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The debt we owe the army and PAF
Ayaz Amir
Tuesday, November 18, 2014

Islamabad diary

Amidst fierce fighting three more of our soldiers died on Sunday in a remote spot close to the Afghan border in North Waziristan. This was another reminder, if any were needed, of the grimness of the conflict raging there and of the sacrifices of our troops since the start of the present military operation in June this year.

It is only because our troops are there, keeping the heat on the Taliban and other militant outfits – Hafiz Gul Bahadur’s group having claimed responsibility for the latest assault – that terrorist incidents have gone down markedly in the rest of the country. Since June we can count the major incidents on our fingers, a far cry from the virtually free run militant outfits had prior to the operation. The nation’s leading flavour then was appeasement and a mood not far removed from defeatism. That climate of confusion, generated mostly by the political class and the political leadership, at least stands dissipated.

We have no shortage of other problems – loadshedding, inflation, government incompetence, etc, but one thing is unmistakable: on the security front the national mood is more relaxed only because the army, with critical help from the air force, is engaged on the western marches. We can write our op-eds, hold forth in TV talk-shows, read about fashion shows and watch Hoorum Sultan and other soaps on television, travel on the Motorway and take in the sights of Lahore and other cities, and when the fancy takes us perform as armchair Samurai, only because of this operation.

When the army had not yet made up its mind and the political leadership was not giving it a lead, the advantage lay with the militant forces which had declared war on Pakistan. Unmolested in their Fata rear bases they had the freedom to strike at targets across the country. That ability has not been eliminated but it has been curbed…which is why the threat of terrorism has receded. Who knows this may change tomorrow. Something dramatic can happen all of a sudden. But as of now this threat is not so much on our minds as it used to be. For this we have to salute our men, and the sprinkling of women, in the armed forces.

Our tribal areas had become Iraq and Syria much before the current turmoil in those countries. We were here first; they have arrived at this position later. Our Taliban were no less fearsome or an object of terror than Daish or the Islamic State. Daish has earned notoriety now for beheading opponents. Our Taliban were experts in this art much before. The world’s leading university of suicide bombers was to be found in our tribal areas.

But if Pakistan hasn’t become Iraq and Syria, if the country is holding together, if the forces of militancy are on the defensive, if cracks have appeared in their ranks, if Mullah Fazlullah is no longer the undisputed leader of the Taliban, if various militant leaders (like Fazlullah himself and Mangal Bagh) have increasingly to look for safe havens across the Afghan border, it is not because of the sun, the moon or the stars. It is because of one factor alone: the Pakistan military. Take away the military from this equation and Pakistan at once verges on the brink of becoming another Iraq and Syria.

Afghanistan once upon a time was a peaceful country, an oasis of calm and a haven of stability. War and internecine conflict have destroyed that country. Iraq and Syria were stable countries, as close to being secular as it is possible for any Muslim country to be. The rulers of these countries ruled with an iron hand, not tolerating the slightest dissent. But to a large extent the material needs of the people were addressed and minorities felt safe. American-led wars and American-inspired turmoil have dislocated those countries, leading to the kind of suffering that it is difficult for us Pakistanis to imagine. American and Nato-inspired actions have brought ruin to Libya. The west is very concerned about Russian intervention in Ukraine. It seems to forget western intervention in the Middle East.

The original impetus for sustaining a strong military was India. Memories of Partition, especially the bloodletting in Punjab, and the unresolved conflict with India over Kashmir, conspired to make ‘national security’ the defining characteristic of our state. Pakistan has come a long way from that earlier frame of mind. Other challenges loom large on the horizon. When a daily bus service operated between Peshawar and Kabul, the ticket just 30 rupees, who could have imagined that a time would come when Afghanistan would be laid waste and the Pakistan Army would be engaged in a protracted conflict not in the east but the west, that too against indigenous militias?

The army under different leaderships committed its share of mistakes. If only we had not plunged into the morass of the first Afghan ‘jihad’ we might have saved ourselves many complications. But the past is the past and those who, for better or worse, took those decisions are no longer on the scene. The army under the pressure of circumstances, under the burden of the new challenges it faces, has had to reorient itself, in the process redefining its mission. That it has been able to show strategic flexibility – turning its attention to the west without losing sight of the continuing challenge from the east – is a sign both of its resilience and of a new-found maturity of outlook.

