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India's Muslim politics is shifting course amid Hindu majoritarianism

I don't get why Hindus want Muslims to be equally chastised. Muslims are 15% of India's population and no way comparable to Hindus in power. The state, police and judiciary is allied with Hindus. I see this all the time as an excuse thrown for the Gujarat riots, the Delhi riots, the Nellie massacre.
In the interest of fairness of course.. whaddya mean you don't get that some of us are peeved at his very obvious double standard ?

Baat to vo hi hui... "aap karo to chamatkar, hum karein to balatkar"

galt gal, bilkul galt, ekdum galt :nono:

A few nainsaafis notwithstanding, we have a well functioning fair system for the most part here.
 
JS does give the muslims a pass every single time while saving all of his sharp wit and expertise in angrezi to have a go at the Hindutva people, that much is true.

Muslims ? Does he support the Taliban I mentioned earlier ? If he supported the Taliban but didn't support the Hindutva people that would be strange. But does he ?

A few nainsaafis notwithstanding, we have a well functioning fair system for the most part here.

Sensible Umar Khalid in jail, insane Arnab Goswami out of jail, the Hathras girl's brother being charged for her killing. These are but a few things among many that indicate that they system is being destroyed.
 
What do you say about this solution I have presented for Kashmir ?


Muslims of Kashmir are pure Islamists. They indulged in the genocide of Kashmiri Hindus starting from late 1980s and have employed terrorism as their tool to kill non-Muslims and Indian security forces.

They will never subscribe to a philosophy like Baath parties of west asia who are closer to atheist communists.

The closest that Pakistan and Muslims of subcontinent came to baathism is PPP of Pakistan but the Islamist Military of Pakistan has suppressed PPP by hanging ZAB and later killing BB.

So you proposal will never work. It is a fantasy.

The best solution is for India to sell the Kashmir Valley to the US and be done with the problem.
 
India's Muslims are fed up of being used as pawns for elections by secular parties like Congress. They are now gravitating toward Muslim parties, even though it's helping the Hindu right.

Taking a deep breath Professor Afroz Alam, a political scientist, said “it was in the making and it has happened.”

“The fear about the Hindu nationalists is dissipating. Muslims are voting for parties founded and run by the Muslims,” said Professor Alam, the head of political science department of Maulana Azad National Urdu University in Hyderabad.

A series of provincial elections in India indicate rise of few predominantly Muslim parties since 2014 when Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stormed to power.

The key ones are Hyderabad based All India Majlis-e-Ittehad-ul-Muslimeen (AIMIM) and Assam based All India United Democratic Front (AIUDF), a young cleric Abbas Siddiqui in West Bengal – who may join hands with AIMIM in 2021 Bengal provincial poll – and Indian Union of Muslim League (IUML) in Kerala.

However IUML was “always a mainstream political party [since 1950s] owing to Muslims’ access to resources in Kerala,” said Gauridasan Nair, a senior editor of Kerala.

Other than Muslim majority Kashmir, in five other provinces – Assam, West Bengal, Kerala, Uttar Pradesh (UP) and Bihar – Muslim population is between 17 and 35 percent with a countrywide average of about 15 percent, making the Muslims an election influencer in pockets.

The demolition of historic Babri Mosque by Hindu nationalists in 1992 shaped the political discourse of India to an extent that secular parties became reluctant to embrace the country's Muslim minorities.'s Muslim minorities.


The demolition of historic Babri Mosque by Hindu nationalists in 1992 shaped the political discourse of India to an extent that secular parties became reluctant to embrace the country's Muslim minorities. (AP)
The rise of Muslim parties

The 200 million strong Indian Muslims – highest outside the Muslim majority countries – have largely voted for Indian National Congress or other secularist and centrist-nationalist parties to block the Hindu nationalists, led by the BJP.

The BJP’s victory in the 2014 election changed that equation.

The number of Muslim members in Indian Parliament dropped to 23 (4 percent), lowest since 1962, and the ruling party had no Muslim member in the Parliament. In 2019 too the BJP had no Muslim representative.

“But yet the BJP continued to win, reducing relevance of Muslim votes as the society got deeply polarized. Secular parties also replaced Muslim candidates,” Prof Alam said.


It led to a rise of Muslim parties.

The AIUDF in Assam, a state with nearly 35 percent Muslim votes, made a significant difference in 2016 elections as it emerged as the key party for the Bengali Muslims. It cut Congress Party's vote share to ensure the BJP’s victory.

“Congress consistently undermined the AIUDF, pushing it to contest independently which resulted in BJP’s victory,” said an AIUDF insider. The blow was severe enough for Congress to negotiate with AIUDF in 2020.

