24,500 people freeze to death in UK

[Safriz]

In all honesty paying utility bills has become out of reach for most people these days.
My water bill stands at 50 pounds a month..It was 10 pounds a month in 2005...Later the water companies lobbied in parliament for law change and now have many privileges...in a country where it rains all the time...Gas bill stands at 40 pounds in summer and 80 to 100 pounds a month in winter,and prices are still rising.
this country is sold to corporate giants where every necessity of life id provided by a private company who has to make unlimited profit out of it..Government takes taxes but no direct benifit is reaped by common man except healthcare which is still one of the best in the world.

 

[fd24]

In all honesty paying utility bills has become out of reach for most people these days.
My water bill stands at 50 pounds a month..It was 10 pounds a month in 2005...Later the water companies lobbied in parliament for law change and now have many privileges...in a country where it rains all the time...Gas bill stands at 40 pounds in summer and 80 to 100 pounds a month in winter,and prices are still rising.
this country is sold to corporate giants where every necessity of life id provided by a private company who has to make unlimited profit out of it..Government takes taxes but no direct benifit is reaped by common man except healthcare which is still one of the best in the world.

Not just that the governer of the bank of england has admitted that for the last 6 years real wages have not gone up wheras inflation has hovered around 3 to 4%

 

[somebozo]

Hello. I still fail to see how we are failing. Our economy is not in great shape true. But we are growing. How are we enslaved?

I'm sorry but freedoms in KSA are radically different to freedoms in the UK. If you were raised with British education then surely you see that? I had a look on the wiki human rights page...
'Saudi Arabian law does not recognize religious freedom, and the public practice of non-Muslim religions is actively prohibited.'
^That is not free.
Human rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Read that page, not good reading.

The Queen is not poor. She is funded by the government, the British people wish to keep the monarchy. She is a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the tourism she generates more than redeems her. Besides when she passes on we'll have lovely Kate.

Also Saudia Arabia is also run by your Royal Family is it not?

I bet some of their money can stop people from dying of heat strokes.

How about:

The Al-Sauds is not poor. He is funded by the oil, the Saudi people wish to keep the monarchy. He is a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the good will he generates through Islamic charities around the world more than redeems her.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-call-gets-generous-response.html#post2052378

The CCP is not poor. It is funded by the government, the Chinese people wish to keep the communisty. They are a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the economic might they generates more than redeems them.

Yes is it run by a Royal family but what about the hundreds of professionals and experts who advice the king?? All of these professionals and advisors are appointed for their caliber, talent and neutrality which is very important. Beside that, people dying of heat strokes in KSA are exclusively outdoors. Nobody dies of heat stroke indoors..so your argument is invalid to begin with..I am not defending KSA for the sake of arguments for an argument but should you have choosen better example it would make sense..right now I am only laughing at you.

Capitalism is great for nations that have already gotten rich through looting others, but the only solution to problems that ail developing nations is socialism. As the loot starts to run out for the US and UK, they will be forced to face up to the problems of capitalism.

And invade other countries to loot..during the 80's and 90's USA comfortably looted Saudi oil wealth by appointing King Fahad as its puppet stationing thousands of troops on the Gulf at Fahad request under the pretext of presumed Saddam threat. Today they are planning to loot Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and south Sudan under one excuse or the other.

In all honesty paying utility bills has become out of reach for most people these days.
My water bill stands at 50 pounds a month..It was 10 pounds a month in 2005...Later the water companies lobbied in parliament for law change and now have many privileges...in a country where it rains all the time...Gas bill stands at 40 pounds in summer and 80 to 100 pounds a month in winter,and prices are still rising.
this country is sold to corporate giants where every necessity of life id provided by a private company who has to make unlimited profit out of it..Government takes taxes but no direct benifit is reaped by common man except healthcare which is still one of the best in the world.

Dont you think privatization and taxation together are a legal way of looting residents and citizen?? I mean if government is taxing private companies, it could use part of the earning to subsidize the low income households. So people can stop freezing to death.

 

[888jamie888]

How about:

The Al-Sauds is not poor. He is funded by the oil, the Saudi people wish to keep the monarchy. He is a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the good will he generates through Islamic charities around the world more than redeems her.

The CCP is not poor. It is funded by the government, the Chinese people wish to keep the communisty. They are a great ambassador for the country. Anyway they say the economic might they generates more than redeems them.

Yes is it run by a Royal family but what about the hundreds of professionals and experts who advice the king?? All of these professionals and advisors are appointed for their caliber, talent and neutrality which is very important. Beside that, people dying of heat strokes in KSA are exclusively outdoors. Nobody dies of heat stroke indoors..so your argument is invalid to begin with..I am not defending KSA for the sake of arguments for an argument but should you have choosen better example it would make sense..right now I am only laughing at you.

What? You said the Queen is poor. She isn't. She lives in a Palace and lives a good life. She is not poor. How could you think that?
The Al-Sauds is not poor. I did not say it was?
You go on about China? How is that relevant?

You said that KSA was free and the UK was enslaved. I provided evidence that says otherwise. You have not provided anything.
So people are dying outside? Does that mean they cannot be saved? Do they get to the hospital and the doctors say 'Sorry he had a stroke outside rather than inside we cannot save him' I don't understand your thinking.