A lesser military would have cracked under the strain. The army – with the air force close behind – has risen to the challenge. When so much of Pakistan, so many of its institutions do not work, or don’t work the way they should, when in our bad moments we decry the condition of this and that, it is some consolation to realise that at least some department of national life is performing well. (Although I can’t help adding that if the military could be weaned away from its fascination with real estate it would be all to the good.)

So there is something to think over. If the armed forces are doing their duty by us, don’t we have a duty towards them? Shouldn’t the rest of us be under an obligation to reduce the sum of national confusion and fix the things that can be fixed, without creating unnecessary problems? Shouldn’t our development priorities be different? Can’t leaders give a slightly better account of themselves?

Competence is not something to be plucked from the trees and corruption is not to be eliminated by sermons. But can’t a sincere effort be made to improve law and order, see that courts work better and deliver better justice? What prevents local elections from being held? Why must we keep making a tamasha of the blasphemy law? Why must poor Christian families be persecuted in the name of the faith? Which eye of the cobra prevents us from banning the plastic shopper?

A feature of the new army is that it doesn’t go about huffing and puffing its chest all the time. Even as it holds the line and prevents Pakistan from becoming Iraq and Syria, it remains a modest army – which is as it should be. And, mercifully, we no longer hear the refrain from the army’s lips that Pakistan is a Fortress of Islam. But if the army can change itself, why must the rest of our institutions remain stuck in their old grooves? Will change never come to politics, to the judiciary, to the way we conduct our administrative affairs?

The imbalance we currently see between military and political/civil performance is not to be corrected by oratory alone, or by solemn dissertations on the constitution. The army sets the terms of national discourse not only because it has the tanks and the divisions but because the political class and the Brahmins are not up to the mark. Then they whine about military dominance.

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the army also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws
> bangladesh
> baluchistan situation
> jihadi element of our society
> sectarianism
> mqm
> Kalashnikov culture
> religious intolerance
> triabl area's unrest
> casuing democracy not to flourish
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan'
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army
> kargil deaths
> siachien

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation
 
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the army also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws
> bangladesh
> baluchistan situation
> jihadi element of our society
> sectarianism
> mqm
> Kalashnikov culture
> religious intolerance
> triabl area's unrest
> casuing democracy not to flourish
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan'
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army
> kargil deaths
> siachien

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation

When the military comes in---it is due to the failures of the civilians----.
 
the army also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws
> bangladesh
> baluchistan situation
> jihadi element of our society
> sectarianism
> mqm
> Kalashnikov culture
> religious intolerance
> triabl area's unrest
> casuing democracy not to flourish
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan'
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army
> kargil deaths
> siachien

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation
Some of your points are valid, some are not.

Sectarianism and religious intolerance is as much, if not more, the fault of parts of our political leadership. The PMLN, as recently as the 2013 elections, was looking to build political alliances with the Sunni sectarian/terrorist group ASWJ/LeJ. It was Zulfi Bhutto who legalized second class status and hatred for the Ahmadi community by pandering to the religious extremists. And Zulfi also played a role in reducing the space for compromise with Mujib in East Pakistan after he had won the elections.

On the issue of border controls and smuggling (of all kinds, not just of weapons), the civilian government has just as much responsibility (at least on our Western borders) since border protection is typically in the hands of border guards that fall under the interior ministry and civilian law enforcement.

There is more, but you get the picture - the civilian governments/politicians in Pakistan have played their own significant role in creating, promoting and exacerbating many of the issues you point out.
 
A feature of the new army is that it doesn’t go about huffing and puffing its chest all the time. Even as it holds the line and prevents Pakistan from becoming Iraq and Syria, it remains a modest army – which is as it should be. And, mercifully, we no longer hear the refrain from the army’s lips that Pakistan is a Fortress of Islam. But if the army can change itself, why must the rest of our institutions remain stuck in their old grooves? Will change never come to politics, to the judiciary, to the way we conduct our administrative affairs?

What "new" Army is this? This is the same old Army trying to put on new makeup. What admiration does it deserve for half-heartedly trying to solve the problems that it created in the first place?
 
