36 aircrafts and 7 Helicopters for BD Armed forces

[Skull and Bones]

I like Yak-130, a makeshift CAS aircraft.

 

[idune]

since i joined in PDF, never saw ur contribution in military stuff. if u can not or have no knowledge about military stuff thats fine, we can teach you. But first do us a favor, stop ruining military threads with ur political thugs mind.

1) From the beginning first line of Bangladesh defense, BDR was destroyed.

2) Then Bangladesh army was weakened by killing 54 officers.

3) Then army officers who resented indo-Awami doctrine against Bangladesh defenses are either prosecuted or removed or sidelined to install with subservient and chapatti league officers.

Net result is weaken defense forces and overall defense commanded by either indian subservient or chapatti league officers. At this juncture Bangladesh defense forces are not for defense of Bangladesh from prevailing and future indian threat but on the way to be groomed as indian subservient and auxiliary force for indian defense doctrine in South Asia and against China.

In such backdrop purchasing $x billion worth of armament only means these will benefit indian defense doctrine of control of a subservient defense force.

That explains why 30 trainers are purchased when there is no plan or budget for such large or even proportionate purchase plan for fighter. This is just an example, there are many other acts of such deceptive purchase done that will not benefit defense capability but fund wasted on purpose to starve defense forces on future purchase. Not to mention Awami League regime political venture to buy some brownie point (and looting) from power centers.

That being said, you are utterly mistaken to make assumption no one but you understand defense matters. So please spare me and those who look into beneath the surface from your flimsy bully.
And do spare us from deceptive “billion dollar purchase” mantra which is only for superficial gullible.

 

[eastwatch]

Okay you answered it...i was too referring to Myanmar. Good to know it's been resolved! Bangladesh is in a relatively good position with little external pressures. Thats quite similar to being Switzerland in Europe

South-East asia is a quite peaceful region despite disagreements and disputes. Not much military action seen. But a disturbing trend is beginning to show up with US-China tussle for influence in SE Asia...due to which countries are aligning themselves with either one. How is Bangladesh posturing itself? Looks to me as leaning towards China just like Sri Lanka.

SE Asia is not that peaceful, but is not that dangerous as the west Asian countries are. There were heavy border battles between China and Vietnam. There are also battles between Cambodian and Thai troops. Once Vietnam tried to overwhelm both Laos and Cambodia with its superior troops.

There is also time to time border conflicts between Thailand and Burma. There is territorial sea conflict (not fighting, but conflict) between China and the Philippines. Most issues are old blood feuds such as it is between India and Pakistan.

Most of SE Asian countries are leaning towards USA except BD and Burma.

 

[BDforever]

1) From the beginning first line of Bangladesh defense, BDR was destroyed.

2) Then Bangladesh army was weakened by killing 54 officers.

3) Then army officers who resented indo-Awami doctrine against Bangladesh defenses are either prosecuted or removed or sidelined to install with subservient and chapatti league officers.

Net result is weaken defense forces and overall defense commanded by either indian subservient or chapatti league officers. At this juncture Bangladesh defense forces are not for defense of Bangladesh from prevailing and future indian threat but on the way to be groomed as indian subservient and auxiliary force for indian defense doctrine in South Asia and against China.

In such backdrop purchasing $x billion worth of armament only means these will benefit indian defense doctrine of control of a subservient defense force.

That explains why 30 trainers are purchased when there is no plan or budget for such large or even proportionate purchase plan for fighter. This is just an example, there are many other acts of such deceptive purchase done that will not benefit defense capability but fund wasted on purpose to starve defense forces on future purchase. Not to mention Awami League regime political venture to buy some brownie point (and looting) from power centers.

That being said, you are utterly mistaken to make assumption no one but you understand defense matters. So please spare me and those who look into beneath the surface from your flimsy bully.
And do spare us from deceptive “billion dollar purchase” mantra which is only for superficial gullible.