Come back to me with some valid points.

 

[below_freezing]

What? You said the Queen is poor. She isn't. She lives in a Palace and lives a good life. She is not poor. How could you think that?
The Al-Sauds is not poor. I did not say it was?
You go on about China? How is that relevant?

You said that KSA was free and the UK was enslaved. I provided evidence that says otherwise. You have not provided anything.
So people are dying outside? Does that mean they cannot be saved? Do they get to the hospital and the doctors say 'Sorry he had a stroke outside rather than inside we cannot save him' I don't understand your thinking.

Come back to me with some valid points.

I think it may be a good time to look at the Communist Party of Britain as a valid choice in the next elections. If they are not elected, it must be due to capitalist election fraud against them, and it will be the duty of the British people to overthrow their oppressive government and reinstate it with a socialist democracy.

 

[somebozo]

What? You said the Queen is poor. She isn't. She lives in a Palace and lives a good life. She is not poor. How could you think that?
The Al-Sauds is not poor. I did not say it was?
You go on about China? How is that relevant?

You said that KSA was free and the UK was enslaved. I provided evidence that says otherwise. You have not provided anything.
So people are dying outside? Does that mean they cannot be saved? Do they get to the hospital and the doctors say 'Sorry he had a stroke outside rather than inside we cannot save him' I don't understand your thinking.

Come back to me with some valid points.

Saudi Red Cresent operates emergency strokes center which provide free of cost treatment as well a fleet of ambulances specialized for this purpose..still your argument doesnt make sense..why is UK gov no providing subsidized gas to those freezing to death or atleast let them burn wood?

The queen wasnt poor until the wealth looted from Africa and Indian subcontinent lasted, however now she wishes to use poverty assitance funds for heating the palace..as well the 15 million pounds grant is not enough either..inflation is taking a toll on your poor queen..God ma after all not save the queen when people are freezing to death and your queen complains about poverty.

15 million British pounds = 92.8232303 million Saudi riyals

Saudi King has donated more than that right out of his pocket to Pakistan. How much did your queen donate rather than roaching on tax payer money??

Those who are going to pick the oil wealth argument, well be aware that Saudi government does not charge taxes either..and only like 2% of oil revenues go to the royal family.

 

[888jamie888]

Saudi Red Cresent operates emergency strokes center which provide free of cost treatment as well a fleet of ambulances specialized for this purpose..still your argument doesnt make sense..why is UK gov no providing subsidized gas to those freezing to death or atleast let them burn wood?

The queen wasnt poor until the wealth looted from Africa and Indian subcontinent lasted, however now she wishes to use poverty assitance funds for heating the palace..as well the 15 million pounds grant is not enough either..inflation is taking a toll on your poor queen..God ma after all not save the queen when people are freezing to death and your queen complains about poverty.

15 million British pounds = 92.8232303 million Saudi riyals

Saudi King has donated more than that right out of his pocket to Pakistan. How much did your queen donate rather than roaching on tax payer money??

Those who are going to pick the oil wealth argument, well be aware that Saudi government does not charge taxes either..and only like 2% of oil revenues go to the royal family.

The UK does give out gas subsidies. No one has frozen to death, the cold just makes ill and elderly people worse.
And people can burn wood?
The Queen is funded by us so it would make sense that she would ask for more due to inflation. She is entitled to it. That is the way it is. She has a lot of big houses, it costs a lot to heat.

Good for your King. That is kind of him. The Queen is patron of over 600 charities. I don't know how much she gives but I bet she gives something.

I haven't even mentioned oil, only you have.
You just started a rant about how the Queen is poor and how Britain is enslaved. You also said that KSA was free. You've failed, again, to answer that.

 

[somebozo]

The UK does give out gas subsidies. No one has frozen to death, the cold just makes ill and elderly people worse.
And people can burn wood?
The Queen is funded by us so it would make sense that she would ask for more due to inflation. She is entitled to it. That is the way it is. She has a lot of big houses, it costs a lot to heat.

Good for your King. That is kind of him. The Queen is patron of over 600 charities. I don't know how much she gives but I bet she gives something.

I haven't even mentioned oil, only you have.
You just started a rant about how the Queen is poor and how Britain is enslaved. You also said that KSA was free. You've failed, again, to answer that.

Can you tell me why exactly is she entitled to enroach on tax payer money, and why are the british people funding her?? I am sure it is not by anyone will but rather taxed extortion by the corrupt British. Given the choice between reducing inflation or keeping the queen, I am sure many brits will vote to boot her out.

What she serves as is token of attestation to charities for the sake of boosting their PR..and may be get a commission on all donations collected..I have heard of beggers asking in the name of god, may be brits beg in the name of queen.

 

[Mo12]

In all honesty paying utility bills has become out of reach for most people these days.
My water bill stands at 50 pounds a month..It was 10 pounds a month in 2005...Later the water companies lobbied in parliament for law change and now have many privileges...in a country where it rains all the time...Gas bill stands at 40 pounds in summer and 80 to 100 pounds a month in winter,and prices are still rising.
this country is sold to corporate giants where every necessity of life id provided by a private company who has to make unlimited profit out of it..Government takes taxes but no direct benifit is reaped by common man except healthcare which is still one of the best in the world.

