1326 Year Old Mosque at Risk of Collapsing

[anonymus]

That is all rubbish. The split in Islam happened from its earliest days after Mohammad's death before Iranians were Muslim and has to do with Arab infighting over the succession to the Prophet. It has nothing to do with us.

It took about 250 to 300 years before the demographics of the Iranian population tilted from being mainly non-Muslim to becoming predominantly Musim. Before the 16th century CE, there were only small pockets of Shi'as among the Persian population. Only in northwest Iran were Shi'a in bigger concentrations, mainly among the Turkic tribes. The Shi'a branch was introduced to the rest of Iranians by the Safavids who were from a militant confederation of Irano-Turkic tribes that followed a Shi'a-Sufi heterodoxy from northwest Iran. After they had conquered and politically reunified the Iranian heartland and established their rule, they decided to opt for Shi'a Islam as the state religion and convert the rest of Iranians to follow this branch. They did this by inviting Shi'a clerics from Lebanon to settle in Iran and spread Shi'a Islam among the people.

So the main branch / school of Shi'a Islam in Iran today came to us first from Lebanon in the 16th century. The Safavids themselves also converted to this orthodox Shi'a Islam from their original Shi'a-Sufi heterodoxy that they followed when they were just tribal militants from northwest Iran.

While the split in Islam happened in it's earlier days, Shiites were never strong enough to avoid complete marginalization at the hand of Sunni's. My point was not about " When the split happened" but about " Who developed shi'ism's theology ".

+ shi'ism wasn't introduced by safavid's, in Iran. They just forced every Iranian to follow twelver ideology.

some snippets from the article linked.

In the early stages, the Shīʿites used this legitimism to cover the protest against the Arab hegemony under the Umayyads and to agitate for social reform.

Gradually, however, Shīʿism developed a theological content for its political stand. Probably undergnostic (esoteric, dualistic, and speculative) and old Iranian (dualistic) influences, the figure of the political ruler, the imam (exemplary “leader”), was transformed into a metaphysical being, a manifestation of God and the primordial light that sustains the universe and bestows true knowledge on humanity. Through the imam alone the hidden and true meaning of the Qurʾānic revelation can be known, because the imam alone is infallible. The Shīʿites thus developed a doctrine of esoteric knowledge that was adopted also, in a modified form, by the Sufis. The orthodox Shīʿites recognize 12 such imams, the last (Muhammad) having disappeared in the 9th century. Since that time, the mujtahids (i.e., the Shīʿite divines) have been able to interpret law and doctrine under the putative guidance of the imam, who will return toward the end of time to fill the world with truth and justice.

Islam (religion) :: Shi'ism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

 

[ای ایران]

While the split in Islam happened in it's earlier days, Shiites were never strong enough to avoid complete marginalization at the hand of Sunni's. My point was not about " When the split happened" but about " Who developed shi'ism's theology ".

+ shi'ism wasn't introduced by safavid's, in Iran. They just forced every Iranian to follow twelver ideology.

some snippets from the article linked.

Islam (religion) :: Shi'ism -- Encyclopedia Britannica

We dont need an Indian that read one article on the internet to teach us our history thanks. You want to know something about Shi'a Islam or Iranian history then go to a library or buy some books to find out how Iranians became Shi'a and what Shi'a Islam is.

And the centre of Shi'a learning and theology is Najaf in Iraq, not Iran. The Ottomans controlled Iraq for centuries and could not extinguish Shi'a Islam from there. And whether or not Zoroastrianism and other Iranian religious and philosophical ideas influenced Shi'a Islam is a matter of perspective and debate, not one of fact. But yes there are many interesting parallels that could be postulated about this, none however are definitive. OTHO, the fact still is that Arabs laid the foundations and were developing the basis of the Shi'a branch before Iranians had even started converting to Islam.