AIMIM, a party founded in 1927, bagged five seats recently in Bihar and steadily grew in Maharashtra. Despite having a fractured alliance with another party, AIMIM cut the votes of secular-nationalists in the 2019 Maharashtra election, facilitating victory of Hindu right in about a dozen seats.

Buoyed by his success, the chief of AIMIM, a Lincoln’s Inn-bred barrister Asaduddin Owaishi recently said that he “will fight in West Bengal, UP and every election in the country.”

Such plans unnerved Congress or other regional parties as traditionally Muslim parties eat into the votes of the secular parties benefitting the Hindu right.

Thus, AIMIM is attacked as a “B or C team” of the BJP or as a party “receiving financial benefits from the Hindu nationalists”, an allegation the party has denied.

Rot in Indian secular polity

But – perhaps for the first time – Muslims do not care as Professor Alam pointed out; the reason is believed to be the failure of the secularists.

Abu Zafar, a Delhi-based journalist, cited an example to illustrate why Muslims are making a beeline for Muslim parties.

“In 2013, I went to Muzaffarnagar (in UP) where a massive riot took place, killing scores. I met women who were gang raped but their cases were not registered on time by the police. We need to note that the BJP was not in power in UP or nationally in 2013,” said Zafar.

The recent plight of the community started in the aftermath of 9/11 when thousands of Muslims boys were rounded up following a series of blasts in Indian cities. Nearly all the accused were freed for lack of evidence but only after spending a decade in jail.


The tradition to arrest Muslims is continuing.

“Now the secular parties are in the opposition, yet they refuse to defend those who protested against India’s controversial Citizenship Law (CAA) and went to jail.

“Other than tweeting occasionally, the secular leaders never tried to mount a movement,” said Masihuddin Sanjari, a political and human rights activist in Azamgarh, a district in Uttar Pradesh state.

Over the last decades, with a massive economic growth, Indian society was seeking “an opportunity to flex its cultural muscles,” said an US-based Hindu doctor, on condition of anonymity.

“Hindus were economically powerful but lacking a cultural or religio-political icon and identity.

“Narendra Modi filled the vacuum – he is the Prophet and the Pope of the Hindus rolled in one,” the doctor said.

With the rise of the BJP, Indian secular opposition turned overly religious, refusing to speak up even if Muslims are lynched for transporting cows, considered sacred in India, or if the status of Kashmir is changed unilaterally.

Rather, secularists tried to establish Hindu lineage. Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, who had a Parsi grandfather, displayed his sacred thread usually worn by Hindu upper caste.

Kamal Nath – the Hindu-face of Congress – has even claimed that Rajiv Gandhi, the late Prime Minister from Congress, “wanted” the Ram temple to be built over a disputed site in Uttar Pradesh, where a historic Babri mosque stood before it was demolished by Hindu nationalists in 1992. Delhi Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal, an engineer, who got sizeable Muslim votes earlier, adopted Hindu rituals to “receive blessings from visible and invisible forces.”

Such narratives accentuated a sense of insecurity.

“These days when affluent (Muslim) families get together, they often discuss how to send their children abroad to study, such is the panic,” said Md Aqib Khan, a student of English Literature in Kolkata’s Jadavpur University.

“The bigger concern is that they (parents) too may have to uproot themselves and go somewhere else,” said Khan.

Young Muslims are often advised to “hide their identity”, said Zoya (name changed), a Delhi-based producer.

Hindu revivalism laid bare the deep “clash of two civilizations based on different and in many ways antagonistic systems of living,” noted eminent Indian historian Mohammad Mujeeb in his seminal ‘The Indian Muslims.’


AIUDF, AIMIM to Abbas Siddiqui are products of the clash “without a pan-Indian ambition but with robust regional aspiration,” said Professor Alam.

For now, the Muslim parties have claimed to ensure representation of all communities, including the Hindus.

All to the BJP’s advantage

Rise of the Muslim parties, however, usually help the Hindu right.

Professor Alam quipped: “After all there cannot be a Hindu Mahasabha without a Muslim League.” Hindu Mahasabha, the party to safeguard rights of Hindus, was formed in 1915, a decade after All India Muslim League was founded in Dhaka in 1906.

Mr Sanjari has another interpretation for rise of the Muslim parties.

“The threat of Islamic terror is not working anymore. Ram Temple to Article 370 – nearly all issues resolved. Now the ‘othering’ of Muslim is introduced through all-Muslim parties, a reason why such parties are receiving outstanding coverage in Indian media,” said Mr Sanjari.