What "new" Army is this? This is the same old Army trying to put on new makeup.
Why do you say that?
What admiration does it deserve for half-heartedly trying to solve the problems that it created in the first place?
What (and why) do you see as a "half-hearted attempt to solve problems it created in the first place"?
 
the army also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for
> 4 martial laws
> bangladesh
> baluchistan situation
> jihadi element of our society
> sectarianism
> mqm
> Kalashnikov culture
> religious intolerance
> triabl area's unrest
> casuing democracy not to flourish
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan'
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army
> kargil deaths
> siachien
> so on so forth
PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation

Lol, let me fix that for you:

the politicians also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws <-- All done under extreme unrests
> Bangladesh <-- Messiah Bhutto claimed any politician who attends the parliament meeting in Dhaka will be traitor.
> Baluchistan situation <-- Messiah Bhuto
> Jihadi element of our society <-- sure, ISI worked with CIA, but what did the Shaheedah Bhutto,
> Sectarianism <--- corrupt judges, police
> mqm <---PPP/PMLN/etc/etc/etc all the same
> Kalashnikov culture <--
> religious intolerance <-- lack of spending on education
> tribal area's unrest <-- lack of state law enforcement
> causing democracy not to flourish <-- democracy only flourishes if the people want it to, people only want it to if the democracy gives them something
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan <-- who doesnt have the ball$ to finish them?
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army <-- and politicians want to cozy up to those 'enemies'
> kargil deaths <-- who disowned those men?
> siachien <-- lets have PMLN send it's army to retake it

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation
 
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Right. First it cuts off the legs of civilian power, and then blames it for falling down.

Responsibility comes in stages. For example, when you're in middle school 6/7/8, you father takes you to his business. When you're in high school 9/10/11/12 your father gives you more responsibility in taking control of the business. When your in college and you proven yourself, you get more responsibilities.

If the only responsibility you have is economy; railways, pia, electricity, qwadar. Domestic security, Karachi, Balochistan, reclaimed areas from taliban, Lahore, other cities. And you fail miserably at that, you want to take control of the ISI/Military and Foreign Affairs?

If you own a business hire me, make me the CEO with a contract of 5 years. 8-) :enjoy: :victory: :cheers:

Lets face the facts man, and agree, sometimes you need a dictator to fix shit.
 
The dictators use the situation the politicians create in order to come to power. Take away poor governance, corruption, weak foreign policy and the military will not be drawn into this. But it was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who threatened to break the legs of
Bengalis who voted. Lets admit even the civilian leaderships Pakistan has been ruled by are autocratic.

Lets not forget the decision Nawaz Sharif was about to make in regards to the country. He was about to declare himself King of Pakistan in the parliament before Musharraf came in and took control. The 5 year period for governance came from him. He was about to become Fuhrer.
 
Lol, let me fix that for you:

the politicians also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws <-- All done under extreme unrests
> Bangladesh <-- Messiah Bhutto claimed any politician who attends the parliament meeting in Dhaka will be traitor.
> Baluchistan situation <-- Messiah Bhuto
> Jihadi element of our society <-- sure, ISI worked with CIA, but what did the Shaheedah Bhutto,
> Sectarianism <--- corrupt judges, police
> mqm <---PPP/PMLN/etc/etc/etc all the same
> Kalashnikov culture <--
> religious intolerance <-- lack of spending on education
> tribal area's unrest <-- lack of state law enforcement
> causing democracy not to flourish <-- democracy only flourishes if the people want it to, people only want it to if the democracy gives them something
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan <-- who doesnt have the ball$ to finish them?
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army <-- and politicians want to cozy up to the enemies of Pakistan
> kargil deaths <-- who disowned those men?
> siachien <-- lets have PMLN send it's army to retake it

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation

I do agree that politicians have also had their share but one must not forget that these politicians were nothing but the puppets of their uniformed masters.

Now coming to the points you mentioned

>> 4 martial laws <-- All done under extreme unrests <-- unrests like happening today as dharnas... unrests like PMLN carrying out rallies against PPP in previous tenure.... opposition always creates unrests... army should leave these matters to the politicians so that they may figure out their shit and let the system mature just like its been happening post Musharraf. But in the past army was waiting for an opportunity or creating unrests to come into power.

>> Bangladesh <-- Messiah Bhutto claimed any politician who attends the parliament meeting in Dhaka will be traitor.... Yes it was zulfi's fault. but was there no discrimination with east Pakistan in the ayub era, the root cause of the problem, ? the army never used force in east Pakistan? equal rights were given to bengals during martial law? was their language given due importance during ayub era?

