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Well said.

Can there be any cost effective pre-emptive warning system in place for such remote posts?

For example few towers erected some radius away from post, or even at the post, that detect movement (PIR {passive infrared} sensor etc.) and alert the respective post as well as next closest ones, or some central command?


I have real cheap camera in home that has night vision, and detects movements some 10-15 feet away and generates text alerts on my phone and automatically pops open the camera app for me to see who or what moved. Pretty sure there would exist sensors that have much longer range.

May be few cheap cameras on those towers as well so that post could verify if the alert is a sheepherder with herd of cattle or some suspicious group moving towards the post?

A low cost tower with some solar panel and a cheap camera and few sensors, and a monitor-receiver at the post should do the job.

Like you said posts in such territories are few and far between, so we won't need that many of such towers.

Sure they may get blown by the attackers, but that itself would be an alert that something sinister is on the way. (Breaking of the communication from such towers should generate alerts).

They could camouflage such alerting devices in shape of rocks or put them inside bushes or on trees, may be!

I don't think it should be that expensive to come up with such alerting system.




This shows lack of foresight and planning. The rescuers themselves getting ambushed.
I have written it few times before that our military does not seem to learn from past experiences and don't plan accordingly.
Getting bit by same tactic over and over and over and over and over again. Enemy's modus operandi does not seem to have changed much but they still are successful.

I can recall at least 3 incidences few years apart where attackers entered from the back wall using a ladder.
No lesson was learnt from previous attack's modus operandi, no memo was sent probably, no adjustments to security arrangement was made. Hence the attackers successfully used same approach again.
They just kept climbing the walls of air bases and police training academy using ladders.

Kehtay hain muslaman aik sooraakh se doe baar dasaaa nahi jata.
Ya hum musalman nahi ya phir muhawara ghalat hay.



Some years back BLA (or one of those) released a footage of their attacks on Pak Army.
Almost all of the attacks involved explosive that was planted under the culverts (barsati naalaa? that channel water under the roads).
Timestamp on those attacks spanned over years.
So in all those years our Pak Army trucks kept getting hit by exact same modus operandi. i.e. under-road culverts being blown up remotely.
If after first such attack, there was a memo sent across to all on-road conveys to make some arrangement to map-out and then inspect any upcoming culverts by sending single soldier on a bike, ahead of the rest of the convoy, etc. then many of those casualties may have been avoided.

My suggested solutions may sound naive but I'm not trained in military tactics. Those who are, should know many more methods.



Where did you get these coordinates?
There does seem to be some installation at this location.

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Google maps they said it was around Sibdan Top but found Sibdan Pass and found this to somewhat make sense according to pics posted by pro terrorist accounts.
 
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We also need to reconsider

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You know this guy well, his Karachi posting, what happened, how, where and then his retirement. I see that, something as such is revisiting in Balochistan as well. There needs to be an internal affairs check once again as where we are lacking.
 
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First of all, let me disconnect everything.

Leave the COAS, ISPR out of this (am not defending them of course, but then once you start the blame game, why dont you take names of all who are down the chain till the POST COMMANDER himself, the man who was well-equipped, enough manpower to hold his post.....its not fair to blame the COAS only....).


Another fact, the nearest base to this unfortunate post is more than 30 kms away. Second, they are not connected by any road, motorway or anything. Its not a normal drive whereby you can reach there in half an hour. It takes balls that you are ready to stretch your outfit over such a vast area just because situation demands, logic doesnt demands.
Sir if you can please indulge laymen like us for a few more minutes, it will be really helpful to understand the complex situation. Based on your explanation above I have two questions if you can answer:

1) Does the local post Commander have the jurisdiction to call in Air support? Or does he needs to go through all the chain of command to request?

2) As you mentioned the nearest post is 30 Kms away and there are no roads or motorways to connect, on the contrary how long would have it taken for Army aviation Cobra's to reach the site? What about PAF?
 
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our position on Iran. Ever since we helped the Persians destroy Jindullah, they've been helping our enemies. It is time to reverse it, as no attack in Pakistan is possible without logistical support of IRGC.

We need to build an alliance with Iran's adversaries, just like they're doing to us with India. Let Iran's enemies take care of the IRGC, Sistan, Ahawaz and other Iranian fault lines.

Iran has to realize the cost of its actions. Maybe reboot Jindullah, Americans and Arabs will love it.

