4 More F22P coming up made in Pakistan

[khurasaan1]

I think the F22P platform will give us a good footholding into the frigate industry , modernize our fleet with ships that will surely last 30-40 years.

And Type 085 can be aquired as well by 2015 because our ships do need that enhanced defensive umberella from air threats

For me the ship has to have updated weapons and modern control and command and operations

But 8 F22P frigates will be healthy addition to our counter pirate initiatives along the border of Somalia Oman etc

Also it will allows us to better track any smugglers doing their bad stuff...

Now if we get 8 Mcinery frigates + 8 F22p I think then I can say thank to our allies we can call ourselves a decent navy

Not GREAT but satisfactory force and capable


The Chinese frigates will give us the ships we lack but the US ships will offer defence against submarine threats to our national interest

But step in right direction ...

8 F22P
8 Mcinery Frigates
4-5 old existing frigates

Should be a decent force in region

Now if we can also get some subs that would be enough for our defencive needs

They are not our allies bro.....if they were they wouldn't have started terrorism all over the world...plus US would have given Pak 8 Mchenry Class Frigates without charging even a penny...Yes! Instead they are allys in our death for sure...
just my 2 cents...

 

[bd_4_ever]

simple, because PN doesn't need one!
welll.....in other words u can say f-22p is a destroyer, thats because destroyer's job is to protect other ships from being attacked by air, subs, and ships.
and if u look at f-22p specs it has all three capabilities (limited though)

Bro, whatever you say....a frigate cannot do the work of a destroyer....

Frigate are comparatively faster than a destroyer and if you are to fight an 'agile' war, frigates are your first priority....and hence, its one of the main reason destroyers are deployed to protect military convoys, strategic fleets or carrier groups....you can check the link:-

Destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Though, i believe PN needs 1 or 2 new destroyers....shall be a good boost to the navy even though you dont have an AC to protect, PN can use it to escort military convoys on sea or attack on distant targets at times of war....moreover, some can even carry nuclear missiles....


Cheers!!!

 

[farhan_9909]

the new version of f22p is knwon as f23p

F-22P Zulfiquar class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and it will hav features of type 054A..and may be the diplacement also increse to atleast 3500 tonnes..

 

[Archie]

Well , both destroyers and frigates are essential , but destroyers tend to be far more expensive and heavier than frigates , they also have capability to fullfill most requirements of the navy , ie anti ship , anti submarine and anti aircraft warfare , as well as land attack , they can also carry 2-3 helicopters .
If we go by defination then a frigate is a surface combatant weighing between 2500 to 5000 tons
while destroyer is a principle surface combatant weighing 5000 to 9500 tons

However the gap between modern frigates and destroyers is shrinking , both in terms of fire power as well as weight

Many navies today are building frigates which would have been classified as destroyers 15 yrs ago
The Turkish navy is working on a design of a 6000ton frigates
The Australian Navy recently ordered 3 , 6000 ton frigates at the cost of 4.5 billion USD , these are considered to be one of the worlds most advanced and expensive frigates , they also carry the Aegis Combat system , worlds premier ship bourne Missile defence system , and which till about 5 yrs ago was only deployed on Destroyers
The Indian navy recently its newest class of frigates , the shiwalik class ,which weighs at 5800 tons and IS bigger and has more fire power than the 5000ton Rajput Class Destroyer.
Some one earlier said that F22P can play the role of destroyer , well it might be integrated with all the capability of destroyer however it will never be as capable as a destroyer , this is the reason why frigates generraly are good at 2-3 of the capabilities( anti ship , anti submarine and anti aircraft warfare , as well as land attack) They may be good at two , and poor at 2 , How ever like i said before modern frigates are capable of doing all that stuff , as good as a destroyer , but F22p , does not classify as that coz its too small to perform all the roles of destroyers , while the above mentioned frigates can


On a lighter note , why doesnt PN purchase some second hand destroyers from PLAN , i am sure they have several destroyers which are 25-30 yrs old , and PN should be able to purchase them at the cost of a new F22P Frigate

 

[Jazzbot]

good going PN..

