1965 War Documentary Fath-e-Mobin

[Windjammer]

lol... truth hurts... right? atleast be glad that you were able to defend lahore and managed to plead for a cease fire.. otherwise today bangladesh would have been the pakistan..lol..

Get a life kid, go first learn who pleaded for ceasefire, , after the devastation of Pathankot, with MiGs getting destroyed, the Russians were calling you as ''Cows sitting in the Cockpits''.....seems the mindset hasn't improved much either.

 

[Delnavaz B]

Spoken like a true student of military history. Why don't you go and play in some other kind of forum? This subject obviously taxes your understanding and your limited knowledge.

Since me info AKA your knowledge is different since i don't follow blindly political motivated enemy Air Chief's statements.
For your info knowledge and information are two different things. Knowledge we called we personally or practically live but books gives us only information.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Op Gibraltar was in April?



As for pleading, please give me proof we did so, oh wait you don't have any.

The Rann of Kutch hostilities took place in April.

This extract is from a neutral source.

The Security Council passed Resolution 211 on September 20 calling for an end to the fighting and negotiations on the settlement of the Kashmir problem, and the United States and the United Kingdom supported the UN decision by cutting off arms supplies to both belligerents. This ban affected both belligerents, but Pakistan felt the effects more keenly since it had a much weaker military in comparison to India.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/india-pakistan-war

Since me info AKA your knowledge is different since i don't follow blindly political motivated enemy Air Chief's statements.
For your info knowledge and information are two different things. Knowledge we called we personally or practically done but books gives us only information.

In that case, considering my background and your background, there is no need for you to stay in this discussion any longer.

I just quoted you what your Gen says in other words he accepted that by mistake they accepted UN demand citing the reason of short supplies in fact they only use 20% of the ammo but lack of coordination led this mistake. Pakistan never demanded ceasefire in 1965 but after India's acceptance diplomatic pressure mounted on Pakistan to accept.
And please pay respect and debate. Don't use words liar etc etc.
As you said your are EX army man.
By the way which front you fought the 1965 war share some experience.

In 1965, I was at Sainik School, a 15 year old schoolboy. Where did you see military service? Please share your experience and your current status.

 

[Delnavaz B]

The Rann of Kutch hostilities took place in April.

This extract is from a neutral source.

The Security Council passed Resolution 211 on September 20 calling for an end to the fighting and negotiations on the settlement of the Kashmir problem, and the United States and the United Kingdom supported the UN decision by cutting off arms supplies to both belligerents. This ban affected both belligerents, but Pakistan felt the effects more keenly since it had a much weaker military in comparison to India.




In that case, considering my background and your background, there is no need for you to stay in this discussion any longer.

And you are not the deciding authority even you are guest here on this forum don't take it as granted.

Ask your countrymen to leave this thread who continuously trolling and copy pasting wiki and random war pictures.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Since me info AKA your knowledge is different since i don't follow blindly political motivated enemy Air Chief's statements.
For your info knowledge and information are two different things. Knowledge we called we personally or practically live but books gives us only information.

Good.

Then you can read Major Agha Amin's account of these battles and get yourself informed or knowledgeable, whichever you choose, for either will be an improvement. Or you can read Brigadier Z. A. Khan's account of the war. Same thing; you will improve either knowledge or information, and you seem to need that.

 

[Delnavaz B]

In 1965, I was at Sainik School, a 15 year old schoolboy. Where did you see military service? Please share your experience and your current status.

Nice first you said you were there means in war what i understand anyways i am not in army but belongs to a family of military men.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And you are not the deciding authority even you are guest here on this forum don't take it as granted.

Ask your countrymen to leave this thread who continuously trolling and copy pasting wiki and random war pictures.

I suggest that you learn something before entering a discussion. If you see my record, what I have achieved as a guest is beyond you as a host. And before asking me to ask my countrymen, who are putting up hard core facts and embarrassing your fanboy romancing, you should first withdraw yourself and learn about the subject.

Nice first you said you were there means in war what i understand anyways i am not in army but belongs to a family of military men.