I am sure the people in knowing, knows well as what's happening. But in my opinion, instead of rebooting the monster; I would rather go for the hunt of their assets and hurt them more than anything else. Start with making it costly for them since they will have to lose their assets everywhere. Hunt these rats and by chasing cross the border. Some hits in shadow every now & then. Take down their mouthpieces within land, media or anyone within politics or even NGOs. The so-called alliance this & that needs to dismantled. I believe that Iran influence is through religious gateway & many patrons within political parties as well. They do have assets like of those who are more loyal to Iran.

In the meantime, we have no offering of guarantee for Iranian Border and they will have to take care for themselves same as like we are left on our own. This way, my hands aren't dirty and Iran should be made to learn good one. But, before all that; there has to be credible evidences, proofs & references to make a go. Unfortunately, we had enough of those in the past as well but then again; we are looking at the will to be shown by political setup which is more infected & corrupt having sellouts.
 
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I am saddened to hear about the loss of the Jawans. I hope the hunt down operation is extensive and the ISPR release will reveal the cost exacted on the militants.
 
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We both understand that the role of MOI in military affairs of FC is non existent. The Comd of FC is not a civilian bureaucrat sitting in an airconed room on Constitution Avenue.

Simple fact of the matter is, these morons must not be given the right to commit violence. SSG Navy is deployed, PAF is deployed in the province, Marines are deployed, Army is deployed. It doesn't take Sun Tzu to understand that appropriate measures can be taken to once and for all wipe out this insurgency. What's missing is a willingness.

@PanzerKiel @SQ8
For Getting sympathies from the pak civilians, look how military is important for a sovereign nation, look how military is sacrificing there lives for the nation, this is only reason i can understand stopping our gernails to go after these Balochi terrorists once for all, I salutes General Raheel sharif who ruthlessly eliminated TTP scumbags from sawat and wazirstian , and I believe if military want to crush BLA its just matter of weeks for them not months
 
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Drones were apparently too far away from the scene. Choppers were sanctioned to fly late.

Apparently drones aren’t kept on air stations but on ground until need arises.

IRGC needs to be f’d. They were the only ones to rejoice Indian incursion on Feb 26, making public statements about undertaking strikes inside Pak. Until they got shut up, post 27th.
 
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I wonder what would they have gone through when they fought for 5 hours and still there was no backup ...... massive disappointment.
I was also thinking about the feelings of the last man who kept on fighting in fifth hour, while his fellows' bodies were lying around.
Did he still hope for reinforcement? Was he feeling given up by the nation of 250 million, he was fighting for?

Individuals desert armies. It happens. That last man fighting was deserted by his army.
 
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I am sure the people in knowing, knows well as what's happening. But in my opinion, instead of rebooting the monster; I would rather go for the hunt of their assets and hurt them more than anything else. Start with making it costly for them since they will have to lose their assets everywhere. Hunt these rats and by chasing cross the border. Some hits in shadow every now & then. Take down their mouthpieces within land, media or anyone within politics or even NGOs. The so-called alliance this & that needs to dismantled. I believe that Iran influence is through religious gateway & many patrons within political parties as well. They do have assets like of those who are more loyal to Iran.

In the meantime, we have no offering of guarantee for Iranian Border and they will have to take care for themselves same as like we are left on our own. This way, my hands aren't dirty and Iran should be made to learn good one. But, before all that; there has to be credible evidences, proofs & references to make a go. Unfortunately, we had enough of those in the past as well but then again; we are looking at the will to be shown by political setup which is more infected & corrupt having sellouts.
I dont think Pakistan needs any reason or excuses to activate their influence in Sunni Iranian regions.
 
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Dont ask the authorities what happened here. How can someone have such intel on Location and Vulnerability of our checkposts and response times. How can this still be happening in Such modern information age.
Keep your head down and keep repeating "RAW Mossad CIA" and now latest addition to the club "IRGC".
"All is well All is well All is well"
or may be go and kill some stupid loud mouth Journalists, may be that will help. But never ask those who are responsible for security of our people and infrastructure. 😡
 
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If my memory is correct, Iran has already been (officially) warned before. I wonder if consequences will follow soon.

We can maintain good relations with the US if we show a willingness to harm Iran - which we should unless we are absolute cucks.

With our establishment's undying love of the US, I won't be surprised if they decide to punish Iran. However, first the Shia extremists who are more loyal to Iran than to Pakistan will have to be dealt with.
 
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selected geniuses that have been offering constant criticism and wont accept any excuses.

Very nice idea and must be implemented; IMO, believe me, they won't survive a day.
 
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