No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

[X-2.]

Until with TFX or with Chinese 5generation jets pak should acquire mirages from uae or Jordanian f16 with upgrade to balance the air deterrence
I think upgraded f16 will be best option to stabilise the time space until 5 generation

 

[Ultima Thule]

U are right , but tejas is no our main. Fighter will do supporting role ..but jf17 now yr main jet in near future... this will make a use deference.

Neither our J-17 is our main fighter, it compliment with our F-16 which is our main and who told you that our JF-17 is our Main fighter in future

 

[Centurion2016]

X2 quote

Until with TFX or with Chinese 5generation jets pak should acquire mirages from uae or Jordanian f16 with upgrade

So PAF strategy has not changed in 50 years

In the 1980s/90s PAF acquired cheap or free mirages that where being retired globally from Libya Austrllia and others

25 years later PAF will now buy used second F16s from Jordan and other small airforces .

AND OR soldier on with chinease fighters like F7 & THUNDER

" nothing has changed"

Theres only three ways to build an real air force

Like Israel with USA grant aid
Like Arabs via $$$$$$$$ billions
OR like French British and Russians now Chinease with your own top notch aerospace technology & $$ Billions


OTHERWISE YOUR TREDING WATER

 

[nomi007]

jf-17 block3
&
TFX

are better options

 

[Ultima Thule]

My dear friend China have not a single order of jet by any country expect Pakistan...

lots of African countries and you also forget Egyptian K-8 and Bangladesh don't fool yourself my dear friend

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan will have one of the worst airforce in Asia in coming years...

Yeah one with 8 AWACS, multiple ELIENT/EW aircrafts and about 350+ Fourth Gen fighters.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What aircraft. U must understand what am trying to say. Even Mig21s forms brutal force against weaker country with helicopters like Afghanistan.

PAF has always faced IAF with a superior numerical and technical ratio of almost 4:1

And proven its metal.

The strength of a country's airforce depends on its threats perception. Pakistan by far will induct more jf17 with children nəsə loan and just try to keep afloat current f16s or some more decades old f16s from other countries. While India on the verge to upgrade already superior 300 some sukois to Super sukois standards with massive upgrade in stealth and weapons capabilities. Another batch of pure stealth fighter to be inducted and Rafale the best 4th Gen fighter about to be inducted. More over LCA to be inducted I large numbers. These are new deals Yet to be inducted in future. What Pakistan will have will be old f16s and jf17... Simply useless against its enemy. Rest of the Asian countries will keep inducting sukois, TX etc etc etc

Yup 100+ Block 52+s,250+ JF-17 Block III (which are planned to be better or on par uth block 52+) and other aircraft.

while super duper 5th gen su-30s with less than 40% availability and reluctantly (still not in service) LCAs and mig-29s will rip PAF apart.. Aswell as 36 (deal signed yet?) Rafales..

As for stealth or 5th gen .. Still a decade away.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What aircraft. U must understand what am trying to say. Even Mig21s forms brutal force against weaker country with helicopters like Afghanistan.

The strength of a country's airforce depends on its threats perception. Pakistan by far will induct more jf17 with children nəsə loan and just try to keep afloat current f16s or some more decades old f16s from other countries. While India on the verge to upgrade already superior 300 some sukois to Super sukois standards with massive upgrade in stealth and weapons capabilities. Another batch of pure stealth fighter to be inducted and Rafale the best 4th Gen fighter about to be inducted. More over LCA to be inducted I large numbers. These are new deals Yet to be inducted in future. What Pakistan will have will be old f16s and jf17... Simply useless against its enemy. Rest of the Asian countries will keep inducting sukois, TX etc etc etc


8 awacs... Man the way you portray awacs are really nice. Good for for... Induct 8 more awacs and become greatest airforce in the world


Wonder when will u people wake. Up and question your establishment to fave real threats. Rather keep hoping for Chinese or. Americans to help defuse the tension with India. What ever the way you have Ur mentality good for India. 350 massive fire power. Keep it up.

You come off as a pure fanboy .. Which you sadly are..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think getting a fresh plane might be hard , only avenue I see is Used market
(Used Block C/D or may be Mirage 2000).

