24,500 people freeze to death in UK

[longbrained]

Each year 24,500 people freeze to death in UK because they can not afford to pay their gas bills.

Shocking but true. The data is from national statistics center of United Kingdom government.

This was reported by BBC: BBC News - Gas prices rising: Can you cut your bill by 15%?

 

[below_freezing]

this is the hidden toll of capitalism.

if even England, the most advanced capitalist nation on earth with hundreds of years of capitalist tradition and an extensive welfare system has so many deaths, then how many will the US have?

 

[somebozo]

this is the hidden toll of capitalism.

if even England, the most advanced capitalist nation on earth with hundreds of years of capitalist tradition and an extensive welfare system has so many deaths, then how many will the US have?

Communist Venezula was offering subsidized gas for low income american households...an guess what..the american took the offer like greedy dogs..excessive capitalism of linking everything to money makes you immoral and ethicless...or else USA will not have a thriving p0rn industry today!

 

[longbrained]

this is the hidden toll of capitalism.

if even England, the most advanced capitalist nation on earth with hundreds of years of capitalist tradition and an extensive welfare system has so many deaths, then how many will the US have?

Rightly said. There should be a red line where profits must be sacrificed to save human lives. I think this is the most important human rights issue. There should not be any human suffering because of greed. While corporations and their owners make billions humans are paying a hefty price for it with their lives.

 

[Imran Khan]

simply they can do it as we do in pakistan and don't forget its bring people close too lolz

 

[longbrained]

simply they can do it as we do in pakistan and don't forget its bring people close too lolz

It is illegal to burn open fires in UK specially in bigger cities. You can go to prison for that. Also do not forget that wood, paper and cartons are expensive in UK since government jealously collects them from all over UK in the name of recycling. Cutting down even shrubs is again a crime against environment that would put you in prison. You have no other legal option but to freeze to death. Sorry.

 

[Imran Khan]

It is illegal to burn open fires in UK specially in bigger cities. You can go to prison for that. Also do not forget that wood, paper and cartons are expensive in UK since government jealously collects them from all over UK in the name of recycling. Cutting down even shrubs is again a crime against environment that would put you in prison. You have no other legal option but to freeze to death. Sorry.

bloody law go to hell now tell me pakistani's are free or uk citizens ?

 

[longbrained]

bloody law go to hell now tell me pakistani's are free or uk citizens ?

Feel free to pick your choice buddy. With economic melt down at every corner, situation is even getting worse. No wonder (poor) people were fed up and had come on the street to protest but were beaten up by police so they started looting anyways. That is what happens when sun sets on the empire.

 

[saleen_s7]

this is the hidden toll of capitalism.

if even England, the most advanced capitalist nation on earth with hundreds of years of capitalist tradition and an extensive welfare system has so many deaths, then how many will the US have?

Most of the death are aged 75 or over and what does capitalism have to do with any of this? And the communist China has an average life span of Life expectancy at birth: total population: 74.68 years
male: 72.68 years
female: 76.94 years (2011 est.) according to the cia world factbook.

Look at India, where they are trying to approach the economy with free market reforms and how they have improved from a 55% living under poverty to a target 22% living under poverty by 2015.

 

[longbrained]

Most of the death are aged 75 or over and what does capitalism have to do with any of this? And the communist China has an average life span of Life expectancy at birth: total population: 74.68 years
male: 72.68 years
female: 76.94 years (2011 est.) according to the cia world factbook.

Look at India, where they are trying to approach the economy with free market reforms and how they have improved from a 55% living under poverty to a target 22% living under poverty by 2015.

So you mean it is ok to freeze to death senior citizens? Well it might be in UK but generally in eastern cultures it is considered a taboo to freeze your grand parents. Excuse me is that an understatement?

China had the world's most advanced economy before Lord Forbes (the grand daddy of Forbes business today) was making his family wealth smuggling opium into China. Hmmm, looks like UK is to be blamed for backwardness of China today. As you know China did not go enslaving whole continents killing indigenous population in order to bring the stolen wealth back home to increase their living standard and life expectancy as United Kingdom used to do for the past 500 years.

Bangladesh did not improve because of capitalist reforms. Rather it was because of a socialist program reforms spear headed by introduction of local micro-financing instead of pumping out cash to big businesses and corporations. That was the reason. If they had relied on foreign investments of multi-national corporations, just like they had done for decades, Bangladesh would still be where it was before. By the way have you head about British engineered Bengal famines in which some tens of millions of Bengali were killed to benefit UK: Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And, Bengal famine of 1770 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[saleen_s7]

So you mean it is ok to freeze to death senior citizens? Well it might be in UK but generally in eastern cultures it is considered a taboo to freeze your grand parents. Excuse me is that an understatement?

China had the world's most advanced economy before Lord Forbes (the grand daddy of Forbes business today) was making his family wealth smuggling opium into China. Hmmm, looks like UK is to be blamed for backwardness of China today. As you know China did not go enslaving whole continents killing indigenous population in order to bring the stolen wealth back home to increase their living standard and life expectancy as United Kingdom used to do for the past 500 years.