 

[Penguin]

Its a bit funny why they are thinking now for uprgrades, F-22P are new, why they didnt add these upgrades before induction.

Because these are chinese built and hence equipped with chinese systems. Pakistan will be building more domestically, which gives the opportunity to replace certain items with more modern items, including from non-chinese sources (e.g. VL SAM options increase substantially, but think also C3I systems, sensors, EW/ECM/ESM etc)

 

[bd_4_ever]

On a lighter note , why doesnt PN purchase some second hand destroyers from PLAN , i am sure they have several destroyers which are 25-30 yrs old , and PN should be able to purchase them at the cost of a new F22P Frigate

IMO, buying destroyer is a big investment....2 new classes of destroyer is better than four 25-30 year old vintage ones....

But if numerical advantage is considered, then that might be an option....


Cheers!!!

 

[Penguin]

They are not our allies bro.....if they were they wouldn't have started terrorism all over the world...plus US would have given Pak 8 Mchenry Class Frigates without charging even a penny...Yes! Instead they are allys in our death for sure...
just my 2 cents...

At US$65 million, funded through US FMS, it IS virtually giving them away. Don't open your mouth (again) unless you know what you're talking about.

 

[Penguin]

On a lighter note , why doesnt PN purchase some second hand destroyers from PLAN , i am sure they have several destroyers which are 25-30 yrs old , and PN should be able to purchase them at the cost of a new F22P Frigate

THe only destroyers PLAN would have up for sale are the venerable Luda class ships. THat would actually be stepping back a generation.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well a destroyer is not urgent urgent for our needs , its not something we will not live with out for 5-6 years.

Pakistan Navy:
4 F-22P frigates (On Hand)
4 F-23P frigates (On Track)
8 OHP frigates (On Track)
6 Old Frigates (On Hand)
4 Turkish Corv (On Track)

A fleet of 22 Frigates would be enough for our defensive posture in region.

The need of 2-3 destroyers would be increased once India inducts its Aircraft carrier , to counter that we will surely need a missile umberella

The planes on the carrier will pose a danger to the frigate fleet the subs will be safe under water

The Orion Hunters from US obviously give us an edge over Indian Submarines

The major unbalancing factor will be the Migs on Carrier, but if we get 10-20 Carrier Hunter Missiles in our inventory or get 2-3 Destroyers
we will be in safe shape


Another factor could also be influnetial is if Pakistan develops its own Missile Surface to Air that can be used on its existing fleet it would be a major mile stone

 

[razgriz19]

Well a destroyer is not urgent urgent for our needs , its not something we will not live with out for 5-6 years.

Pakistan Navy:
4 F-22P frigates (On Hand)
4 F-23P frigates (On Track)
8 OHP frigates (On Track)
6 Old Frigates (On Hand)
4 Turkish Corv (On Track)

A fleet of 22 Frigates would be enough for our defensive posture in region.

The need of 2-3 destroyers would be increased once India inducts its Aircraft carrier , to counter that we will surely need a missile umberella

The planes on the carrier will pose a danger to the frigate fleet the subs will be safe under water

The Orion Hunters from US obviously give us an edge over Indian Submarines

The major unbalancing factor will be the Migs on Carrier, but if we get 10-20 Carrier Hunter Missiles in our inventory or get 2-3 Destroyers
we will be in safe shape

first of all, type 21 will be decomission in near future, and we are NOT pretty sure if future f-22p will be called "f-23p" meaning they MIGHT get upgrades...
and i can guarantee taht PN will reduce the number of OHP frigates..
because it will be a financial disaster!
keep in mind our military budget is not very big

 

[Penguin]

Well a destroyer is not urgent urgent for our needs , its not something we will not live with out for 5-6 years.

Pakistan Navy:
4 F-22P frigates (On Hand)
4 F-23P frigates (On Track)
8 OHP frigates (On Track)
6 Old Frigates (On Hand)
4 Turkish Corv (On Track)

A fleet of 22 Frigates would be enough for our defensive posture in region.

