Zionist mosquitoes and infidel viruses amongst us

[Maira La]

Umm,did you hear Bangladesh being mentioned anywhere? As usual it's irrelevant.Make yourself scarce.

Did I mention Bangladesh anywhere? Or are you suggesting this section is off-limits to BD members? As usual, creating an exit plan to avoid the argument.

 

[Desert Fox]

Umm,did you hear Bangladesh being mentioned anywhere? As usual it's irrelevant.Make yourself scarce.

And so what if he is Bangali? Solomon2 can say whatever he wants, according to you, but a Bangali can't because he is irrelevant and therefore has no right to state facts?

Hypocrisy.

 

[cyphercide]

Did I mention Bangladesh anywhere? Or are you suggesting this section is off-limits to BD members? As usual, creating an exit plan to avoid the argument.

Well,truth be told;Bangladesh is insignificant.As an Indian,there's nothing much that I or Pakistanis can do than in that matter than be angry at the amount of loans given to you guys....

 

[Solomon2]

Tel me Mr. Solomon2,
1).what exactly is Zionism?
2).what is the meaning of this ideology?
3).What is the goal of Zionists?
4).What is the basis for this ideology? ,ie which scripture, or set of literature do Zionists adhere to, for example the Communist adhere to (or base their ideology on) the Communist Manifesto.

Why take my word for it? Here is how one of the most famous Zionists actually lived - for principles are what you fight for, not what you talk about:

Ben-Gurion: A Political Life - by Shimon Peres

 

[Desert Fox]

Why take my word for it? Here is how one of the most famous Zionists actually lived - for principles are what you fight for, not what you talk about:

Ben-Gurion: A Political Life - by Shimon Peres

I appreciate the recommendation Sir, but it doesn't answer any of my questions, and secondly i asked you because you are a follower of the Zionist ideology, are you not?

I want you to answer all of my questions one by one in the order that they are posted, the answers should be straight forward, if you don't know what i mean by straight forward then here i will give you an example:

Example:
Q:What is your name?
A:My name is John.

And not this way:
Q:What is your name?
A:Why are you asking me my name, ask this guy who knows me.

 

[Maira La]

Well,truth be told;Bangladesh is insignificant.As an Indian,there's nothing much that I or Pakistanis can do than in that matter than be angry at the amount of loans given to you guys....

LoL??? Bro, you're losing it. This thread has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Take it easy.

 

[Maira La]

Seriously,get the hell out of here.You guys don't really make a difference to any side....

How adorable! But you need to get your heart checked. Besides, solomon isn't doing as bad. Get a hold of yourself.

 

[nForce]

....? Are ya serious? If you are,you sure do sound like a jackass.

On an unrelated note;You post what you want Solomon.If it's problematic,the Mods will take action and not these clowns.

I think you are over reacting.I have been following this forum for some time,and have noticed a common trend in the posts of solomon.There is a tendency to create bitter conflict among people having different belief.His posts these days cooked up with lots of spices and are bound to spark a troll fest.I dont think that will achieve anything but creating more hate among the minds of people.

If someone is sincere and keen on resolving certain issues,then I believe there are more benign ways to approach it,rather than fueling the differences in the minds of people.Frankly,to me,it looks like,this thread was created aimed at scoring some cheap scores.
I do like the posts of solomon,he tries to back up his posts with information,but then I dont see much of that happening here.

Lastly,I dont think name calling is the best way to argue,if you disagree with somebody.

 

[cyphercide]

Right; So back to the thread...I guess there's no constructive thread here in the first place.....Is it time for a reformat that suits everyone....?

Perhaps time for one-one-one talks between Pakistan and Israel....?

Perhaps India or the United States could play the middleman....?

Perhaps peace could prevail rather than the constant war mongering....

Let's come up with an alternative tonite.Everybody set your grey cells on.....

 

[Solomon2]

I appreciate the recommendation Sir, but it doesn't answer any of my questions

That's right, but at least I got to plug the book, right? It seemed appropriate as falsehoods regarding Ben-Gurion were what originally drew me to PDF.

Zionism is, quite simply, the belief that Jews, like other peoples, deserve a land to go home to and live and grow as they desire, in communities unmolested by oppression or anti-Semitism. That this land should be their ancient homeland in the Middle East was settled early on. It is a secular nationalist movement rather than a religious one.

Zionist ideas are in accordance with the de-imperialization movements of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, as the foundations of the empires of Russia, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottomans shook under the onslaught of growing nationalist assertiveness of their components. The strain of World War I destroyed the Empires and millions of peoples migrated and segregated into the new nation states or territories, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Iraq, Syria, and the British Mandate of Palestine.

 

[Secret Service]

article is little funny , but i believe in Biological warfare.

 

[ARSENAL6]

That's right, but at least I got to plug the book, right? It seemed appropriate as falsehoods regarding Ben-Gurion were what originally drew me to PDF.

Zionism is, quite simply, the belief that Jews, like other peoples, deserve a land to go home to and live and grow as they desire, in communities unmolested by oppression or anti-Semitism. That this land should be their ancient homeland in the Middle East was settled early on. It is a secular nationalist movement rather than a religious one.

Zionist ideas are in accordance with the de-imperialization movements of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, as the foundations of the empires of Russia, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottomans shook under the onslaught of growing nationalist assertiveness of their components. The strain of World War I destroyed the Empires and millions of peoples migrated and segregated into the new nation states or territories, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Iraq, Syria, and the British Mandate of Palestine.