1. BDR and Army got huge damage no doubt on that, but it does not mean those forces are completely destroyed.
2. According to ur logic, just because 75 army personals died and BDR got affected, no procurement should be made ? ! ! what kind of logic is that ! ! LOOOOOOOL.
3. Army is made of 3,50,000 personals. so even u control top rank, soon or later it will go out of ur control. Come out of your hilarious logic.
4. bold part: how do u know there is no plan to purchase large number fighter aircrafts ? Is procurement plans goes through you, so you know the plan hahahaha.

 

[BDforever]

I referred you to my old posts that I mentioned BAF is more into Flankers and Fulcrum, neither FC-1 nor J-10A/B has been offered at all. hindustan will be able to counter any and all say future Flankers since their Mig-29s and later "Rafales" and Flankers are highly modernized and under modernization program, sending in combination of Rafales/Mig-29 and or Flankers would end the Job, their doctrine is to over whelm the adversary in that case a few BAF Flankers/Fulcrums would crumble.

But interestingly as mass production of J-10B starts and inducts in PLAF sometimes in 2020 not far 6 years from now upgraded refurbished J-10As would be best choice next to J-10B, there is no doubt J-10A can heavily be upgraded with better radar/ew suite etc but still it depends on Chinese decision makers to sell/offer.



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Bro I will not give long post. Pakistan has big military budget than Bangladesh. Pakistan can keep a various types of aircraft inventory. Some are primary defenders and some are secondary defenders.
JF-17 main objective was to replace aging Mig 21. Your primary aircraft is F-16. We can not think about primary - secondary aircrafts. JF-17 block 1 was not that much impressive in specifications. Do not know about block2 and further block 3.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Bro I will not give long post. Pakistan has big military budget than Bangladesh. Pakistan can keep a various types of aircraft inventory. Some are primary defenders and some are secondary defenders.
JF-17 main objective was to replace aging Mig 21. Your primary aircraft is F-16. We can not think about primary - secondary aircrafts. JF-17 block 1 was not that much impressive in specifications. Do not know about block2 and further block 3.

Contrary to the popular belief, JF-17 is going to be the workhorse fighter and primary type in PAF to take over from F-7MP/PG and Mirages later on. In next decade you might only see Vipers and Thunders and maybe another J series.

JFT might not impress certain air force even without Comprehensive Tests which is true neither is it offered so far, AFAIK no SD-10/A has been delivered for F-7BGI vs JFT being integrated or under integration with BVR or you can give me link if China is willing or has sold SD-10/A at all to BAF that alones makes BGI handicapped if you may call it. Most of specifications are on JFT Thread don't need to post them.

 

[BDforever]

Contrary to the popular belief, JF-17 is going to be the workhorse fighter and primary type in PAF to take over from F-7MP/PG and Mirages later on. In next decade you might only see Vipers and Thunders and maybe another J series.

JFT might not impress certain air force even without Comprehensive Tests which is true neither is it offered so far, AFAIK no SD-10/A has been delivered for F-7BGI vs JFT being integrated or under integration with BVR or you can give me link if China is willing or has sold SD-10/A at all to BAF that alones makes BGI handicapped if you may call it. Most of specifications are on JFT Thread don't need to post them.

F-7BGI cost $9-$10 million per unit (bought as stop-gap) while JF-17 will cost around $25 million per unit. If BD goes for around $25 million cost than BD has better choice which is Mig 35. Russia offered serbia Mig 35 around $29.5 million per unit. Now compare between Mig 35 and JF-17.

 

[Luftwaffe]

F-7BGI cost $9-$10 million per unit (bought as stop-gap) while JF-17 will cost around $25 million per unit. If BD goes for around $25 million cost than BD has better choice which is Mig 35. Russia offered serbia Mig 35 around $29.5 million per unit. Now compare between Mig 35 and JF-17.

Bhai some members perceive that I am defending JFT, I am not, I shall pen down one last time it has not been offered at all against the story that it has been rejected or being offered or being tested at all. We do not even have the "exact" price tag for FC-1/JF-17 but generally around 18m-20m not 25m.