Unless its a emergency, otherwise you will have to get lucky to get a operation done within 3 months, because of long waiting times, and most surgeries are done on lottery, with people getting lucky and unlucky.

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Can you tell me why exactly is she entitled to enroach on tax payer money, and why are the british people funding her?? I am sure it is not by anyone will but rather taxed extortion by the corrupt British. Given the choice between reducing inflation or keeping the queen, I am sure many brits will vote to boot her out.

I agree with you, but people argue that the Queen attract tourists from all over the world, which boosts the UK economy. For example look at the Kate and Williams marriage, it attracted thousands of people to travel to England to see it.

 

[Chogy]

Most of the ardent capitalist block is fast approaching its death. In the last 100 years capitalism has given the world more wars, famine, destruction and suffering than Halaku and Chengiz Khan

Oh please... The body-count on the Communist side makes the "Capitalist" team look like chumps. Do you really want to compare?

Besides, no society is Capitalist. All nations today are a mixture on a sliding scale between theoretically pure capitalism, and pure communism. All societies have socialism in them.

Do people really believe top-hatted capitalists exist, like those from old USSR propaganda?

 

[below_freezing]

Oh please... The body-count on the Communist side makes the "Capitalist" team look like chumps. Do you really want to compare?

Besides, no society is Capitalist. All nations today are a mixture on a sliding scale between theoretically pure capitalism, and pure communism. All societies have socialism in them.

Do people really believe top-hatted capitalists exist, like those from old USSR propaganda?

Here you go.

The maximum total death toll of communism from 1900 to 2010 is probably 100 million using the absolute highest estimates. More conservative estimates put that at a mere 50 million. There's no hard data suggesting that even 50 million died.

However the maximum death toll from capitalism in India alone during the Republic of India period is over 100 million with PROVEN sources, using NO estimates. I can only assume that British India did worse.

The death toll from the capitalists fighting the capitalists in World War 1 is 9.8 million. The estimated crime of British capitalism is 29 million. The Vietnam War killed 3 million Vietnamese from direct fighting and untold from starvation.

There is an interesting trend:

All capitalist nations that were developed in 1900 are also developed nations today and have maintained their relative rankings. All capitalist nations that were poor or colonies in 1900, with the single exception of South Korea, are still poor today, and also have maintained their relative rankings.
All socialist nations that were developed in 1900 are also developed nations today and have maintained their relative rankings.
All socialist nations that were poor or colonies in 1900, with the single exception of North Korea, have all increased their relative rankings in all aspects.

Socialist poor nations undergo 1 famine, usually at time of founding, and never again.
Capitalist poor nations undergo multiple famines requiring multiple interventions.

Even South Korea was not developed as full capitalism. It had a planned economy with the government heavily subsidizing the development of a few large conglomerates (Chaebol): Samsung and Hyundai mostly.

There has been NO major country with population > 10 million that successfully developed with pure capitalism after 1920.

 

[fd24]

Oh please nobody is taking any notice of me help me. I am living in england getting very cold, please any country go to UN invade us and introduce us to different way of life. Save us

 

[Chogy]

It's not hard to play with data, or claim that "capitalists" did it. What is a capitalist anyway? A free-market believer? It was only when the CCP rejected their creaky State-based policies and allowed evil "capitalist" tendencies to intrude, that allowed China to boom economically.

Was China in 1955 MORE or LESS communist than today, overall? Is the China of 1955 MORE or LESS affluent and happy?

Capitalist poor nations undergo multiple famines requiring multiple interventions.

I'll type slowly so it's easy to read... There are no pure capitalist nations. There's no such thing. Nations cannot be inserted into a slot , like "Communist" or "Capitalist." They are always a mixture. Badly-handled free markets are as destructive as attempts at communism.

 

[below_freezing]

It's not hard to play with data, or claim that "capitalists" did it. What is a capitalist anyway? A free-market believer? It was only when the CCP rejected their creaky State-based policies and allowed evil "capitalist" tendencies to intrude, that allowed China to boom economically.

Was China in 1955 MORE or LESS communist than today, overall? Is the China of 1955 MORE or LESS affluent and happy?



I'll type slowly so it's easy to read... There are no pure capitalist nations. There's no such thing. Nations cannot be inserted into a slot , like "Communist" or "Capitalist." They are always a mixture. Badly-handled free markets are as destructive as attempts at communism.

Here's an interesting chart of whether China was better off economically in 1955, 6 years after implemenetation of socialist policies, and in 1985, 6 years after the implementation of more free market policies.

Economy of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1955 China's per capita GDP was 2.43% of the US's. It rose to historical heights in 1960.
In 1985 China's per capita GDP was 1.65% of the US's. It would not recover to 1955 levels until 2000.

This is what free market shock therapy gives you. But that's to be expected, as Deng is a typical US backed military dictator. His son is an American citizen just like other 3rd world military dictators.