2*MIG 35 >> RAFALE/EFT

[tvsram1992]

Why to buy rafales or eft which were now top 2 competitors of mmrca deal?
Just buy 2 mig 35's instead of one rafale or one euro fighter typhoon

I heard that trials at bangalore,jaisalmer and leh were completed,
EFT and RAFALE occupied first two positions.

Why mig 35 werw discussed in various threads and topics where greatness of mig 35 is described ,which proves it can win the deal .
Here we are going to discus why 2 migs.

Rafale/eft costs $85million so for that cost we can buy 2 migs as its unit cost is $ 38 million.

Why 2 migs?

Increases no. of squadrons as we buy more no. of migs

Less cost : We can get 2 mig 35 for cost of one rafale or eft

cost of rafale/eft=$85million
cost of 2 migs = 2*40=$80 million

More fuel

2 migs can carry more fuel, while combat both can undergo air air refuelling ie
if one carries more fuel and other carries more payload if fuel becomes less in one mig other can transfer fuel to other in case of emergency

More fuel means more range!

Rafale eft can carry 9000 kg of payload
where as 2 migs can carry 15000 kg payload, so double advantage.

Same rcs
While on a mission migs can move with mach speeds one hidden behind other which can go in formation at high speeds to confuse the enemy to think that one plane is coming.

Strategic bombing

Two migs can be useful for strategic bombing instead of high rcs strategic bomber

Both migs can bomb parallely at a time in two places which is not possible in case of single rafale. It has to come again to bomb parallely.

More air superiority

Being the most maneuverable fighter , 2 migs can carry double air to air weapons which increases its dominance.

More survivability

Two migs at dog fight means two different rcs which confuses a2 a missiles to decide which target to be hit.

So 2 migs can prove to be more dominant even at dog fight or strategic/tactical bombing

so better to buy 252-400 migs instead of 126-200 rafale/eft


This proves disadvantageous only in case of light weight air craft carrier where size of planes and their weight becomes important. In this case rafales can be used

Questions and opinions are welcomed heartily.

 

[tvsram1992]

Also it increases diplomatic relations with russia which can last for a century if we buy more migs.

It is indirectly funding for mig 1.44 which was called off due to lack of funding.
In future we can buy mig 1.44 with full tot or we can be partner which increases our knowledge and experience related to stealthy aircraft , and we can make mca more successful if we mix t-50 and mig 1.44 technologies in it.

Mig 1.44 can be more stealthier than f22!

 

[tvsram1992]

We get mki version of mig 35 so that we can develop it more with indian,french,israel and other foregin technologies which could not be possible very easily with rafale and eft.

Open architecture
The final configuration of the MiG-35's onboard equipment has been left open intentionally using the MIL-STD-1553 bus.[20] The main advantage of an open architecture configuration for its avionics is that future customers will have options to choose from components and systems made by Russian, United States, French and Israeli sources. The Ramenskoe Design Company will act as systems integrator .

So more advantage to us .

 

[Royan]

Biggest Problem.........
IAF finds the Mig-35 Engine to be"Under-powered"

 

[ArjunaTheWarrior]

We get mki version of mig 35 so that we can develop it more with indian,french,israel and other foregin technologies which could not be possible very easily with rafale and eft.

and 1 rafale or Typhhon can drown 2 Mig - 35 MKIs... may b more.,,

 

[tvsram1992]

Biggest Problem.........
IAF finds the Mig-35 Engine to be"Under-powered"

Yes its true but u can say it will be better than IAF's mig 29 nah.
By mkising it we can get engine developed or new engine for that. Russia sent it with temporary engine to india to make it survive in the deal. New engine can be taken from flankers or........
its maximum take-off weight has increased by 30 percent which exceeds its previous criteria of classification.
It has aesa radar also.
The airframe lifetime and its service life have been extended and it is fitted with new engines with longer mean time between overhauls (MTBO), resulting in a decrease in flight-hour cost of almost 2.5 times compared to those of the old variants. The new engines are now smokeless and include a FADEC type electronic control system for better performance. All aspect vector nozzles which had been demonstrated on MiG-29OVT are also optional.

 

[tvsram1992]

and 1 rafale or Typhhon can drown 2 Mig - 35 MKIs... may b more.,,

even 1 mig 21 with bvr and other new avionics can drown even f22 , depends on situation and many reasons like pilot skills, tactical timing etc...