• J10B should be immediate consideration , because got knows when this "Stealth dream" will come reality.
  
  
• We have not inducted a major platform in Airforce since 1983 that was the only time when we had a cutting edge platform

People who oppose the J10B , they should display concrete work order when they would "purchase" this so called Stealth platform. Becasue the statements of "focus" , "strategize" or vision are not materializing. There is gap between ambition and actual practical delivery

Becasue this whole dealing with Congress and 4-5 years for 2-3 F16 is useless

 

[4GTejasBVR]

I think getting a fresh plane might be hard , only avenue I see is Used market

Sorry u need more capable sukoi 35 or Eurofighter. At least 60-70 of them

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I don't know what metal or mental you talking about. And PAF in the past wars enjoyed superiority against iaf inventory. Read the history books. And no no metal but only mental

I did .. Do you want record of Indian pilots shot down in 65 or 71?

Ironically in 71. Indian "top guns" we're all shot down by PAF... And only 1 sanction SQD of Sabrs shot down dozens of Indian jets.

That's the problem. As of now our sukoi fleet availability is more than 60 percent as report submitted in parliament recently. And India is about to sign 2 billion dollar deal to make spare with Russia to increase the availability. All you hopes are like Sukoi availability is low. In fact Ur hope should be "we must have enough capabilities against what ever fore power India has" pathetically sad that you have this kind of wish

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270 = 40% ==? And now 60%=?

How many will you station in war on the Chinese border ?

Am not talking about LCa as its for internal Defence and for further development of fifth generation program Made in India.

First make LCA in India and actually introduced it in service 5 decades and still a lemon!

But only made man will say 29 and Rafales are joke in front of any kind of 4th Gen fighters. In your case it's f16. After all f16 are made for support role with F15s.

Support of F-15?

Became the most lethal production jet in service with a deadly kill ratio to go with it.

If that made you secure than so be it enjoy. F16 are greatest fighter jets

I disagree. I don't give a damn to someone who made joke about Su30, mig29 against f16...

You make no sense.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Sorry u need more capable sukoi 35 or Eurofighter. At least 60-70 of them

Those kind of Solutions are just too expensive specially the Euro fighter , I mean Saudia bought their 72 Units for 5 Billion dollars. Those kind of figures are astronomical from our side

• I think a logical avenues is just 20-25 Used F16 (Would be great if it is C/D)
  
• May be a retiring fleet of Mirage 2000 (20-25 Unit)

And the J10B fleet just has to be in Pakistan 36-40 Units

Only then we can rightfully retire Mirage fleet from 180 planes to perhaps just reserving 40-50 planes

The thunder fleet will improve marginally in numbers for next 1-2 years. So all is not bad but it would have been nice had we had a depandable J10B platform

The Thunder platform is still evolving

This plane is like PERFECT screems PAF

Not sure who these voices are in PAF that want people to keep flying Mirages

I for one , am tired of this Congress -Shongress business worse purchasing experience

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Those kind of Solutions are just too expensive specially the Euro fighter , I mean Saudia bought their 72 Units for 5 Billion dollars. Those kind of figures are astronomical from our side

So what lol Indians are signing 36 Rafales for 12 billion lol.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I mean look at all these J10B with Chinese Engine

This is the answer right there for Pakistan's Modernization needs J10B

Talk Stealth when there is a "Written offer"

 

[hussain0216]

Yup 100+ Block 52+s,250+ JF-17 Block III (which are planned to be better or on par uth block 52+) and other aircraft.

while super duper 5th gen su-30s with less than 40% availability and reluctantly (still not in service) LCAs and mig-29s will rip PAF apart.. Aswell as 36 (deal signed yet?) Rafales..

As for stealth or 5th gen .. Still a decade away.

Jf17 block 3 when will come prototype?
2020,2019,??
And after flit testings...
Induction 2022 rate of manufacturing 18per year ....when will u gate 250??
Do u really think ,,, india will not gen 5th gen gets till with all option of Pakfa,Fgfa,f35,Amca [/QUOTE]

150 jf 17s with 50 block 3s should be ready by 2020

Your procurement is such a joke that im.not sure you will get 5th gen even by 2040