Mig-35 [known Mig-29M/M2] for 35m would be a good one if it is actually 35m, what is Mig-35? it is a variant of an advance Mig-29 any key difference aside from AESA radar and some other tweaks, we read BAF is interested in yak-130 but there is absolutely no information on current BAF Mig-29 upgrades is there point us the credible news then we might even discuss Mig-29m/m2 [mig-35].

 

[BDforever]

Bhai some members perceive that I am defending JFT, I am not, I shall pen down one last time it has not been offered at all against the story that it has been rejected or being offered or being tested at all. We do not even have the "exact" price tag for FC-1/JF-17 but generally around 18m-20m not 25m.

Mig-35 [known Mig-29M/M2] for 35m would be a good one if it is actually 35m, what is Mig-35? it is a variant of an advance Mig-29 any key difference aside from AESA radar and some other tweaks, we read BAF is interested in yak-130 but there is absolutely no information on current BAF Mig-29 upgrades is there point us the credible news then we might even discuss Mig-29m/m2 [mig-35].

Mig-35 is not Mig29M/M2, this is completely different. Mig29 upgrades info has nothing to with procurement of other aircraft, thats different deal. JF-17 cost 18m-20m to PAF, so surely it will cost around 25m for us. And forget about those ppl, we are just discussing here.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Mig-35 is not Mig29M/M2, this is completely different. Mig29 upgrades info has nothing to with procurement of other aircraft, thats different deal. JF-17 cost 18m-20m to PAF, so surely it will cost around 25m for us. And forget about those ppl, we are just discussing here.

Mig-35 is export variant of Mig-29m/m2 heavily modernized. Why would JFT be cheap for Pakistan and expensive for others and also most of exports would be FC-1 not JF-17 nothing comes cheap. Why not upgrade those Migs why should it be different deal infact It would be better to include current migs part of deal to modernize one might never get another chance.

 

[BDforever]

Mig-35 is export variant of Mig-29m/m2 heavily modernized. Why would JFT be cheap for Pakistan and expensive for others and also most of exports would be FC-1 not JF-17 nothing comes cheap. Why not upgrade those Migs why should it be different deal infact It would be better to include current migs part of deal to modernize one might never get another chance.

1. current Mig 35 is way different than Mig29m/m2. check recent news
2. it is not only for JF-17, it is same for all type of aircrafts. Aircraft cost lower to domestic country in comparison to other countries. Companies set profit margin higher for foreign customers and there is a shipment cost.
3. one is purchase and other one is upgrade, two different types of activities, so deal always be different.

 

[eastwatch]

Contrary to the popular belief, JF-17 is going to be the workhorse fighter and primary type in PAF to take over from F-7MP/PG and Mirages later on. In next decade you might only see Vipers and Thunders and maybe another J series.

JFT might not impress certain air force even without Comprehensive Tests which is true neither is it offered so far, AFAIK no SD-10/A has been delivered for F-7BGI vs JFT being integrated or under integration with BVR or you can give me link if China is willing or has sold SD-10/A at all to BAF that alones makes BGI handicapped if you may call it. Most of specifications are on JFT Thread don't need to post them.

Bold part: Pakistani JF-17 A Thunder OR A Blunder | ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

Pakistan has witnessed new defense acquisitions in this decade than any other, and in the center of it all is the new fighter which was designed by China with partial funding from Pakistan. It is formally known as JF-17 Thunder. When the fighter was in development, Pakistani online communities were jumping with excitement comparing it with its arch rival India’s modern combatants Su-30MKI, Mig-29S & Mirage-2000H. There were claims of it featuring western Radars and long range missiles, & Chinese ordering some due to its superior capabilities. But the reality is far from it.

China having spent significant amount of money into a fighter which it is never going to use, most probably forced Pakistan to accept its avionics to offset some its development costs. Chinese who are known for their self reliance first and quality next, are further downgrading JF-17s capabilities with their poorly copy-pirated avionics. Along with their dubious weapons, any chance of JF-17 maintaining BVR edge over its adversary’s front-line combatants, for the most part, is unlikely.

