Is the Combination of F16 Block C/D and JF17 Block 3 , sufficient ?

[YeBeWarned]

Rafale bhi mil jai tou no problem

Han han Zaroor aap apne sasur se bolen na ?
mai ne jehaz mai 1 sq F-22 Raptor ka manga hai

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Conventional Dog Fight training
Every thing was around arc turns and twists

Now after watching the video you add some unconventional moves for few fighter planes then new tactics may emerge

WE NEED COBRA J10C/D

Old NASA tests to make F16 able to do Cobra like movements

 

[Basel]

What is the Immediate Dangers to Air Space Protection with

• Existance of Almost 250 Sukhoi-30 Crafts
• And purchase of 36 Rafale
• 64 Upgraded Mig29

Is the Combination of F16 Block C/D and JF17 Block 3 , sufficient ?

It is hard to imagine where would our Airforce's status would be had we not inducted the JF17 Thunders.

Now on verge of Block III arrival 2019/2020 , we are witnessing a new Era in development of Pakistan Air force.

JF-17 now potentially armed with an additional 2 Missile Launching hard points , 2 Long range Air to Air Missiles and new fresh Radar and Engine will certainly enhance the capabilities of National Defense.

Where will the Block III rank , vs Rafale considering the Thunder is getting a improved Radar , Improved Engine for better speed and agility and more closer Block C/D level flight acrobatics and maneuvering


Do the Radar/ Avionics upgrade would help bridge the game between JF17 I/II vs Rafale crafts?



From size prespective , Rafael are almost same size as the JF17 Thunders but they do enjoy a better Publicity about their Weapon's package and Duel Engine configuration

India's strategy has been to combine a Large Fighter , and a light Agile platform Rafael to create a Air force which has best elements from Western/Russian technology

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The problem at hand can be well understood with following image

The hindrance in sustained growth in F16 C/D numbers have meant a bit more pressure is put forth on the JF17 platform , to coming thru with flying colors by the time JF17 Block III is released

Had 18-25 F16 C/D arrived on schedule we could have argued that both Primary Platforms have continued to evolve


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Many people don't consider the F-7PG / Mirages to be much more then
hindrance in path of Sukhoi-30/Rafale threats. While both Mirage/F7 carry live weapons and Air to Air Missile the effectiveness of these older platform in a long duration battle is questionable

The problem is that F-16s of PAF will face similar logistical, maintenance issues as Kargil war time, as US is not happy with Pakistan and will make life very hard for PAF in maintaining F-16s in sustained sorties.

Also PAF need other then JFT to replace Mirages, JFT can not take all roles because it was never meant to, if Mirages are replaced with JFT even block-3 it will be not perfect choice as PAF need mach 2 high altitude interceptor which can pull high AoAs with ease and have good on station time too.

 

[Tps43]

Han han Zaroor aap apne sasur se bolen na ?
mai ne jehaz mai 1 sq F-22 Raptor ka manga hai

Sasur apka amreki hao mera nhi

 

[Basel]

What is the Immediate Dangers to Air Space Protection with

• Existance of Almost 250 Sukhoi-30 Crafts
• And purchase of 36 Rafale
• 64 Upgraded Mig29

Is the Combination of F16 Block C/D and JF17 Block 3 , sufficient ?

It is hard to imagine where would our Airforce's status would be had we not inducted the JF17 Thunders.

Now on verge of Block III arrival 2019/2020 , we are witnessing a new Era in development of Pakistan Air force.

JF-17 now potentially armed with an additional 2 Missile Launching hard points , 2 Long range Air to Air Missiles and new fresh Radar and Engine will certainly enhance the capabilities of National Defense.

Where will the Block III rank , vs Rafale considering the Thunder is getting a improved Radar , Improved Engine for better speed and agility and more closer Block C/D level flight acrobatics and maneuvering


Do the Radar/ Avionics upgrade would help bridge the game between JF17 I/II vs Rafale crafts?



From size prespective , Rafael are almost same size as the JF17 Thunders but they do enjoy a better Publicity about their Weapon's package and Duel Engine configuration

India's strategy has been to combine a Large Fighter , and a light Agile platform Rafael to create a Air force which has best elements from Western/Russian technology

View attachment 520102


The problem at hand can be well understood with following image

The hindrance in sustained growth in F16 C/D numbers have meant a bit more pressure is put forth on the JF17 platform , to coming thru with flying colors by the time JF17 Block III is released

Had 18-25 F16 C/D arrived on schedule we could have argued that both Primary Platforms have continued to evolve


View attachment 520101


Many people don't consider the F-7PG / Mirages to be much more then
hindrance in path of Sukhoi-30/Rafale threats. While both Mirage/F7 carry live weapons and Air to Air Missile the effectiveness of these older platform in a long duration battle is questionable

Mirages are data linked too so in NCW environment they can receive targeting data from 3rd party to fire BVR missile.

TVC engine is maintenance prone, look at MKI engine @AZADPAKISTAN2009

Nope, TVC has nothing to do with maintenance of engine, TVC just diverts thrust in specific direction.

 

[waz]

Well, I hope PAF had the opportunity to compare EFT against latest Rafales. The only good thing about EFT would be the weapons package and Thales supplied sensors and EW. Would SPECTRA be included? I don't think so.

There's no evidence I remember that the Rafales were ever tested or flown by PAF personal. The EFT was and they were blown away by it. But anyway, as for the what will come with it, that could only happen if the government put forward a proposition, but with the funding issue we may as well just leave it at this post.

 

[araz]

There's no evidence I remember that the Rafales were ever tested or flown by PAF personal. The EFT was and they were blown away by it. But anyway, as for the what will come with it, that could only happen if the government put forward a proposition, but with the funding issue we may as well just leave it at this post.

Rafale was fully tested in early 2000s by a Team led by ACM Rao. It was fantastic but too expensive to keep and maintain.
A

 

[waz]

Rafale was fully tested in early 2000s by a Team led by ACM Rao. It was fantastic but too expensive to keep and maintain.
A

Thanks for the information.

 

[araz]

Thanks for the information.

Glad to be of help.
Kind regards

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The JF17 Block III will be a great mile stone in making Airforce proper however , there will always be room for improvements

JF17 : Block III: Helmet Based Target Sight, AESA Radar , Engine Improvement
JF17 : Block IV : Could include a Thrust Vectoring Engine
JF17 : Block V : Could include a Weapons Upgrade (Improved Missiles range) and CFT


F16 have already been tested with Thrust Vectoring Engine

Since JF17 designs are similar to F16 , in theory , the JF17 could also be modified to be able to do Advance Movement in dog fight

 

[JohnWick]

we need this

And this

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

we need thisView attachment 520231

And thisView attachment 520232

This won't fly 10 centimeter over the ground would make a nice motor cycle parts

 

[JohnWick]

This won't fly 10 centimeter over the ground

These are fkin freakin space ships.which can travel wrap drive in space time

Through Quantum tunneling

 

[Ultima Thule]

Nope, TVC has nothing to do with maintenance of engine, TVC just diverts thrust in specific direction.

Yes sir i know but TVC engine is more maintenance prone than fixed engine, isn't sir @Basel

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well more engineers can be hired to do that it is not a show stopper