> Baluchistan situation <-- Messiah Bhuto .... Bugti was killed by MUSH.. yes zulfi started it but what did zia and mush do... they further aggravated the situation... and where is ISI in stopping funding and arming of BLA ?

> Jihadi element of our society <-- sure, ISI worked with CIA, but what did the Shaheedah Bhutto,... first you answer me where was this element befor 1977 i.e., Zia.. he created it for his own interests i.e., the army created it... and was ISI ever fully under civilian control

> Sectarianism <--- corrupt judges, police... agreed.. they helped it survive but it originated in Jhang during which ere... i hope you know the answer

> mqm <---PPP/PMLN/etc/etc/etc all the same... no not at all.... they came into this business of violence much later... mqm were the pioneers of violent politics.. yet an other gift of ZIA

> religious intolerance <-- lack of spending on education... the literacy rate was far less in 60s and 70s yet we were more intolerant society. It was the era of 80's the era of Mard-e-momin mard-e-haq era the Zia era when we were made into religiously intolerant... blasphemy law and other religious practices were forced on our broad minded nation....ask someone what was the situation of restaurants in ramadan in 60s and 70s.

> war on terror spilling into Pakistan <-- who doesnt have the ball$ to finish them?... Mush didnt have balls when they were spreading??

> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army <-- and politicians want to cozy up to the enemies of Pakistan... and this makes the eyes of our jawans shut? the army must do their job regardless of whatever is taking place at diplomatic level.... did any politician ever say to the army to relax border patrol and let 10% bombs come inside cause we are getting friendly to India

> tribal area's unrest <-- lack of state law enforcement... army ruled for nearly 40 years.. what did they do?

> causing democracy not to flourish <-- democracy only flourishes if the people want it to, people only want it to if the democracy gives them something... democracy never gives immediately to the people... look at india.. or if you are a student of history study british politicians a century back or americans... slowly but gradually democracy filters out rubbish... one has to be patient unlike our power thirsty unifromed men.

> kargil deaths <-- who disowned those men?... why were they made to die in the first place?? under what authority an army general can decide to wage a war without taking orders from his civilian boss?

> siachien <-- lets have PMLN send it's army to retake it.... why did zia gift it to India... whose incompetency resulted in this... was that person ever tried?

Take care
 
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the army also owes its debt to the the bloody civilians for

> 4 martial laws
> bangladesh
> baluchistan situation
> jihadi element of our society
> sectarianism
> mqm
> Kalashnikov culture
> religious intolerance
> triabl area's unrest
> casuing democracy not to flourish
> war on terror spilling into Pakistan'
> for all the bomb blasts whose material came in Pakistan by crossing the borders under the watchful eyes of our army
> kargil deaths
> siachien

> so on so forth

PS:- i respect the jawans but not the decision makers of our proud army. before we move on the army must apologize to the nation
*Most of the problems u mentioned r not created by the army,rather they were created by the civilian govt and now the army is/had cleanning/cleaned their mess.e.g.Bangladesh,martial laws,balochistan,etc.
*Also the kalashnikov culture and blasts r the result of the decision made by presidents of pakistan(although they were army chiefs as well but those decisions which brought these cultures were made acting as a president)
P.S.Why r u creating hate for our army by posting illogical things?
 
Responsibility comes in stages. For example, when you're in middle school 6/7/8, you father takes you to his business. When you're in high school 9/10/11/12 your father gives you more responsibility in taking control of the business. When your in college and you proven yourself, you get more responsibilities.

If the only responsibility you have is economy; railways, pia, electricity, qwadar. Domestic security, Karachi, Balochistan, reclaimed areas from taliban, Lahore, other cities. And you fail miserably at that, you want to take control of the ISI/Military and Foreign Affairs?

If you own a business hire me, make me the CEO with a contract of 5 years. 8-) :enjoy: :victory: :cheers:

Lets face the facts man, and agree, sometimes you need a dictator to fix shit.

What stages are you talking about when the older kid is kicked out of the house for another younger kid by the time the first one is ready to take on more responsibility?

You expect someone to fix the economy with having control of the financial aspects? How about trying to fix law and order without social development? Or may be getting foreign investment without any continuity of government or foreign policy? How about trying to achieve peace with your largest neighbor that is not allowed to happen since it will stop the gravy train?

Dictators leave a bigger and deeper pile of shit for the nation to clean up, every single damn time.
 

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