Even in close combat JF-17 lacks what it takes to win the fight. Its spine, & wings bearing resemblance(in wing twist & wing area) to a fighter which china knows inside out, the J-7, doesn’t have wing twist nor does it have enough area to provide a low wing loading. Its performance during low speeds and high alphas would be very dangerous for the pilot indeed. It has a Maximum G loading of only 8, as claimed by PAC. Its thrust to weight ratio is another negative point.

When its arch rival, the Indian Air Force(IAF), was overtly critical of Tejas for having a low Thrust to Weight ratio, maybe they should have compared it with JF-17 which has even less, even with Emergency Thrust. Pakistan Aeronautical Complex(PAC) proudly displays the RD-93’s “Combat thrust with afterburner” as 19,200lbf, while the whole defense community knows RD-93’s thrust is 18,300lbf and the only real thrust increase was achieved with its new re-designed Sea Wasp RD-33MK engines- which has been explicitly stated by Klimov.

However, Klimov’s RD-33 series 3(or series 2?), whose avatar is RD-93 with re-positioned Gear boxes, has a provision for emergency thrust which Klimov says can produce 8700kgf(~19200lbf) in their officially released document. They further state that as “Take-off emergency mode”. So the mentioned thrust can only be used during take-off where the Air is denser, and also only during emergency situations since it would seriously lower the engine’s lifespan.

This is a far cry from PAC's “Combat thrust” claim. Why this is being stated is because, the engines(bought by the Chinese after pressurizing the Russians) are the only non-Chinese & non-Pakistani component, and even there they have lied about its capabilities. Hence the true, lower than published, specifications of Chinese and Pakistani components are open to any one’s guesses. In any case, the close combat capabilities of JF-17 is below average or average at best.

The next Achilles heal is JF-17’s speed. For a good interception, speed is an important criteria. However JF-17’s max speed is Mach 1.6 which is claimed by PAC. This indicates that JF-17 is draggier. When compared, their F-7s(Reverse engineered Mig-21s) have higher speed of mach 2+ with a lower thrust engine. The IAF fighters which it is going to face, all have speeds greater than the Thunder.

So why is Pakistan still inducting more and more of this fighter, which its critics increasingly call it Junk Fighter – 17 ? The answer may lie with Pakistan’s recent trauma & its psyche. Having sanctioned by the U.S, the star of their airforce, the F-16s were severally hit by lack of spares and most of the time grounded.

The other 2 sources to procure modern Aircraft- Russia, have been sealed off due to the legacy of Soviet era friendship, current market in India & India’s pressure- and the other source, the European Union, for their extremely high costs. The third source, the Chinese, at that time were still flying their reverse engineered Mig-21s.

In those circumstances, “Never again” was the motto of PAF and it instantly jumped into the project of further reversing the reverse engineered Mig-21, known as Super-7(a.k.a Super F-7) to obtain self reliance.

The result of that project is the JF-17. So the decision was appropriate at that time, in those situations. However now with China having developed the J-10, and going by the recent reports of offering ToT(Transfer of Technology) to Pakistan, one wonders why are the Pakistanis still ordering 250 planes. Is the trauma of F-16 sanctions so high that they don’t even trust the Chinese?

This can't be the case because they still need the Chinese to procure the RD-93 engines for them, even after the Chinese transfer all their associated JF-17 tech to PAC. So why...? The answer lies with their ego/psyche rather than the trauma. Unlike J-10, Pakistan shares copyright to JF-17 and that, for some weird reason, gives them something to celebrate about.

This is strange for the reason, war machines are for fighting wars and achieving tactical & strategic objectives, not for gloating about who holds the copyrights. When JF-17 comes face to face with MKI or SMT, there won’t be much to celebrate about it, or the few millions if at all it earns though exports. In the end, it’s all about defending ones homeland from the enemy, and not copyrights.

 

[Zabaniyah]

So, what's new?

 

[BDforever]

So, what's new?

A program is going on in Independent channel now about Armed forces, one of Army personal said new weapon is on the way for infantry

 

[Zabaniyah]

A program is going on in Independent channel now about Armed forces, one of Army personal said new weapon is on the way for infantry

Kornet and Metis? That's not new news. As much like this thread