24,500 people freeze to death in UK

[longbrained]

When my opponent in an argument resorts to ad hominem, I consider it a victory.

No you dont. Your true face came out in the beginning of the thread when you said it is ok to freeze grand parents to death in order to save money. Victory is a relative term. Trying to defend the cause of the death of 24,500 human beings, yeah you have easily won, I give you the victory on that one. But the problem is you are standing on the wrong side. Damn.

 

[saleen_s7]

No you dont. Your true face came out in the beginning of the thread when you said it is ok to freeze grand parents to death in order to save money. Victory is a relative term. Trying to defend the cause of the death of 24,500 human beings, yeah you have easily won, I give you the victory on that one. But the problem is you are standing on the wrong side. Damn.

If you can quote where I justified the killing of grand parents, I will apologise. I just mentioned that this two factors, the death of so many people and the role of capitalism is independent of each other, but anyways, you can't even make a valid argument w.o resorting to personal attacks and I don't really blame you either as all facts and figures are against you.

 

[longbrained]

If you can quote where I justified the killing of grand parents, I will apologise. I just mentioned that this two factors, the death of so many people and the role of capitalism is independent of each other, but anyways, you can't even make a valid argument w.o resorting to personal attacks and I don't really blame you either as all facts and figures are against you.

First of all you started the attack. You used the word rant which I gave it back to you ten times more to make you realize that it is not only you who can use the word.
And yeah, go above and read your first comment. Therein you tried to desensitize and justify the deaths by saying that they were old so, it is not as important. Go and read it again and again. You never mentioned the word "factor". And capitalism is not an independent factor. It is the cause of the deaths. A nation claiming to be a developed one and a rich one, should not let its senior citizens freeze to death. The only reason it is freezing its senior citizens is because of capitalism and the greed to make even more money.
As has been proven and as can be seen by going through this thread, you have been incapable of making coherent comments, always trying to run away. It is you who is attacking here. You have not been able to put up a rational argument much less any sources. So it is really pathetic for you to claim anything on my facts and figures which I have provided. You have provided none. So go in shame.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I'm guessing most of the deaths are of the older generation.
It's not only the govt, it's a vile culture of over-capitalism!

All this at the time where the Margaret Thatcher reincarnate (David Cameron) considering further cuts on pensions as well as everything else.

 

[longbrained]

I'm guessing most of the deaths are of the older generation.
It's not only the govt, it's a vile culture of over-capitalism!

All this at the time where the Margaret Thatcher reincarnate (David Cameron) considering further cuts on pensions as well as everything else.

That is right. The first ones to suffer the freezing death are old. David Cameroon only cares about his rich friends. Dead frozen poor and old people really is not that important.

 

[Jungibaaz]

That is right. The first ones to suffer the freezing death are old. David Cameroon only cares about his rich friends. Dead frozen poor and old people really is not that important.

it really does sadden me, labour govt was so much better.
This truly is 'the govt of the rich, by the rich, for the rich'.

He's no better then Margaret Thatcher and we'll know what cold heartless b***h she was...

 

[cyphercide]

Why blame Western Capitalism?Doesn't it employ millions of people in Asia and gives them a fair chance to earn a livelihood.There was a time when gainful employment was considered to be a white elephant in Asian countries,it is not anymore because of off-shoring and outsourcing which are essentially Capitalist constructs in order to minimize operating costs.It's the same reason why Apple chooses to open a manufacturing plant in China or Google opens a branch for support in Bangalore.Furthermore,It allows Western nations to grant generous aid when other nations are gravely suffering internal problems(that includes India,Pakistan and China.Aid continues to pour in till this day for all three.I don't hear anyone refusing it). Compare India under the socialistic "License Raj" and India of today and you would realize the difference that is been made possible.

It is the government's responsibility to regulate industries and not the industries themselves.In fact,pure Capitalism would dictate the "Swim or Sink" policy under which the financial organizations facing catastrophic losses should have been left to be bankrupted.It was the US government that undertook their liabilities and in what could be considered a Socialist move bailed them out.

It's easy to sit up and start critiquing Western Capitalism these days as it is the new fad.Fair enough if you are a Westerner,you have a right to be angry with the Capitalist paradigm for shipping your jobs away or conning you with Globalization.I wouldn't choose to do so because I am employed by a Western company and I know millions of my countrymen are being put to work by such companies.They are all manifestations of Capitalism and they do help bring a lot of people out of poverty.