4 F22P onhand, 4 more (perhaps modified) are likely
1 OHP to arrive 2010, additional ones 2012/3, potential total up to 8 (but some may be used for spares, see Turkey)
6 old frigates, will be retired
4 turkish corvettte: remains do be seen.

Likely force 8+6+4=18 at most. Which would likely triple the need for trained crew. That's how easy.

The need of 2-3 destroyers would be increased once India inducts its Aircraft carrier , to counter that we will surely need a missile umberella

And what would a few destroyers do to redress the balance vv India? Nothing. Indian fleet composition has little to do with Pakistan.

The planes on the carrier will pose a danger to the frigate fleet the subs will be safe under water

Not if the frigates remain under landbased air cover. And beyond that, use subs.

The Orion Hunters from US obviously give us an edge over Indian Submarines

How so? Orions a good, but not a panacea.

The major unbalancing factor will be the Migs on Carrier, but if we get 10-20 Carrier Hunter Missiles in our inventory or get 2-3 Destroyers
we will be in safe shape

carrier hunting missiles !?!?!? you mean some special variety of anti-ship missiles?

Another factor could also be influnetial is if Pakistan develops its own Missile Surface to Air that can be used on its existing fleet it would be a major mile stone

Why on earth would you need to waste money developing a system of which there are plenty available commercially?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well we have aquired the knowledge to construct frigates and next logica step is to develop the know how on the command & control of the ships and weapons systems.

We hardly get any transfer of technology on such matters - obviously we dont have much info on it - perhaps we shoudl invest some time to look into it

Turkey has good expertise in that field and its logical we invest time into it to learn how it works perhaps we can develop a slightly bigger frigate in few years.

The destroyers 2-3 shoud be able to take out 20-30 Enemy planes with appropriate weapons on board, the rest can be taken care of my the Naval Mirage feet etc

The Aircraft carrier (anti) missiles are great cheap means to counter carrier

The problem in Pakistan is that our Airfroce & NAVY have their own duties , and Navy has limited planes under their command

The future MIG on Indian carriers will pose a challenge to the defensive needs of our frigate fleet , which can only be countered if we operated a naval (air wing of proportionate size)

or if we had destroyers which are just more lethal in term of air defences , which any fleet needs anyways

We are improving , but small slow steps at a time -

22 Frigates in our fleet is modest figure

Indian advantage in next battle will be the air wing of its navy - so unless we equip our ships with proper air defences or support from the air we will be sitting ducks , but same can be said about Indian carrirers.

The orions would be great in zone coverage in the big ocean - but with submarines its a cat and mouse game - but having the orion flying and protecting from subs threat is a good option

Which again , would come under threat from the Carrier Migs - so which again takes us back to the need for Appropriate destroyers in our fleet 2-3 min

Type 085 Chinese variant are logical move if we get it

 

[khurasaan1]

Pakistan must develop long range the antiAircraft Carrier Missile system Like Chinese did for 1000Km range and they are developing for 3000Km range to counter US Carrierz...This will keep Indians sitting as duck in any war scanario....

 

[khurasaan1]

Well a destroyer is not urgent urgent for our needs , its not something we will not live with out for 5-6 years.

Pakistan Navy:
4 F-22P frigates (On Hand)
4 F-23P frigates (On Track)
8 OHP frigates (On Track)
6 Old Frigates (On Hand)
4 Turkish Corv (On Track)

A fleet of 22 Frigates would be enough for our defensive posture in region.

The need of 2-3 destroyers would be increased once India inducts its Aircraft carrier , to counter that we will surely need a missile umberella

The planes on the carrier will pose a danger to the frigate fleet the subs will be safe under water

The Orion Hunters from US obviously give us an edge over Indian Submarines

The major unbalancing factor will be the Migs on Carrier, but if we get 10-20 Carrier Hunter Missiles in our inventory or get 2-3 Destroyers
we will be in safe shape


Another factor could also be influnetial is if Pakistan develops its own Missile Surface to Air that can be used on its existing fleet it would be a major mile stone

Yes Pak must develop G2A missile system like S400 in order to protect its skyz from any kindof threat...