 

[Nakul]

I would have loved to see su35 instead of mig35 but dont know why they are not offered to India

 

[Paan Singh]

actually iaf wants to move west as russia supply weapons to china and to pakistan also.so there shud be a difference b/w the tech the nations have got.

 

[alphaxindia]

EFT is more important to buy because we can partner with Britain, Italy, Germany to manufacture this fighters and also gain much needed expertise to design and manufacture AMCA and may in 2030 our own Heavy Fighter. It is not that we sideline Russia, but as Russia sidelines NATO and go on with deals with France, we should improve relations by doing this type of give and take business with Europe.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

i think the following factors need to be considered:

1. relaibility: relaibility of russian components is not as good compared to western components.
2. maintainability: russian systems are difficult to maintain. they r not user friendly.
3. product support: historically speaking post 1992 russians have a really bad history of product support. which is why IAF fighters have low serviceability percentage.

while one can argue, on merits of 02 mig-35 vs EF or Rafale we need to understand, the mig 35 is still under development where as both these fighters are totally operational. also wen we look at product life cycle support Ef/rafale fare much better then Mig 35.

i will give u an example, mirage 2000 have excellent serviceability of around 90%. where as for su-30 it is hovering around 60%. i would rather go with a fighter with high relaibility cas in operations u look for relaibility and low turn around time. in that area EF and rafale score heavily.

also, i think indian govt is pretty cheesed with russian on gorshkov deal, they unilaterally almost doubled the price. so i think Mig-35 has very low chance of clinching the deal.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

My Brother

MIG 35 intregated with Isreal and French Technologies = approx $ 65 million.

Russian don't want French or Isreali Engg Touch MIG 35 they want to do all integration so cost adds up (Logistic Transportation)

Russian are already Happy with us (Figrates, Submarines, Aircarft carrier, Main battle tank (T90), FGFA, Medium Transport Aircraft, Technologies etc)

American (M777 ultralight howitzer, C-130J Hercules cargo planes, C-17 Globemaster transport aircraft, P-81 maritime reconnaissance planes, Harpoon Block III anti-ship missiles, Javelin anti-tank guided missiles, USS Trenton Boeing's AH-64D Apache Longbow, Technologies etc)

Isreal (Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems, Air defence system (Sypder, Iron Dome, barak) Radars, Technologies etc)

French (Submarines, Upgrades, Technologies)

so now its chance for European now we spend some euros

 

[T90TankGuy]

I would have loved to see su35 instead of mig35 but dont know why they are not offered to India

the su 35 has been offered ,its just in a diffrent class (30 ton)
also the IAF is looking for quality and quantity as money is no longer the issue , they want the best.

 

[jagjitnatt]

2 Mig 35's are not better than a single Rafale or a Typhoon.

Two aircraft will require twice the maintenance, twice the amount of ammunition, fuel, and spares. So in the long run, they will be at least twice as expensive as a ginel fighter, and taking into account the maintenance issues with Russian hardware it is safe to assume that 2 Mig-35 will have 3 times more maintenance cost as compared to a single Rafale or Typhoon.

Then comes the question of combat abilities, weapons package, and sensors. Rafale and Typhoon beat the Mig-35 in all these parameters. The Typhoon will see Mig-35 first, will have the shoot first option, and with longer ranged, more accurate missiles like the Meteor, will score a kill before the two Migs can close in.

 

[luckyyy]

2 Mig 35's are not better than a single Rafale or a Typhoon.

Two aircraft will require twice the maintenance, twice the amount of ammunition, fuel, and spares. So in the long run, they will be at least twice as expensive as a ginel fighter, and taking into account the maintenance issues with Russian hardware it is safe to assume that 2 Mig-35 will have 3 times more maintenance cost as compared to a single Rafale or Typhoon.

Then comes the question of combat abilities, weapons package, and sensors. Rafale and Typhoon beat the Mig-35 in all these parameters. The Typhoon will see Mig-35 first, will have the shoot first option, and with longer ranged, more accurate missiles like the Meteor, will score a kill before the two Migs can close in.

if that's the case then even su-30mki has no chance against Typhoon....
but that actually ture...not