Bangladesh did not improve because of capitalist reforms. Rather it was because of a socialist program reforms spear headed by introduction of local micro-financing instead of pumping out cash to big businesses and corporations. That was the reason. If they had relied on foreign investments of multi-national corporations, just like they had done for decades, Bangladesh would still be where it was before. By the way have you head about British engineered Bengal famines in which some tens of millions of Bengali were killed to benefit UK: Bengal famine of 1943 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And, Bengal famine of 1770 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have taken me completely out of text, but I do disagree with you on a lot of this issues. The Great Britain has suffered more for enslaving other nations and one look at the country's economic history will just tell you how it has been negatively affected by slavery, colonialism, etc. The notion that some people tend to have that the west is rich now because of actions of the past is pure fallacy. Even the arguments you made about Bangladesh is completely invalid. Privatisation is the sole reason for Bangladesh's economic growth right now, which has been severely hampered by past socialist/leftist governments. And I strongly believe if the markets were more deregulated and some government laws reduced, Bangladesh would have a thriving economy. Look closely how Singapore's economy was deregulated and free markets reforms played important role on its economy. And I strongly believe India's recent growth has been due to their shift in more freer market reforms.
If you have been to USA or UK, or any western country, you will notice that the poorer areas like detroit are almost always run by a left leaning parties. For example, it was the idea of the left leaning parties to introduce the minimum wage law in order to help the black community, but according to a research, the minimum wage rather caused more unemployment.

 

[longbrained]

You have taken me completely out of text, but I do disagree with you on a lot of this issues. The Great Britain has suffered more for enslaving other nations and one look at the country's economic history will just tell you how it has been negatively affected by slavery, colonialism, etc. The notion that some people tend to have that the west is rich now because of actions of the past is pure fallacy. Even the arguments you made about Bangladesh is completely invalid. Privatisation is the sole reason for Bangladesh's economic growth right now, which has been severely hampered by past socialist/leftist governments. And I strongly believe if the markets were more deregulated and some government laws reduced, Bangladesh would have a thriving economy. Look closely how Singapore's economy was deregulated and free markets reforms played important role on its economy. And I strongly believe India's recent growth has been due to their shift in more freer market reforms.
If you have been to USA or UK, or any western country, you will notice that the poorer areas like detroit are almost always run by a left leaning parties. For example, it was the idea of the left leaning parties to introduce the minimum wage law in order to help the black community, but according to a research, the minimum wage rather caused more unemployment.

Experts do not agree with you. Even US and UK government are saying that recession happened because there was not enough regulations. The case to remember here is Scandinavian countries whose social programs are lauded all over the world. Greed is bad. Every one knows that. As for your dispute about the accumulated wealth of colonialists, you have again failed to see the facts. It was India, Pakistan and Red Indians who were paying the price. Ever read Ashfaq Ahmad's books? I guess not. Do more research and find out about it. With stolen wealth they were financing science and technology in Europe (watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUo_oTF1KX8&feature=player_detailpage#t=2922s ). The black communities of US and UK are delibarately held back because of political reasons and not because of social programs. Singapore, in addition to all eastern Asian economies have mixed economies which incorporates tough government regulations. Look at China for the example the country which has single handedly pulled the world out of recession.

 

[saleen_s7]

Experts do not agree with you. Even US and UK government are saying that recession happened because there was not enough regulations. The case to remember here is Scandinavian countries whose social programs are lauded all over the world. Greed is bad. Every one knows that. As for your dispute about the accumulated wealth of colonialists, you have again failed to see the facts. It was India, Pakistan and Red Indians who were paying the price. Ever read Ashfaq Ahmad's books? I guess not. Do more research and find out about it. With stolen wealth they were financing science and technology in Europe (watch this: BBC - Science and Islam (2009) part 3 of 3 - YouTube ). The black communities of US and UK are delibarately held back because of political reasons and not because of social programs. Singapore, in addition to all eastern Asian economies have mixed economies which incorporates tough government regulations. Look at China for the example the country which has single handedly pulled the world out of recession.

There are generally two type of economic experts, Keynesians and Monetarists. The experts you are referring to are the Keynesians. I think you have a bit of a misconception of Scandinavian socialism, specially when it comes to its economic policies. Their economics polices leans more towards free markets. And yes, greed is bad, but there's an old saying "if people were happy with what they have, we would still be stuck on the stone age".

 

[longbrained]

There are generally two type of economic experts, Keynesians and Monetarists. The experts you are referring to are the Keynesians. I think you have a bit of a misconception of Scandinavian socialism, specially when it comes to its economic policies. Their economics polices leans more towards free markets. And yes, greed is bad, but there's an old saying "if people were happy with what they have, we would still be stuck on the stone age".

I do not think Swedes would agree with you. They see United States problems as creations of uncontrolled capitalism. And two types of economic experts: one the ones who design systems to enrich the already rich people and the second the experts who design sensible models. And you are right. People should not be stagnant in their demands. That is why we see people coming to streets in Europe. From Greece to Italy. People are fed up with their governments economic and political policies promoting war and destruction while enriching the billionaires. All the while people are freezing to death in UK because they can not afford to pay for their gas and electricity bills. Shameful but true.

 

[somebozo]

Most of the ardent capitalist block is fast approaching its death. In the last 100 years capitalism has given the world more wars, famine, destruction and suffering than Halaku and Chengiz Khan