Arabic Coffee shop

al-Hasani said:

I am not an expert by any means when it comes to names but be sure of the fact that Adnan is a very old name and that the name is influential. It predates Islam by almost 2 millenniums. The historical Adnan traced his ancestry to Ishmael (ra) who was the first son of Prophet Ibrahim (as). I think that there is also mythology involved.

I think settler is the right translation.



Somehow I have noticed that Adnan is especially popular in the Balkans for some strange reason.

It seems that every third Bosnian/Albanian etc. is named Adnan for instance, LOL.

I think that it has something to do with the historical migrations around the ME or what is now the Arab world in the ME. (Levant, Iraq, Egypt & the Arabian Peninsula). Adnan and his family seems to have been migrants often too if we believe the sources.

@Sinan

I just ate at a Turkish restaurant here in Cannes called "Bosphore Kebab". It does not look impressive from the outside but the food was excellent (I ordered an Adana kebab) and the chefs were Turks from Adana who have lived in France for over 10 years now. I was surprised to learn the relatively large number of Turks in France. Normally the majority of the migrants in France are either people from Europe or the Arab world and former French colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa. Arabs are now the second biggest ethnic group after the French and hence some complains. A bit like among Germans about Turks in Germany. Not sure what they are complaining about as there is little difference between people now if anything.

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I was in France for 1 day from 21st to 22nd (yesterday) :

Had missed my connecting flight on 21st and had to spend the night near the airport as I had an early flight on 22nd...so stayed at the area near the airport Roissy-en-France and saw that mall aeroville mall since that was the only thing I could do...Everything closed at 8pm

al-Hasani said:

@Sinan
I just ate at a Turkish restaurant here in Cannes called "Bosphore Kebab". It does not look impressive from the outside but the food was excellent (I ordered an Adana kebab) and the chefs were Turks from Adana who have lived in France for over 10 years now. I was surprised to learn the relatively large number of Turks in France. Normally the majority of the migrants in France are either people from Europe or the Arab world and former French colonies in Sub-Saharan Africa. Arabs are now the second biggest ethnic group after the French and hence some complains. A bit like among Germans about Turks in Germany. Not sure what they are complaining about as there is little difference between people now if anything.

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Hmm...i doubt man....

I ate Turkish Kebab in Europe too...they were not compariable with the ones in Turkey.
They felt.....how can i describe........ synthetic.

Sinan said:

Hmm...i doubt man....

I ate Turkish Kebab in Europe too...they were not compariable with the ones in Turkey.
They felt.....how can i describe........ synthetic.

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"exotic" food in Europe caters for the European taste and def doesnt taste anything close to home even if the restaurant is owned by a foreigner...why? They think it will attract more public...My supervisor and some colleagues were boasting about being able to eat South Asian food coz they have eaten it in many places around Europe...then I introduced them to my cooking 1 of them had to literally sit next to the tissue box to finish his dish

Another time me and my sis went to this Indian restaurant in UK....yuck the food was like Indian food without spices not sure what we were expected to pay for

Akheilos said:

I was in France for 1 day from 21st to 22nd (yesterday) :

Had missed my connecting flight on 21st and had to spend the night near the airport as I had an early flight on 22nd...so stayed at the area near the airport Roissy-en-France and saw that mall aeroville mall since that was the only thing I could do...Everything closed at 8pm

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That sounds horrible. Believe it or not but I have never missed a plight and I am otherwise a person that has a pretty liberal viewpoint of punctuality which is totally contrary to my parents. I don't know where it comes from? But I am glad that you survived.

I am not that familiar with that part of metropolitan Paris. I am many more times familiar with the Aéroport Paris-Charles de Gaulle. In fact I only recall being in Roissy-en France once.

@Sinan

Yes, that's true. There is usually a world in difference but sometimes you can hit jackpot and actually frequent restaurants or eating places that serve authentic ME or South Asian cuisine made by people from those regions.

But of course most of those eating places (this goes for both Arab, Turkish, South Asian etc.) in Europe are what you can consider of low quality in our eyes but they are very popular in Europe. It's more like an alternative for fast food here.

But I must be fair and say that there are good ME restaurants in cities such as Paris and especially London. Less so in Copenhagen from what I have experienced though.