 

[InFn-0]

When the economy is not working, capitalism wont help, neither will socialism or communism. This is not the fault of the system, rather the situation is dire, and countries like UK, US and others with severe debt problems need to go through a harsh period. Taking the worst example of each system and saying it does nt work does not make much sense to me. Regarding what system I find best i ll just say from what i understood there are elements in each system that are helpful, and different systems work in different regions, and different systems can work in different times aswell.

 

[bularab]

LOL, and I am thinking about going to the UK.

Seriously, WTF, I thought they were advanced country.

Here in Bulgaria, where people average salary is 400 euro, only 1-2 people died for a decade from freezing.

 

[longbrained]

LOL, and I am thinking about going to the UK.

Seriously, WTF, I thought they were advanced country.

Here in Bulgaria, where people average salary is 400 euro, only 1-2 people died for a decade from freezing.

Only their billionaires are advanced. The rest of the people are living a harsh life.

 

[fd24]

Each year 24,500 people freeze to death in UK because they can not afford to pay their gas bills.

Shocking but true. The data is from national statistics center of United Kingdom government.

This was reported by BBC: BBC News - Gas prices rising: Can you cut your bill by 15%?

This is our way of life. we would like to share this with iraq, afghanistan, libya. Do you blame us now for wanting to nick your resources.

 

[below_freezing]

Why blame Western Capitalism?Doesn't it employ millions of people in Asia and gives them a fair chance to earn a livelihood.There was a time when gainful employment was considered to be a white elephant in Asian countries,it is not anymore because of off-shoring and outsourcing which are essentially Capitalist constructs in order to minimize operating costs.It's the same reason why Apple chooses to open a manufacturing plant in China or Google opens a branch for support in Bangalore.Furthermore,It allows Western nations to grant generous aid when other nations are gravely suffering internal problems(that includes India,Pakistan and China.Aid continues to pour in till this day for all three.I don't hear anyone refusing it). Compare India under the socialistic "License Raj" and India of today and you would realize the difference that is been made possible.

It is the government's responsibility to regulate industries and not the industries themselves.In fact,pure Capitalism would dictate the "Swim or Sink" policy under which the financial organizations facing catastrophic losses should have been left to be bankrupted.It was the US government that undertook their liabilities and in what could be considered a Socialist move bailed them out.

It's easy to sit up and start critiquing Western Capitalism these days as it is the new fad.Fair enough if you are a Westerner,you have a right to be angry with the Capitalist paradigm for shipping your jobs away or conning you with Globalization.I wouldn't choose to do so because I am employed by a Western company and I know millions of my countrymen are being put to work by such companies.They are all manifestations of Capitalism and they do help bring a lot of people out of poverty.

Like I said this is a big fat lie.

Let me just tell you a story.

3 asians and 1 white are stuck on an island with no way off. The Asians get to work: one named Korea building the boat to escape, one named China building the houses and tools, and 1 named India gathering food to survive. The white man doesn't do anything, he just eats, sleeps in our house and uses the boat as a private yacht. When the Asians complain, the white says:

I am the consumption part of this economy. Without me to eating, being housed and playing for fun, you will all be unemployed! I am the only one keeping you people alive!

 

[jamal18]

LOL, and I am thinking about going to the UK.

Seriously, WTF, I thought they were advanced country.

Here in Bulgaria, where people average salary is 400 euro, only 1-2 people died for a decade from freezing.

Come to Britain, everybody in the world is already here!

Many of your countrymen are working alongside me. If you need advice, pm me.

But culturally I have no doubt that Pakistanis look after their elders far better than people here.

 

[fd24]

Brits are just good at propaganda. They hang on the tails of the americans. Communism failed and now Capitalism has had systemic failure. Anyone know about any other ways of life? Islam is the answer

 

[longbrained]

Like I said this is a big fat lie.

Let me just tell you a story.

3 asians and 1 white are stuck on an island with no way off. The Asians get to work: one named Korea building the boat to escape, one named China building the houses and tools, and 1 named India gathering food to survive. The white man doesn't do anything, he just eats, sleeps in our house and uses the boat as a private yacht. When the Asians complain, the white says:

I am the consumption part of this economy. Without me to eating, being housed and playing for fun, you will all be unemployed! I am the only one keeping you people alive!

Thank you. That was the best economic explanation I have ever heard. Thank you again.