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IT IS the most expensive - and talked about - property development in Pakistan, but few can get near it. Hidden behind barbed wire, the new state-of-the-art army headquarter to replace a garrison in Rawalpindi is costing a reputed £1 billion and will cover 2,400 acres of prime land in Islamabad, including lakes, a residential complex, schools and clinics.

Originally intended to represent the best of Pakistan, the new army HQ is now being seen as a symbol of all that is wrong with the country.

Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.

From the wailing rice-pickers at Bhutto’s grave in the dusty village of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in the southern province of Sindh to the western-educated elite sipping whisky and soda in the drawing rooms of Lahore, the message is the same: General Pervez Musharraf, the president, must go and the army must return to its barracks.

Feelings are running so high that officers have been advised not to venture into the bazaar in uniform for fear of reprisals.

“The interests of the people of Pakistan are now totally at odds with those of the army,” said Asma Jahangir, the head of Pakistan’s Human Rights Commission, who was one of hundreds of lawyers placed under house arrest in November.

“If a civilian president had done what Musharraf has done, he would have been dragged by his hair to the sea.”

It is not just civilians who argue that, if the country is to stay together, power must go back into the hands of the politicians, however corrupt or inept.

Asad Durrani, a retired general, headed the notorious Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) bureau during the 1990 elections when, he admits, it spent millions of dollars to prevent Bhutto being voted back into power. Now he believes the army should step back.

“If you’re in charge for such a long time, you can’t blame anyone else for the state of the country,” he said. “You have to take responsibility for the situation.”

“We’re all trying to get across the message [to Musharraf] that ‘you are the problem’,” said another retired general. “I’m hearing the same from serving generals.”

When army chiefs have seized power they have generally been welcomed. The news of Musharraf’s takeover in 1999 was greeted with people handing out sweets. But none of Pakistan’s military rulers have stepped down voluntarily and Musharraf, it seems, is no different, picking an unpopular fight with the country’s judiciary when they tried to take him on.

Elections scheduled for last week were delayed after Bhutto’s assassination. The new date is February 18, but there is scepticism about whether they will go ahead. A suicide bomb that killed 22 in Lahore last week was seen as another step in creating a climate of insecurity that makes voting impossible.

Even if they do go ahead, the elections are widely expected to be rigged in favour of Musharraf’s allies. Last Wednesday the head of the European Union observer mission visited the president with a list of 10 concerns about a lack of transparency.

Bhutto’s death has left her one-time rival Nawaz Sharif, leader of the Pakistan Muslim League, as the main opposition figure. Although he emerged on the political scene in the 1980s under the patronage of Pakistan’s last military ruler, General Zia ul-Haq, he now insists the army must stop interfering in politics. “The only way to move forward is for people to defy the army and to realise that these generals who keep staging coups are our real enemies,” he told The Sunday Times in an interview at his heavily guarded farmhouse outside Lahore.

“It is not the job of generals to hold the prime minister, cabinet or parliament accountable,” he added. “They are accountable to the people. The army has to go back to barracks or we’ll never have a functioning state.”

Resentment against the men in khaki is particularly acute in Bhutto’s home province of Sindh. To Sindhis, she was killed not because of her stand for democracy and against terrorism but because of where she came from. After her death many Sindhis went on the rampage, burning lorries, trains and banks.

They have been reined in by Bhutto’s husband, Asif Zardari, who has taken over running her Pakistan People’s party. But he warns: “If elections are rigged or don’t go ahead, this may be impossible to contain.”

Those close to Musharraf say he still believes he is the only person able to sort out Pakistan, even though under his rule suicide bombs have become an almost daily occurrence.

“The problem is that 9/11 went to his head,” said Durrani. “After that I found him a changed man. He went from being a pariah to applause, saviour of Pakistan and the West.”

Washington and London are clinging to Musharraf for want of other options and the belief that he represents the best hope of preventing Pakistan’s 50 or so nuclear warheads falling into militant hands. The West had hoped that Bhutto would be brought in as prime minister to provide his regime with a democratic face, but are now working on co-opting Sharif or Zardari.

Sharif, who has received three calls from David Miliband, the foreign secretary, since Bhutto’s assassination, was the prime minister ousted by Musharraf in 1999. He insists that working with Musharraf is not an option.

Were free elections to go ahead and the opposition parties to achieve a two-thirds majority, they would be in a position to impeach the president. But few believe that, with Musharraf’s hand-picked caretaker government overseeing the elections, this is a realistic possibility.

