Hey there speedy, man, did I pi*s you off? It seems like I really did. You wrote a book to my post. I was quoting what the Pentagon had initially said. And like one of your articles point out, they reported inaccurately as it wasn't a SAM. So what's the big deal? You should be a man and be able to handle things manly, like I am. Thank you for posting more sources to correct me. Unlike our Indian and Pakistani friends, I don't have ego to think that I know it all. I can make a mistake too and clearly I did!!
Refer your first post as quoted by me in #207 wherein you have said, I quote:
You should talk to the fine USAF pilots who took out a few Foxbats in Iraq and other places.
Source:
https://defence.pk/threads/foxbat-over-pakistan-the-facts-fiction.441349/page-14#ixzz4Fm5btneZ
And
At 65+ feet, maneuvering gets very difficult due to the gravity and air-density, etc.
Source:
https://defence.pk/threads/foxbat-over-pakistan-the-facts-fiction.441349/page-14#ixzz4Fm5iKkM5
And
At the height of 70k or more, you can't do "maneuvers" and still maintain a 2.5 mach speed. You make one turn and you bleed so much energy that it takes you a couple of minutes to recoup and due to gravity and drag, you become a sitting duck.
Source:
https://defence.pk/threads/foxbat-over-pakistan-the-facts-fiction.441349/page-14#ixzz4Fm5plO93
To which my reply,
The first F-18 downed on the first day was by a Mig-25. Specifically January 17 1991, Lt Commander Michael Scott Speicher Bureau No 163484.
Your logic is confusing for me.
Source:
https://defence.pk/threads/foxbat-over-pakistan-the-facts-fiction.441349/page-14#ixzz4Fm78X1rD
To which the ill-informed and arrogant reply intended to actually try and show
"delusive superiority while stating useless non-sense long debunked as facts"
Since you are a relatively new guy here, I suggest you look at a members stats and date of joining before speeding off posting non-sense and trying to justify the same. You could have responded with a clarification for my confusion, I made an attempt for you to justify your whole post in order to get to understand your perspective, which you didnt attempt. Instead, I got an arrogant reply bereft of facts.
You somehow remind me of your own country professional, a certain S-2 back in 2009-10, a US Army Artillery Veteran who used to post similar non-sense about the superiority of M1 Abrams in everything from armour, to firepower, to what not, without ever delving on the facts of upgradation of M1As just prior to offensive operations with DU keeping in mind the susceptibility of the armour to Soviet FSAPDS which were available for use with Iraqi Republican Guards T-72s Babylon.
When you post biased posts yourself and accuse the other of being biased, it is termed hypocrisy.
Your language demonstrated your arrogance which is continued with your opening line in the above posted quoted statement of yours - your impertinence requires being dealt with in the manner as has been dealt with. There is civility and there is arrogance. You, sir, displayed the latter.
The article I have quoted wherein the officer concerned in the raid along with the said Lt Cdr, is dated 1992. There holds the value of your statement of the bias to suit the narrative.
The 'book' I posted, if you take as an indicator, will give you enough idea about the person you are dealing with, unlike, admittedly few keyboard warriors like yourself around.
Just my opinion.
Now back to the topic, my posts above, outside of this ONE kill, aren't wrong about the Foxbat, -16, -15 or the -18's abilities and capabilities. Nor are the numbers wrong of Migs downed by the platforms I listed.
Nor is my explanation based on pure Physics and common science in terms of scaring off the Mig-25. I missed a piece of news. Doesn't mean that everything else I wrote was also wrong.
You should have some common sense to debate like a normal person. But thank you for fixing my news source. I was clearly looking at the wrong news on that ONE pilot shot by an Iraqi Mig-25
You are tiresome ... still at it. I don't need to 'debate' with you. I need you to post facts and wipe that arrogance off your posts, which is still exhibited by you.
Now let me answer to this post.
Your aircrafts engaged an air force depleted of trained pilots (trained at French Training Institutes by the
French et al
), due to a purge of the best the Iraqi Air Force had by Saddam.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/afri/aspj/airchronicles/apj/apj92/win92/hurley.htm
Then you are factually wrong when you quote the Iraqi acts of using an aircraft clearly designed as a reconnaissance aircraft/stand off interceptor in a dog fight and extrapolate it to the Indian usage of the same and then pontify and give me your physics as a justification to continue defending a useless tirade by you so far.
http://www.456fis.org/MIG-25_WORLDS FASTEST_PRODUCTION_AIRCRAFT.htm
Do try to respond to the remainder of my posts, based on science, flight experience and capability of the platform. If you don't have those, ask an IAF or PAF pilot to join the discussion who've dealt or flown the Mig-25. They won't say anything different than what I've already told you.
I dont need to ask any pilot to join in. Your foundation of discussing Indian Usage of Mig-25RBs is fundamentally flawed.
You talk of high G turns required whereas Indian missions involved a quick ingress and egress, where in Indians were flying at altitudes greater than 60000 ft AGL when they would cross the IB and at considerable speed and needed only approx 8 minutes to ingress and egress with a circuitous route. The pictures of Peshawar were also taken by this aircraft.
Example:
Over Lhasa, Indian Mig-25 would take off from Bagdogra AFB, ingress over Sikkim and loop back to Bareilly. A circuit being made.
Giving you an example.
And for your information, I was enjoying the exploits of Mig-25 at the final decommissioning ceremony in Izzatnagar AFB Bareilly ....
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/aircraft/past/963-mig25.html
Read it, its less hyperbole than what was achieved as most missions are still classified.
@A.P. Richelieu His posts are 'thanks for writing a book'. I wrote him a manuscript now ..
@Joe Shearer we have a new expert online
, they are all short ranged SAMS. actually HQ-2 is basically a Soviet 