Oh, wow. Knowledge by osmosis. Great stuff, that. So you need no information, and don't need to read books, because you have knowledge. And your knowledge is not through your personal experience, but through that of others whom you have heard.

 

[Delnavaz B]

Good.

Then you can read Major Agha Amin's account of these battles and get yourself informed or knowledgeable, whichever you choose, for either will be an improvement. Or you can read Brigadier Z. A. Khan's account of the war. Same thing; you will improve either knowledge or information, and you seem to need that.

I know this person personally my uncle's batch mate a big time drunkard fired / retired from the army because of discipline issues when he refuses to obey orders from the senior.
Maj. Agha H. Amin Retd
But his rest of the brothers are really good officers.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I know this person personally my uncle's batch mate a big time drunkard fires from the army because of discipline issues when he refuses to obey orders from the senior.
Maj. Agha H. Amin Retd
But his rest of the brothers are really good officers.

He still has more authority than you. So I suggest you take him a bottle of brandy and learn.

 

[Delnavaz B]

I suggest that you learn something before entering a discussion. If you see my record, what I have achieved as a guest is beyond you as a host. And before asking me to ask my countrymen, who are putting up hard core facts and embarrassing your fanboy romancing, you should first withdraw yourself and learn about the subject.



Oh, wow. Knowledge by osmosis. Great stuff, that. So you need no information, and don't need to read books, because you have knowledge. And your knowledge is not through your personal experience, but through that of others whom you have heard.

As for as history reading i read many books on Indo Pak wars and get some clarifications from real army men at home.

 

[Hamza913]

What a sickening character to gloat over the death of a civilian who died of natural causes. You are really the pits. And you know nothing, absolutely nothing, about the military history of these clashes, as your foolish remarks about the gap between Operation Gibraltar and Indian military action in the Sialkot and Lahore sectors show clearly. Why are you here?

I was just saying what happened, not my fault you cannot handle the harsh reality about your PM.

As for my "foolish remarks", they are the truth, how about you look it up rather than acting condescending?

 

[Delnavaz B]

He still has more authority than you. So I suggest you take him a bottle of brandy and learn.

You always have references from shadowy characters like Asghar khan, Agha H Amin etc but these chaps have some reasons to bash Pakistan army first one political motivated and the second one doing this because he was booted out from the army.
I don't think so an elderly drunkard has some authority over the issues which i was well informed than him.

 

[Hamza913]

The Rann of Kutch hostilities took place in April.

This extract is from a neutral source.

The Security Council passed Resolution 211 on September 20 calling for an end to the fighting and negotiations on the settlement of the Kashmir problem, and the United States and the United Kingdom supported the UN decision by cutting off arms supplies to both belligerents. This ban affected both belligerents, but Pakistan felt the effects more keenly since it had a much weaker military in comparison to India.

Your source does not say we started hostilities, all it says is that we were weaker, which only further makes 1965 look like an Indian defeat.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As for as history reading i read many books on Indo Pak wars and get some clarifications from real army men at home.

Get lost, kid. You know nothing and you have done nothing but blabber through your last half-a-dozen posts. First learn something solid.

And if you are telling the truth about reading many books on Indo-Pak wars, list them. There will be a quiz based on that list.

Your source does not say we started hostilities, all it says is that we were weaker, which only further makes 1965 look like an Indian defeat.

Go back to YouTube and get the correct picture.

You always have references from shadowy characters like Asghar khan, Agha H Amin etc but these chaps have some reasons to bash Pakistan army first one political motivated and the second one doing this because he was booted out from the army.
I don't think so an elderly drunkard has some authority over the issues which i was well informed than him.

YOU are informed? But you just said information comes from reading books. Was it your father or your uncle who wrote?

 

[Delnavaz B]

There will be a quiz based on that list.

What a joke this was...
Are you serious?
This is an open forum and you have no authority over me so stop using bad words. An ex army man does't have manners how to debate with the lady / member.
Just stop replying me and tries to ignore.