In Bengal, the debate on whether Muslims should have their own party or align with secular outfits is escalating before the 2021 election.

Syed Zameerul Hasan, convener of AIMIM in Bengal, said “it is not just the responsibility of the Muslims to ensure secularism when the Hindu leaders of the so called secular origin continue to join the BJP.”

For Maidul Islam, a political scientist with Centre for Studies in Social Sciences in Kolkata it is “risky” for the Muslims “to weaken the secular forces as it is finally a Hindu majority state which will not reverse.”

“The BJP may trouble Muslims more, if it emerges as an opposition party,” he said.

Sanjari believes secular parties “will re-invent secularism after a few more defeats and start talking to the minorities” reversing the growth of the Muslim parties.

But if India’s social fabric is permanently damaged then AIMIM, Abbas Siddiqui or AIUDF will emerge as the “third force”, considered critical in Indian politics.

The success or failure of the Muslim parties would indicate about the direction of the wind in Indian politics.

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If Muslim parties take over Kashmir and assam where muslims have a big minority in Assam along with UP and Kerala, thats gonna be a big game changer for muslims in India, if muslim states in south asia like afghanistan, pakstan and bangladesh squeeze hindutvas, that will also change the course of hindutva influence in south asia. If some sort of ''muslim alliance'' forms in SA between indian muslims and muslim majority states (for instance muslim brotherhood type party in the region jamaat e islami for instance), that can be a game changer as well.

regards

Wow.... That's a line I read after a long time. BTW geography remains same, lines on geography changes..

Well, it's Hindu.
The problem is Hindu leadership. They are jahils of superlative degrees, and I am often shaked by the fact that these jahils are leading a well educated nation.
That's a pity.
very soon indian muslims will return to their real home ,
they have hindu DNA , their ancestors were hindus , how they can forget ? blood is thicker than religion.
 
Muslims ? Does he support the Taliban I mentioned earlier ? If he supported the Taliban but didn't support the Hindutva people that would be strange. But does he ?
within India, all muslim indiscretions are given a pass by him, even the egregious ones.

Sensible Umar Khalid in jail, insane Arnab Goswami out of jail, the Hathras girl's brother being charged for her killing. These are but a few things among many that indicate that they system is being destroyed.
yet Rana Ayyub and Shehla Rashid and countleess other who seemingly have no other work than to abuse the BJP and it's supporters online 24/7 are still at it.

hum itney fascist hain to in logon ko khulli chhot kyon ?
 
JS does give the muslims a pass every single time while saving all of his sharp wit and expertise in angrezi to have a go at the Hindutva people, that much is true.

If @Joe Shearer criticizes Muslims and Islam like he does Hindus & Hinduism, he would have been beheaded a long time ago.

No one including @Joe Shearer wants to die.

So @Joe Shearer 's punching bag would always be Hindus & Hinduism
 
very soon indian muslims will return to their real home ,
they have hindu DNA , their ancestors were hindus , how they can forget ? blood is thicker than religion.

Hindu Dna? ancestors were hindus?

lmao

where do you learn all that stuff? hindutva tranining centres or hindutva run social media accounts?

regards
 
Wow.... That's a line I read after a long time. BTW geography remains same, lines on geography changes..

Well, it's Hindu.
The problem is Hindu leadership. They are jahils of superlative degrees, and I am often shaked by the fact that these jahils are leading a well educated nation.
That's a pity.

any country made on basis of religion,
any party led by religious clergy
any party made on basis of religion
is always recipe for disaster.
people supporting such institutions are jahil .
Batch mate?

I always thought that, because Kalyan Chatterjee and I used to encounter him in the Damayanti Shield and Loreto Shield Debates (both run by Calcutta's Loreto College). But then, we were straddling college under-graduate courses and post-graduate work (KC was a year my junior, and we were a team for seven years, including the years at school); Shashi MAY have been a fresh undergrad then. I just googled him, and he was born March '56; I was born August '50.

As for his English, we are looking at a completely different milieu. In our time, these were not unacceptable usages; I was a little taken aback at the amusement that met his 'farrago of nonsense', a fairly standard term. Times change; perhaps people want to hear speakers like The Donald, and anything more complicated is no longer relevant.

Me, I'm comfortable with what he is reported to be saying; it is quite possible that others are getting fed up of reaching for the dictionary when they read him. Tough.

PS: Afroz Alam was a personal friend (we have lost touch). I saw him enter my university to set up a law faculty, and became a great fan of his legal and administrative capability. Apparently he felt similarly about me.


I thought about this a little more after putting down my first impressions.

