1965 War Documentary Fath-e-Mobin

[Joe Shearer]

Maj. Gen G.D Bakshi Retd said on of his interview (available on Youtube) that because of mismanagement Indian Gen wrongly calculated ammunition reserves and hastily advise Govt to accept UN demand of ceasefire in fact Pakistan is low on ammunition reserves.
Which proves India need ceasefire whatever is the reason by mistake or anything else so Indian claim Pakistan ask for ceasefire is wrong.

No, your own language proves you wrong. The Indian COAS advised that the UN demand for ceasefire be accepted; he did not ask for a ceasefire. It was still the Pakistanis who asked for a ceasefire. As you may have read, if you were reading the uploads, Pakistan's reserves, both of ammunition and of aviation supplies, were used up and she initiated the demand for a ceasefire.

It would not have been surprising for India to call a halt to hostilities when they finally stopped, because there was far more Pakistani territory under Indian control than the other way around. As it happens, that was not the case.

 

[Hamza913]

yes it did. we were not expecting any attack from pak, that is why it took us 2 weeks to contain situation and when there was imminant danger of pak breakthrough in kashmir, we decided to open another front in punjab. it worked like a charm. we were not only able to defend kashmir but capture lot of land in lahore sector. even in april, you were the aggressors. it was a testing ground about our capability..

Please, give me proof we were the aggressors in April?

As for the rest of what you wrote, total codswallop. We didn't plan another attack, instead you planned one, but it failed as you never managed to capture Lahore and Sialkot like you intended.

 

[Sneaker]

Here you go again, schools must be on summer break, Grand Trunk aka GT road is not just inside Pakistan, it runs between Amritsar and Lahore..... poor fellow was probably keen to get to the Lahore gymkhana for the victory toast, instead ended up with his division turned into a toast. ... now run along and finish your homework.

lol... truth hurts... right? atleast be glad that you were able to defend lahore and managed to plead for a cease fire.. otherwise today bangladesh would have been the pakistan..lol..

 

[Hamza913]

Try...That will be a good brain exercise.

I am not going to bother, so either you tell me or this conversation is over.

 

[Delnavaz B]

No, your own language proves you wrong. The Indian COAS advised that the UN demand for ceasefire be accepted; he did not ask for a ceasefire. It was still the Pakistanis who asked for a ceasefire. As you may have read, if you were reading the uploads, Pakistan's reserves, both of ammunition and of aviation supplies, were used up and she initiated the demand for a ceasefire.

It would not have been surprising for India to call a halt to hostilities when they finally stopped, because there was far more Pakistani territory under Indian control than the other way around. As it happens, that was not the case.

I just quoted you what your Gen says in other words he accepted that by mistake they accepted UN demand citing the reason of short supplies in fact they only use 20% of the ammo but lack of coordination led this mistake. Pakistan never demanded ceasefire in 1965 but after India's acceptance diplomatic pressure mounted on Pakistan to accept.
And please pay respect and debate. Don't use words liar etc etc.
As you said your are EX army man.
By the way which front you fought the 1965 war share some experience.

 

[Hamza913]

lol... truth hurts... right? atleast be glad that you were able to defend lahore and managed to plead for a cease fire.. otherwise today bangladesh would have been the pakistan..lol..

Oh the irony, it was YOU who pleaded for the ceasefire, and it was you who's PM died after signing it!

 

[Sneaker]

Please, give me proof we were the aggressors in April?

As for the rest of what you wrote, total codswallop. We didn't plan another attack, instead you planned one, but it failed as you never managed to capture Lahore and Sialkot like you intended.

really laughed... you started op gibralter, we didn't. what next? proof that sun gives light? the fact that you miscalculated the indian response before starting the aggression is the well known reason for your defeat...

Oh the irony, it was YOU who pleaded for the ceasefire, and it was you who's PM died after signing it!

we accepted. you pleaded. we were at the gates of lahore. you had nowhere else to run.