But of course in general you are right.

Akheilos said:

"exotic" food in Europe caters for the European taste and def doesnt taste anything close to home even if the restaurant is owned by a foreigner...why? They think it will attract more public...My supervisor and some colleagues were boasting about being able to eat South Asian food coz they have eaten it in many places around Europe...then I introduced them to my cooking 1 of them had to literally sit next to the tissue box to finish his dish

Another time me and my sis went to this Indian restaurant in UK....yuck the food was like Indian food without spices not sure what we were expected to pay for

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Spot on. You can't blame them because nobody here is used to spices. Arab food is usually the most spicy food in the ME and North Africa in general and some Arab foods are comparable to South Asian cuisine on this front (Hijazi, Yemeni, Omani, Moroccan) but forget about eating authentic South Asian cuisine in most places outside of London from my experience. I remember being at a Pakistani restaurant a few months ago in Copenhagen with other international students (some of them Pakistani students) and we went to a Pakistani restaurant (unfortunately it was labelled as "Indian" to attract people) and made it clear that we wanted the "real" deal in terms of ingredients. They obliged while laughing and telling us that they usually do not make it authentic at all as there is little demand.

Yet people from the diaspora in Europe are still eating at those places and the funny thing is that whenever they visit their parents home countries and eat the real deal they complain just as the locals in Europe somewhat. This is very funny.

al-Hasani said:

That sounds horrible. Believe it or not but I have never missed a plight and I am otherwise a person that has a pretty liberal viewpoint of punctuality which is totally contrary to my parents. I don't know where it comes from? But I am glad that you survived.
I am not that familiar with that part of metropolitan Paris. I am many more times familiar with the Aéroport Paris-Charles de Gaulle. In fact I only recall being in Roissy-en France once.

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Well....Since I had a 8am flight I didnt wanna miss it too so decided to stay within the airport's vicinity

Well I didnt actually miss it...My London flight lifted off a little late and hence landed a little late...I landed at 1 terminal and by the time I reached the terminal I was flying out of Paris from...the final call had been announced and even my baggage didnt reach my flight out of Paris hence why I got a free 1 night in Paris

Air France

Well, the thing was terminal 2G didnt announce its boarding I heard this the next morning (22nd Aug) when the lady on the counter opposite me got her boarding pass she was warned that the terminal doesnt announce final calls (prob how I missed it on 21st then again I arrived right on time when the gates closed and reached the bloody desk 10 mins after the flight had taken off without me ) ...But surprisingly on 22nd Aug they were announcing final calls 2-3 times and I saw Germans running to 2 of the flights soo I am guessing the bloody airport is spread too much that transfer takes too much time!

al-Hasani said:

Spot on. You can't blame them because nobody here is used to spices. Arab food is usually the most spicy food in the ME and North Africa in general and some Arab foods are comparable to South Asian cuisine on this front (Hijazi, Yemeni, Omani, Moroccan) but forget about eating authentic South Asian cuisine in most places outside of London from my experience. I remember being at a Pakistani restaurant a few months ago in Copenhagen with other international students (some of them Pakistani students) and we went to a Pakistani restaurant (unfortunately it was labelled as "Indian" to attract people) and made it clear that we wanted the "real" deal in terms of ingredients. They obliged while laughing and telling us that they usually do not make it authentic at all as there is little demand.
Yet people from the diaspora in Europe are still eating at those places and the funny thing is that whenever they visit their parents home countries and eat the real deal they complain just as the locals in Europe somewhat. This is very funny.

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Well....I ate at this restaurant in Copenhagen ..cant recall the name..it was close to the train station and had a nice interior expensive though (was a poor student back then ....) since I was only there for few hrs I didnt go around too much

I think the meal was buffet and it did look yummy but less spicy..