Shashi is not too greatly admired, but that is for several reasons more complex than is apparent.
  1. Most of his communication is in English. He is voiceless, as far as the fringe elements of the religious right are concerned;
  2. He represents the Congress, that is going through a slow, but inexorable decline. He has less clout than he might have had;
  3. He represents a constituency in Kerala. People from Kerala have not contributed a national leader after A. K. Antony.
  4. He is too nicey-nicey with the BJP. That makes him suspect in the eyes of many.

how are you sir ?
hope you are doing well .
Hindu Dna? ancestors were hindus?

lmao

where do you learn all that stuff? hindutva tranining centres or hindutva run social media accounts?

regards

yes indian muslims have hindu ancestry so they have hindu DNA.
Muslims of Kashmir are pure Islamists. They indulged in the genocide of Kashmiri Hindus starting from late 1980s and have employed terrorism as their tool to kill non-Muslims and Indian security forces.

They will never subscribe to a philosophy like Baath parties of west asia who are closer to atheist communists.

The closest that Pakistan and Muslims of subcontinent came to baathism is PPP of Pakistan but the Islamist Military of Pakistan has suppressed PPP by hanging ZAB and later killing BB.

So you proposal will never work. It is a fantasy.

The best solution is for India to sell the Kashmir Valley to the US and be done with the problem.

why should we sell kashmir to US ?
we have found and implemented very good solution for Kashmir. very soon it will come in mainstream of indian states .
Get over it they dumped Hinduism and chose a superior path in Islam

we know how powerless hindus were persecuted and forced in muslim rule to change their religion .
 
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@Joe Shearer you're a gem. To me, you represent the disappearing subcontinental Mccaulayite creed of yore that I so admire- a few professors in college and my dad's bridge group buddies who all seem to have migrated abroad after retirement.

I thought Shashi Tharoor was upper-caste Punjabi Khatri. Very Karan Thapar Lutyens-esque. I'm surprised to know he's Malayali.

Shashi Tharoor is elite .His father Chandran Tharoor was also IFS officer.
He is a Hindu by religion.
If you are asking for caste then his caste is Nair .A community in Kerala
 
we have found and implemented very good solution for Kashmir. very soon it will come in mainstream of indian states .

What do you mean ?

any country made on basis of religion,
any party led by religious clergy
any party made on basis of religion
is always recipe for disaster.
people supporting such institutions are jahil .

Funny you say that being in current India which is being run by BJP.
 
Shashi Tharoor is elite .His father Chandran Tharoor was also IFS officer.
He is a Hindu by religion.
If you are asking for caste then his caste is Nair .A community in Kerala
nairs are Kshatriya .
What do you mean ?

Kashmir is now at par with all indian states , now citizens from all over india can settle in Kashmir , can get service in Kashmir , can do business in kashmir , can make a house in Kashmir.
Funny you say that being in current India which is being run by BJP.

secular parties failed because they were busy in muslim appeasement , they ignored hindus ,
Congress failed and gave chance to BJP let us see how much damage is done by BJP .
 
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I have said on other threads that India doesn't require a Muslim party. India needs progressive leaders who happen to be Muslim. And neither Owaisi is progressive nor is this new party AIUDF nor the IUML nor another called SDPI.

Indian Muslims need to support young but old-styled left-wing progressive intellectuals and activists among them like Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid.

Years ago I was a student in a computer institute and one of my colleagues was named Jamal Abdul Nasser named after the great Egyptian leader. That is the path for the Indian Muslims to follow. And not name their son after say Syed Qutb or the Indian Tablighi Jamaat chief Maulana Saad.

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I have said on other threads that India doesn't require a Muslim party. India needs progressive leaders who happen to be Muslim. And neither Owaisi is progressive nor is this new party AIUDF nor the IUML nor another called SDPI.

Indian Muslims need to support young but old-styled left-wing progressive intellectuals and activists among them like Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid.

Years ago I was a student in a computer institute and one of my colleagues was named Jamal Abdul Nasser named after the great Egyptian leader. That is the path for the Indian Muslims to follow. And not name their son after say Syed Qutb or the Indian Tablighi Jamaat chief Maulana Saad.



Hindutvadi, not Hindu. :) But yes you are correct there. I quote Shashi Tharoor who is a leader of the Congress party :
Can a Muslim be a leftist?
 
Shashi Tharoor is elite .His father Chandran Tharoor was also IFS officer.
He is a Hindu by religion.
If you are asking for caste then his caste is Nair .A community in Kerala

Shashi Tharoor mother was a christian.
Can a Muslim be a leftist?

Why not ? Hypocrisy is the norm, not the exception.

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