Its a lie to say that Jews only existed after ww1 in Middleeast.


An overveiw nut shell

Once again Solomom2 has come here to lie, promote proganda and spread hate.
the Truth is Zionist started the WW1 & 2, mass Murdered their own Jewish people to get a land own rightfully by Palistien, just to occupy the temple mount.

Zionism = racism

 

[Desert Fox]

That's right, but at least I got to plug the book, right? It seemed appropriate as falsehoods regarding Ben-Gurion were what originally drew me to PDF.

Zionism is, quite simply, the belief that Jews, like other peoples, deserve a land to go home to and live and grow as they desire, in communities unmolested by oppression or anti-Semitism. That this land should be their ancient homeland in the Middle East was settled early on.

But then why are their Jewish groups that disagree with the Zionist view and the Zionist ideology? What are their conflicting views?

It is a secular nationalist movement rather than a religious one.

But then this is contradicting the statement below:

That this land should be their ancient homeland in the Middle East was settled early on.

The belief that the ancient homeland is in the middle east (the promise land) and that to where the previous Jewish kingdom existed is a religious belief, not a secular one, for if it were secular then why choose a land that is already inhabited by other people and why not instead establish a homeland where there will be no conflicting interests, nor violence, or anything to do with religion.

Zionist ideas are in accordance with the de-imperialization movements of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, as the foundations of the empires of Russia, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottomans shook under the onslaught of growing nationalist assertiveness of their components. The strain of World War I destroyed the Empires and millions of peoples migrated and segregated into the new nation states or territories, like Hungary, Romania, Poland, Iraq, Syria, and the British Mandate of Palestine.

But then again, this only answers a few of my questions, i'm still left without straightforward answers, and you quoted only small portion of my post while cutting off the rest of it.

4).What is the basis for this ideology? ,ie which scripture, or set of literature do Zionists adhere to, for example the Communist adhere to (or base their ideology on) the Communist Manifesto.

 

[Pakistanisage]

these are some new tactics of war with any nuclear power country

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include one more thing.... and that is water diversions by India

As for the water diversion, remember the old Phrase " What goes around comes around".

Now the Indians are complaining that China is diverting their water.

Like I said " what goes around, comes around "

How do you like them apples, Indian FRIENDS ( and yes, I am using the term FRIEND rather loosely ).

 

[Solomon2]

But then why are their Jewish groups that disagree with the Zionist view and the Zionist ideology?

Why should all Jews be expected to think the same?

It is a secular nationalist movement rather than a religious one.

But then this is contradicting the statement below:

Where is the contradiction?

The belief that the ancient homeland is in the middle east (the promise land) and that to where the previous Jewish kingdom existed is a religious belief, not a secular one -

Heavens, no! If that is what you learnt then you have been deliberately and maliciously misinformed. You don't have to take my word on that. Just go to Rome and see Trajan's column, erected by him to tell the story of the conquest of Judea, a monument which has stood for over 1,900 years.

- for if it were secular then why choose a land that is already inhabited by other people -

The population density of Palestine a hundred years ago was very low. Up until Independence Jews purchased their land from Arabs eager to sell it; there was no other way to obtain it. Much of the land was vacant; other plots were occupied by Arab tenant-farmers, some of whom migrated when their tenancies expired without renewal, others of whom stayed on to assist the Jews build their new farms and communities - without these the Zionist project would likely have died (80%+ of the first wave from Europe succumbed to disease or depression).

What is the basis for this ideology? ,ie which scripture, or set of literature do Zionists adhere to, for example the Communist adhere to (or base their ideology on) the Communist Manifesto.

It is more helpful to think of Jews as a people expelled from their homeland for whom Judaism is their national religion - albeit a religion whose practice is not enforced upon Jewish descendants. Zionism does indeed have religious roots as we Jews often express, in our liturgy, the desire to return to the land of our forefathers and Jerusalem in particular; however the modern movement was initiated by Theodor Herzl, along the lines I outlined previously.

I am aware of the fascination many Pakistanis have for Israel and Zionism. I know it's difficult for you to grasp the ideology. The question in Pakistani minds seems to be why Zionism has worked so well compared to Pakistan. Both Zia (the only non-Israeli Muslim general to command Israeli forces) and some of the founders of Bangladesh thought hard about this.

Misinformation by people who have a self-interest in propagating lies doesn't help. That's why you need books like the one above, to immerse you into a different way of thinking entirely. You'll learn how external facts, ideology, and personal experience combine to produce action. You won't be a slave to the phony aphorisms ("Zionism = Racism, Solomon2 has come here to lie") of people like Arsenal6 any more.

The idea of reading Zionist's books shouldn't shock you. Menachem Begin's The Revolt, describing his armed opposition to the occupying British, is widely read by the Palestinian Arabs. I suppose they see it as some sort of model for terrorists. (Begin calls himself one, but the Begin's Irgun didn't target civilians.) The Irgun was small and quickly suppressed by Ben-Gurion when they tried to assert themselves against the Haganah. Begin finished his days as a parliamentarian, not a dictator. However, I understand Begin does a pretty good job of dispelling the idea that Israel is nothing more than an expression of Western colonialism.

What do these things about Zionists and their efforts to re-establish Jews in their homeland have to do with Pakistan? Nothing at all. The whole thing about Zionists being out to get Pakistan is an ugly libel that gullible Pakistanis appear in a flock to gobble up and that's what the author, Latif, is lampooning.