Akheilos said:

Well....Since I had a 8am flight I didnt wanna miss it too so decided to stay within the airport's vicinity

Well I didnt actually miss it...My London flight lifted off a little late and hence landed a little late...I landed at 1 terminal and by the time I reached the terminal I was flying out of Paris from...the final call had been announced and even my baggage didnt reach my flight out of Paris hence why I got a free 1 night in Paris

Air France

Well, the thing was terminal 2G didnt announce its boarding I heard this the next morning (22nd Aug) when the lady on the counter opposite me got her boarding pass she was warned that the terminal doesnt announce final calls (prob how I missed it on 21st then again I arrived right on time when the gates closed and reached the bloody desk 10 mins after the flight had taken off without me ) ...But surprisingly on 22nd Aug they were announcing final calls 2-3 times and I saw Germans running to 2 of the flights soo I am guessing the bloody airport is spread too much that transfer takes too much time!

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Oh, that's great!

Usually Air France is quite good but they have their unfortunate incidents as every other flag carrier out there. At least they paid for all the expenses.

This reminds me of a story that involved a old passport of mine and a temporary passport last year. I think that they call it a provisory passport nowadays. Somehow I showed the outdated passport by a mistake when I was receiving my boarding pass and afterwards after I went past the security/police (don't recall the English word I am looking for). To my shock they did not notice that it had expired and we are talking about a VERY old passport that was made back in 2007. So sometimes I really question the security and personal but you can't blame them when they are dealing with thousands of people a day. Some are at least!

So them not announcing the call can happen unfortunately. Always look at the information. I nearly got lost at Copenhagen airport when I was flying to Nice. Started panicking a little too as I was late as usual.

Could not find gate D2 which as I recall actually turned into gate D102 in reality.

al-Hasani said:

Oh, that's great!

Usually Air France is quite good but they have their unfortunate incidents as every other flag carrier out there. At least they paid for all the expenses.

This reminds me of a story that involved a old passport of mine and a temporary passport last year. I think that they call it a provisory passport nowadays. Somehow I showed the outdated passport by a mistake when I was receiving my boarding pass and afterwards after I went past the security/police (don't recall the English word I am looking for). To my shock they did not notice that it had expired and we are talking about a VERY old passport that was made back in 2007. So sometimes I really question the security and personal but you can't blame them when they are dealing with thousands of people a day. Some are at least!

So them not announcing the call can happen unfortunately. Always look at the information. I nearly got lost at Copenhagen airport when I was flying to Nice. Started panicking a little too as I was late as usual.

Could not find gate D2 which as I recall actually turned into gate D102 in reality.

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No the lady actually said they dont announce flights on that terminal...strange but seriously on 21st I heard not a single announcement while on 22nd I heard 3 "final call" of the same flight at least they improved...Well I do look like a kid and when I am sad or upset I can really look like a lost kid...

Yea at least they paid...and I got to look around for 1 night in Paris well North Paris

@Akhelios

That South Asian restaurant that you are talking about could it possible be this one? Actually it is owned by Pakistanis (yes, I have eaten there and I usually have a habit of speaking with the staff) and it is quite good and relatively cheap despite its central location. 1000 times better than nearby fast food chains such as McDonalds etc. Although I can't lie when I say that I sometimes order 1 cheeseburger or two.



There are actually quite a few South Asian/Pakistani restaurants in Copenhagen and some of them are really good and well-known.

Haha, I can recognize that "looking as a kid" or being as confused as a kid in such situations. You can't really act calm when you are getting lost and your flight is scheduled to depart in 10 minutes. Anyway I am huge fan of aviation and I love flying.

al-Hasani said:

@Akhelios

That South Asian restaurant that you are talking about could it possible be this one? Actually it is owned by Pakistanis (yes, I have eaten there and I usually have a habit of speaking with the staff) and it is quite good and relatively cheap despite its central location. 1000 times better than nearby fast food chains such as McDonalds etc. Although I can't lie when I say that I sometimes order 1 cheeseburger or two.



There are actually quite a few South Asian/Pakistani restaurants in Copenhagen and some of them are really good and well-known.

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No that place was not a fast food take away but a proper restaurant ...after walking in the city for few hours I wanted a good meal and it had buffet for Lunch or something....

Akheilos said:

No that place was not a fast food take away but a proper restaurant ...after walking in the city for few hours I wanted a good meal and it had buffet for Lunch or something....

