27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[airomerix]

But we have like 200 of the M versions. Hardly enough to cover full inventory of F-16s and the JF-17s at the same time.

We need a long term solution for JF-17s in form of a Chinese/SA/Brazilian solution.

We have more.

 

[MastanKhan]

The big RCS of the Su30MKI is a problem that the IAF simply cannot fix and it will always be exposed to new variants of longer range AAM's because of its RCS will attract missiles at ever longer ranges as new AAMs are developed. The engagement of the 27th Feb 2019 showed that the era of WVR has for the time being taken the back seat, and the focus is on tactics and longer range AAM's and electronic counter measures.

Hi,

The BVR concept was confirmed for pakistani hardliners only who were stuck with their wvr mentality---.

The top air force of the world had already changed directions 15 plus years ago---maybe 25 years ago---.

Did they still do wvr and gun fight training---yes they did---to the max---but that was only to show off and to confuse the enemy or any one else who wanted to stay confused---.

BVR combat it is and BVR it will stay---inferior aircraft maybe thrown into the arena to be slaughtered on a whim that they might get lucky and shoot a superior aircraft in wvr by chance---.

The 5th gen will fight from their position of strength---ie---BVR---.

The 4th and 4.5 gen may still engage rarely depending on the circumstances---.

All wvr attempts---ie all attempts to get within visual range combat would be suicidal---.

 

[Arsalan 345]

this conflict is not over.kindly look at air traffic.weird air traffic in pakistani airspace on yesterday morning.india might attack again.another engagement not far away.

 

[Dazzler]

Talking of WVR fight, Pakistan is using AIM-9M's latest tranche which is just a model before X series. Very capable. Can distinguish between flares and actual aircraft under circumstances.

M8/9 version.

 

[syed_yusuf]

If su30 is so bad to survive air battle then why China continue to build it's variants

 

[Flight of falcon]

Indians blink..... open their entire airspace. Expecting Pakistan to reciprocate... looks like their losses are getting to unbearable level.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ia...for-overflying-again/articleshow/69600819.cms

 

[jaybird]

If su30 is so bad to survive air battle then why China continue to build it's variants

It's like comparing F/A-18 A/B to F/A-18 E/F or F-16A/B to later variants like F-16 block 60 /V. All SU-30s are not the same other than in names only. Almost everything is different like radar, mission computer and electronic warfare suite and types missiles it can carry.

Not even the inside air frame structure and material used are the same from variant to variant with China's own old Su-30MKK and new built J-16 etc. It's totally different animal comparing Indian Su-30 to Chinese version or Russian's own version.

 

[Point 5310]

Indians blink..... open their entire airspace. Expecting Pakistan to reciprocate... looks like their losses are getting to unbearable level.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ia...for-overflying-again/articleshow/69600819.cms

Lol epic fail.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...ing-record-high-profits.621037/#post-11505208

 

[Armchair]

We have more.

Problem is, USAF attempt to use AAM against Russian-made Syrian aircraft, with upgraded flares, showed that the Sidewinder was unable to hit the target. Later they had to finish the job with an AMRAAM.

It's like comparing F/A-18 A/B to F/A-18 E/F or F-16A/B to later variants like F-16 block 60 /V. All SU-30s are not the same other than in names only. Almost everything is different like radar, mission computer and electronic warfare suite and types missiles it can carry.

Not even the inside air frame structure and material used are the same from variant to variant with China's own old Su-30MKK and new built J-16 etc. It's totally different animal comparing Indian Su-30 to Chinese version or Russian's own version.

Basically the Indians went for an all rounder, and one which has deficiencies in its FBW. The wing loading is higher than most contemporary rivals. But the achille's heal is probably the BVR they have on it, the long runway needed, and the maintenance nightmare it brings.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Indians blink..... open their entire airspace. Expecting Pakistan to reciprocate... looks like their losses are getting to unbearable level.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ia...for-overflying-again/articleshow/69600819.cms

They opened their airspace to challenge paf.they have already done something.since yesterday,there is lots of traffic.more awacs more tankers and more discussions about pakistan.

 

[Flight of falcon]

They opened their airspace to challenge paf.they have already done something.since yesterday,there is lots of traffic.more awacs more tankers and more discussions about pakistan.

I was referring to their civilian airliners losses due to detour over the sea. I have a feeling that they will do something stupid sooner than later. We must be prepared.

 

[airomerix]

Bro are you sure that we downed their Su30 on Feb 27 or did they manage to evade the AMRAAM's?? How have they been able to hide the wreckage from their media?

Only 2 missiles were fired. None of the AMRAAM's were 'dodged'

The aircraft fell in a dam somewhere near the cantonment area. Hence the secrecy.

 

[SIPRA]

I was referring to their civilian airliners losses due to detour over the sea. I have a feeling that they will do something stupid sooner than later. We must be prepared.

No doubt. There are many indications that India will do some mischief.

 

[airomerix]

No doubt. There are many indications that India will do some mischief.

Recently some of their fighters were hiding behind a Boeing 737 going up north. lol.

Thunders were on CAP. We already had a hunch about that commercial jet since it requested a route closer to Pakistan.

 

[Vortex]

I was referring to their civilian airliners losses due to detour over the sea. I have a feeling that they will do something stupid sooner than later. We must be prepared.

No doubt. There are many indications that India will do some mischief.

They could exploit our Eid days.