 

[Joe Shearer]

yes it did. we were not expecting any attack from pak, that is why it took us 2 weeks to contain situation and when there was imminant danger of pak breakthrough in kashmir, we decided to open another front in punjab. it worked like a charm. we were not only able to defend kashmir but capture lot of land in lahore sector. even in april, you were the aggressors. it was a testing ground about our capability..

Sorry, @Sneaker , that is the wrong answer and the wrong information.

We were attacked by Pakistan on the 1st of September, and we reacted only four days later. There is no 2 weeks gap except in the imagination of the person you are answering, who has become known for having no concrete knowledge of facts relating to military history whatsoever, but depends on Wikipedia and YouTube.

He probably does not even know that there was an attack, codenamed Operation Grand Slam, prepared and planned by Lt. General Akhtar Hussain Malik, GOC, XII Corps, which was launched against India on the 1st of September, after it became clear that Gibraltar was a failure. He had, in fact, been allowed by Musa Khan to go ahead with his planning, although in the minds of Musa Khan and Ayub Khan, the Kashmiris were ripe for revolt, and would join the SSG troops who were sent in as Operation Gibraltar's planning demanded.

There were four days needed to react. There was no Pakistani breakthrough in Kashmir as a result of Operation Gibraltar; there was a serious situation, salvaged by rushing troops in by Harbaksh Singh, and there was a new front opened, as I mentioned, four days later.

You were right about April. It was Brigadier Iftekhar who led armoured troops against lightly armed border guards and brushed them aside in the Rann of Kutch, and which led to Pakistani over-confidence about their prospects with Gibraltar. Brigadier Iftekhar, as Lt. Gen. Iftekhar, exactly repeated General Malik's plan of 65 in 1971, but with brilliant success. He was one of the better generals that Pakistan had, and we were fortunate that he died in battle.

 

[Delnavaz B]

we were at the gates of lahore.

Gates always will be the place for faithful and loyal animal to human.

 

[Hamza913]

really laughed... you started op gibralter, we didn't. what next? proof that sun gives light? the fact that you miscalculated the indian response before starting the aggression is the well known reason for your defeat...


we accepted. you pleaded. we were at the gates of lahore. you had nowhere else to run.

Op Gibraltar was in April?



As for pleading, please give me proof we did so, oh wait you don't have any.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Oh the irony, it was YOU who pleaded for the ceasefire, and it was you who's PM died after signing it!

What a sickening character to gloat over the death of a civilian who died of natural causes. You are really the pits. And you know nothing, absolutely nothing, about the military history of these clashes, as your foolish remarks about the gap between Operation Gibraltar and Indian military action in the Sialkot and Lahore sectors show clearly. Why are you here?

 

[Sneaker]

No way that pride only Indian army have. KIA is lot better then being a yellow coward.

let your wish come true. in all the future conflict, let us be cowards let you be KIA. i got no problem with that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Gates always will be the place for faithful and loyal animal to human.

Spoken like a true student of military history. Why don't you go and play in some other kind of forum? This subject obviously taxes your understanding and your limited knowledge.

 

[Sneaker]

He died in battle. Because he was not COWARD to run away .....

India lost in Run of Kutch
India lost in Kashmir
India failed to capture Lahore
India failed to capture Sialkot
India failed to divide Pakistan in two halves (a popular claim still used a lot)
It was desperate utter defeat of India who despite of being six times bigger power end up defending its own land against out number & out gunned enemy.

But indeed current Indian generation is brain washed to believe so that they have NEVER lost a war. This is how propaganda thing work.
After defeat of 62 against China, it was necessary to cover up defeat of 65 against Pakistan.

But again, future generation of India (if there will be any) will claim that they won 62 war too .....

So good luck with all such glorious victories of yours ....... lol

so rest of pak army are cowards for running away from kashmir? we gained in runn of kutch, see international arbitration verdict, we defended kashmir. thqt itself a defeat for you

 

[Hamza913]

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@Solomon2

Is it true some PAF pilot shot down your jets in Arab - Israel conflicts ?

Did you even bother to read my links?