The only way he might go is if the army were to decide he had outlived his purpose.

More than 700 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the fight in the tribal areas against militants said to be linked to Al-Qaeda, and officers admit that morale has not been so low since they lost Bangladesh in 1971.

“We’re being asked to bomb our own people and shrug it off as collateral damage,” said a Mirage pilot. “I call it killing women and children.”

Hope rests on General Ashfaq Kayani, who took command of the army in late November when Musharraf succumbed to pressure to take off his uniform and become a civilian president.

Little is known about Kayani apart from his love of golf and his professionalism as a soldier. He is said to be unhappy about the army’s involvement in politics and might pull back if elections proceed smoothly.

“Nobody is anyone’s man once he becomes commander-in-chief with 700,000 soldiers under his command,” says Imran Khan, the former cricketer turned politician.

Angry Pakistanis turn against army - Times Online
 
This is a complex issue and the timing is unfortunate.

Pakistan is in a flux and so everyone wants to take advantage to promote one's agenda.

There is good reasons to be annoyed at the advantages the military appears to enjoy and have enjoyed throughout history and the civilians feel has to be extended to them.

This undercurrent has been there, but now giving the unsettled law and order environment and the political uncertainties, everyone wants to fish in troubled waters.

All should be on guard.
 
the article clearly has a anti-army bent. some things have been taken out of context. i am wondering how this writer has gained access to mirage pilots who are / may be involved in the military operations in the FATA. i can understand the view of retired generals - once out of uniform their thinking changes. the new GHQ construction has been going on for a few years now and it is the need of the hour as the old GHQ in R/pindi is completely surrounded by civilian residential areas posing a security risk.
in summary there is nothing new in this article.
 
Its Christina Lamb fellows ........

She can only do the job which is required the most from her type of journalists at the scene of War and conflicts .......

Propaganda......... 24/7

Read one of her books on democracy in Pakistan .... You will know what she is.
 
Its Christina Lamb fellows ........

She can only do the job which is required the most from her type of journalists at the scene of War and conflicts .......

Propaganda......... 24/7

Read one of her books on democracy in Pakistan .... You will know what she is.


Waiting for allah is a super book that looks at pakistan after BB return.
When Christina Lamb is lamblasting BB for her feudal mentality and critizing her govt for being corrupt did you agree with her then?
 
Waiting for allah is a super book that looks at pakistan after BB return.
When Christina Lamb is lamblasting BB for her feudal mentality and critizing her govt for being corrupt did you agree with her then?

Its not that she is wrong in criticising BB or Musharaf but it is normally the time at which she makes these staements appear which show her alligence to the west and the US agencies.

Have you read the book! .... If yes then you will know that this women has been criticizing the Army from early days since she sees that Army is the main Power Source in Pakistan and People vest their believes in Army for a change when there remains no hope in Democracy.... All in all she is a elite member of Democracy rule should be in pakistan club since manupilation of objectives is easier with democracy. This article at this time only wants to create hatered between Army and People and in the longer run is an attempt to oust army from leading role since Army always considers its image within the people.... But i think this time the US and the West are wrong as always and they will not succeed.
 
Its not that she is wrong in criticising BB or Musharaf but it is normally the time at which she makes these staements appear which show her alligence to the west and the US agencies.

Have you read the book! .... If yes then you will know that this women has been criticizing the Army from early days since she sees that Army is the main Power Source in Pakistan and People vest their believes in Army for a change when there remains no hope in Democracy.... All in all she is a elite member of Democracy rule should be in pakistan club since manupilation of objectives is easier with democracy. This article at this time only wants to create hatered between Army and People and in the longer run is an attempt to oust army from leading role since Army always considers its image within the people.... But i think this time the US and the West are wrong as always and they will not succeed.

I have read her book....
She was right about zia was she not?
I have always believed that the army should defend the country but not try to run it.......i would not get a car mechanic to carry out heart surgery.
The image of the army is going downhill day by day under mushy and it needs to be reversed.
Can a officer walk around sindh,baluchistan,fata and other parts of pakistan with the security he enjoyed before mushy came in.....i doubt it.
I want the people to hold power not the army.
 
