuts . And don't flatter yourselves since when India is allowed to copy and past? the best India can do it's keep paying for IP and copy right.

Sorry we would like to well spend our 10 billions to reduce India's trade deficit with China but seem like that your engines had delayed your Tejas for over 30 years and you expect China to get delayed like India , we're not a "delay" culture country, your INS Vikrant is another delay example.

lol all the world knows 1962, never hear of 1967 it's a pure Indian fabrication to comfort themselves

Vikramaditya is a fully operational Ship- and not a training vessel- An functional aircraft carrier has lots of things other than the ship- like planes and helicopters for which you have to pay- Its not like a floating casino-

As of now- I am hearing that an agreement on Item 117 engine is being reached- Its better to co-operate and share the costs- than spending 10 billion $$ and still buying 2nd grade equipment- and further planning to spend 100 billion more- If money could buy everything Arabs would have all the Nobel prizes-

Its your problem- Its good to remember victories but even better to remember losses- It should never be forgotten- 1967 and 1986 both were instances when IA out maneuvered PLA to gain tactical advantages- I am sure your commanders would've learnt a lesson- Ours did after 1962-