 

[Full Moon]

I used the Arabic alphabet because this is the base of the alphabet that was adapted by the literate people of Iran in the 10th century CE, a different time and age when Arabs were not considered to be the enemies of Iranians. Your Umayyads, who were our enemies, had already been consigned to the dust-bin of history centuries before after Iranian peasants from Khorasan joined the Hashimiyya and revolted against, and then extinguished, these barbarian Umayyads. So our score had already been settled by the time Iranians finally decided that they could co-opt and adapt Islam to our own civilization and perspective, which is what we did much to the chagrin of modern Arabists.

You can write all the bullshit you want. Fact is, you either believe that Mohammad was a Prophet and that the initial Muslim expansion was a prophecy and blessing of Allah on Mohammad as his early companions, or you believe that Mohammad was just an Arab and that the Arab victories were one of pure luck that came just after the Romans and Persians had exhausted themselves during the 20 year war, making an Arab assault on the Middle East just after the great war an easy task as there was no real armies left on either side to resist their advance.

If you believe in the former, you obviously believe in the Islamic narrative. If you believe in the latter, then obviously you are not a Muslim and Islam to you is just an Arab invention and imperialism as those early victories were just Arab victories and not divine blessings on the Muslims. So which is it?

That’s a nice maneuver. You appear not to hold any belief as you previously indicated (as the case with huge number of Iranians). Yet, you bring religion into the subject for the apparent lack of a convincing defense. Guess what, it is perhaps only you, Persians, and some Arab nationalists, that see the 7th century's conquest as an Arab conquest. It is the self-victimization feeling you can’t get enough of it. Let alone the effect of the Pahlavi regime’s institutionalized propaganda that made the Islamic conquest the “secular version of Ashura”.

I have said it a number of times, I am a practicing Muslim. What you don’t know is that a lot of Arabs love to tease Persians with the story of conquest when they see them misbehave towards them. They wouldn’t normally talk about any other conquests of other nations without a reason, let alone teasing them for it.

It is already way too ancient to matter. But, with devoted Persian nationalists, reminding them of it is just a pure fun. The road for them is pretty long. I see many of them bothered by a common Islamic greeting like: Salam. They would teach each other to only use Dorood (pure Persian). Well, that’s a good start for de-Arabizing Farsi (Parsi). Good luck.

 

[al-Hasani]

Arabs from the peninsula have been tearing down their own history for years. Dont expect them to do anything about this. They are the biggest vandals of history and now even their own historical sites arent safe from them!

What a clownish comment Farsi.

Yemen is one of the most ancient countries in the world with one of the most impressive civilizations. It has several World UNESCO Heritage Sites and it would have had many more had their been money and awareness enough to not neglect heritage like with this historic mosque - one of the oldest in the world.

Ancient history of Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic history of Yemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In general though Yemen is famous for its ancient and historic cities. Sana'a itself which is one of the most ancient cities in the world is a World UNESCO Heritage Site itself and visiting it is like stepping back in time. It's simply amazing and I have never seen or heard about such a big city that is as well-preserved and located 2300 meters above sea level at the same time.

Sana'a - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So all in all an moronic comment. The same is the case with Oman, Bahrain and many provinces of KSA. Even Kuwait has quite a lot of heritage for their size. Qatar too although less.

A few simple Google searches would confirm this.

Yemen is one of the best preserved ancient countries on earth. Only complete ignorant clowns would claim otherwise. Every single village has ancient heritage whenever you look.

Lastly Shia Islam has nothing to do with Iranians. It's purely Arabic and so are all of it's supposed 12 Imams and by far most scholars. It's most important shrines are located in Arab lands as well.

They will build a Paris Hilton lingerie store on top of it.

Paris Hilton whips up a storm in holy Mecca - CNN.com

Farsi you do realize that Makkah is one of the biggest cities in the ME, right? There are all kind of shops. Last time I checked handbags and women accessories are not haram are they? Or have your satanic fire-worshipping and fake wannabe Arab Mullah's just deemed that to be the case today?