I have read her book....
She was right about zia was she not?
I have always believed that the army should defend the country but not try to run it.......i would not get a car mechanic to carry out heart surgery.
The image of the army is going downhill day by day under mushy and it needs to be reversed.
Can a officer walk around sindh,baluchistan,fata and other parts of pakistan with the security he enjoyed before mushy came in.....i doubt it.
I want the people to hold power not the army.

If you are a paksitani then i must say that you represent only small bunch of Democratic Hypocrats. Your analysis is wrong that Army is disliked by the people.. If you are siting in some city in Pakistan... Donot just sit around, go door to door to ask how many want Army to steer the nation and how many want Nawaz, BB and others .... I bet only illitrate people will say they want democracy or the people who enjoy corruption in their rule.

As for the security, its common sense, if security forces are not safe then who is?
This is how you create Inarcy in a country which the western agencies are trying to achieve from january 2007.

People hold power by holding their trust in the Army.... Only army can steer the nation no other and by God if this institution failed in doing so ... Then we may not have a homeland in coming future ...
 
If you are a paksitani then i must say that you represent only small bunch of Democratic Hypocrats. Your analysis is wrong that Army is disliked by the people.. If you are siting in some city in Pakistan... Donot just sit around and go door to door to ask how many want Army to steer the nation and how many want Nawaz, BB and others .... I bet only illitrate people will say they want democracy or the people who enjoy corruption in their rule.

People hold power by holding their trust in the Army.... Only army can steer the nation no other and by God if this institution failed in doing so ... Then we may not have a homeland in coming future ...

Trust me, he's not in pakistan, and hasnt got a clue how most people in Pakistan think like. It just suits a foreign agenda he's trying to push.
 
hmmmmmmmmm these people make fuss and than when the same fuss hit their @$$$
they come up with analytical books so what so strange about Hypo-c-rats
 
Trust me, he's not in pakistan, and hasnt got a clue how most people in Pakistan think like. It just suits a foreign agenda he's trying to push.


Am i supposed to be hurt by that?
It is people like you that have backed the military dictatorships that have bought pakistan to where it is now.
 
Am i supposed to be hurt by that?
It is people like you that have backed the military dictatorships that have bought pakistan to where it is now.


Why dont you come back to Pakistan and fight for Democrapy instead of sitting there and airing rehtoric
 
If you are a paksitani then i must say that you represent only small bunch of Democratic Hypocrats. Your analysis is wrong that Army is disliked by the people.. If you are siting in some city in Pakistan... Donot just sit around, go door to door to ask how many want Army to steer the nation and how many want Nawaz, BB and others ....

If you live in pakistan full time ,then you have a better idea about what the people think and want then i do.
But if like me your a part time pakistani then i am going to go off what i read in the media and first/second hand reports from pakistanis.
I believe that a country that choose its ruler through the consent of the people will do better in justice and equality over the long run then a ruler that takes power by force.


... I bet only illitrate people will say they want democracy or the people who enjoy corruption in their rule....

This is where i think you are wrong...the illitrate and the elite support the military not democratic groups

.As for the security, its common sense, if security forces are not safe then who is?
This is how you create Inarcy in a country which the western agencies are trying to achieve from january 2007.

The security problems in pakistan are a direct result of mushys actions.


.People hold power by holding their trust in the Army.... Only army can steer the nation no other and by God if this institution failed in doing so ... Then we may not have a homeland in coming future ...

The army lost us half the country,eats up the resources and you thnk they will save us?
 
Ironical ....

People having sense can speak so much nonsense!

Army lost East Pakistan because of BS politics and not because of lack of passion to defend it. Plus go read the history of bengal and then get involved in this debate of east pakistan.

Security problems are a result non compliance to US demands for the tribal and taliban issues. This situation is under control and not beyond the iron fist. Some people in the tribal area are being manupilated by the CIA for their designs and soon they will be buried in tribal areas.

Pakistan is a state of 160 Million people....

If you think that this wheat issue and light issues and sucide bombings can cause a civil war in the country or create a situation of Inarcy then my friend i only have one sentence for you and the people like you!

Talk to the hand! :enjoy:
 
Am i supposed to be hurt by that?

Sounds like you are. Truth does hurt I guess

It is people like you that have backed the military dictatorships that have bought pakistan to where it is now.

I haven't backed military dictatorships for being dictatorships. Just good military dictatorships. I'm a firm supporter of anything good, however they are cloaked. I back good Pakistanis, not bad. Anything good should be backed, whatever the sweet wrapper.
 
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