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It could be every restaurant as there are quite a lot of South Asian restaurants/take away places. The most funny thing is that buffets are EXTREMELY popular in Scandinavia. They call it a Swedish buffet in Denmark.

al-Hasani said:

@Sinan
Yes, that's true. There is usually a world in difference but sometimes you can hit jackpot and actually frequent restaurants or eating places that serve authentic ME or South Asian cuisine made by people from those regions.
But of course most of those eating places (this goes for both Arab, Turkish, South Asian etc.) in Europe are what you can consider of low quality in our eyes but they are very popular in Europe. It's more like an alternative for fast food here.
But I must be fair and say that there are good ME restaurants in cities such as Paris and especially London. Less so in Copenhagen from what I have experienced though.
But of course in general you are right.

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Hmm... what you say is true...

In Ankara Kebab restaurants are generally ok...but some of them are are superb.

In Adana City(Southern Turkey) Kebab restaurants are generally superb...but some of are off the chart.

Edit: Now i ordered kebab because of you.

al-Hasani said:

It could be every restaurant as there are quite a lot of South Asian restaurants/take away places. The most funny thing is that buffets are EXTREMELY popular in Scandinavia. They call it a Swedish buffet in Denmark.

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yea I was googling and damn yea could be any of them! was in the year 2011 I think....cant recall much now

Sinan said:

Hmm... what you say is true...

In Ankara Kebab restaurants are generally ok...but some of them are are superb.

In Adana City(Southern Turkey) Kebab restaurants are generally superb...but some of are off the chart.

Edit: Now i ordered kebab because of you.

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I have heard from my Turkish mates that Adana especially is famous for its kebabs and meat dishes.

I could eat Adana kebab every second day with some good rice, vegetables and various yoghurts. To that some nice tea and coffee afterwards. After such meals I am satisfied for the rest of the day.

History

Kebabs are usually made out of ground lamb meat and tail fat, though there are many regional variations. Kebabs are fairly common in the area from Mersin in Turkey to Kirkuk in Iraq, and includes Aleppo in Syria.[1] According to many authors, this kebab was born out of a fusion of Turkish and Arab cultures. Birecik, once an important locality in the Eyalet of Aleppo, is said to be the creator of this very kind of kebab.[1] The version prepared and consumed today in the province of Adana also has a history rooted in the modern Turkish culture, only to receive a "Controlled Designation of Origin" in February 2005, after subsequent legal trials.[4][5]

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Adana kebabı - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This explains it because in the Arab world (Levant in particular and Iraq and Hijaz) there are local kebabs who are extremely similar to Adana Kebab. This must be bound in mutual culinary influences.

What is the typical meat dish of Ankara or Anatolia?

Haha, you won't regret it I believe.

al-Hasani said:

I have heard from my Turkish mates that Adana especially is famous for its kebabs and meat dishes.

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Yeap..they are making the undisputed the best kebabs in Turkey

al-Hasani said:

I could eat Adana kebab every second day with some good rice, vegetables and various yoghurts. To that some nice tea and coffee afterwards. After such meals I am satisfied for the rest of the day.

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For me, Adana is like a basic kebab....

For instance "Beyti" is like a more advanced Kebab

It's basically adana meat wrapped by lavaş, tomato sousce, eaten with yoğurt...some serve it with kashar cheese and pistachio on it...

Also

al-Hasani said:

I have heard from my Turkish mates that Adana especially is famous for its kebabs and meat dishes.

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This explains it because in the Arab world (Levant in particular and Iraq and Hijaz) there are local kebabs who are extremely similar to Adana Kebab. This must be bound in mutual culinary influences.

What is the typical meat dish of Ankara or Anatolia?[/quote]

Mate, Turkish cuisine is insanely rich.. our cuisine have similarities with Turkic, Arab, Iranian, Greek, Anatolian, Black Sea cuisines...so there is no typical meat dish.. I would say....

Let's ask @Targon , maybe he has an better answer.

al-Hasani said:

Haha, you won't regret it I believe.

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Never.

Hard question I don't know what could be a typical meat dish. in Antalya meat culture isn't as developed as vegetables, typical meat dishes are meatballs, simple skewer stuff, plain meat in barbecue, meat in vegetable dishes and juicy meat dishes, in major part of the dishes meat is just a topping.

One example


I think rest of western Anatolia also goes like that but of course there are a lot of regional dishes including meat dishes.