Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

[cnleio]

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[Beast]

China Y-9 and Airborne weapons

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This photo is significant. In the absent of many heavy transport airborne aircraft. Y-9 now will play the significant role of power projection with tailor made airborne weapons until Y-20 enter service.

 

[Aepsilons]

@cnleio , here's the JGSDF's own LMAT Type 01 (01式軽対戦車誘導弾)

 

[cnleio]

@cnleio , here's the JGSDF's own LMAT Type 01 (01式軽対戦車誘導弾)

Is that Japan version Javelin, pls share pic i can't access to youtube here.

 

[GeHAC]

In the future，anti-tank battalion of brigade’s artillery regiments and division‘s artillery brigades can be cancelled after HJ-12 entering service.AFT-10 and CM501G multirole missiles would be the better choice for brigade level anti-tank mission.

 

[Aepsilons]

Is that Japan version Javelin, pls share pic i can't access to youtube here.

Yes, it is the LMAT Type 01

 

[Beast]

@cnleio , here's the JGSDF's own LMAT Type 01 (01式軽対戦車誘導弾)

That is the big advantage of having a powerful electronic sector. You see the Japanese has long made a Fire and Forget ATGM few years ago and China only has this HJ-12 enter service last year when Russian has struggle many years and yet to field a similar fire and forget portable ATGM. Their advance ATGM is rely on so called SALOS system.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

In the future，anti-tank battalion of brigade’s artillery regiments and division‘s artillery brigades can be cancelled after HJ-12 entering service.AFT-10 and CM501G multirole missiles would be the better choice for brigade level anti-tank mission.

That's a dangerous recommendation. Missiles are a good system for any military to have, but using them as the only option? Missiles are more easily compromised by enemy defenses than artillery shells are. Smart shells, such as the GPS and laser guided Excalibur of the US military, are even more difficult to stop... and very accurate even against moving targets. The mobility of guided missile systems is useful, but static or mobile artillery and anti-tank guns can be even more deadly, and these systems carry more ammunition per system than the typical anti-tank missile system. Why limit yourself? By doing so you are decreasing your own versatility and increasing your enemy's ability to counter your systems but allowing them the need to develop fewer countermeasures. Compliment existing systems with the HJ-12, AFT-10 and CM501G, but don't rely on these alone.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Want to see the Z-20 - helicopter - would be a game changer for our Air Assault Ops/

Z-20 is good for high altitude operation, I heart that India will get the blackhawk, I hope Pakistan can acquire one or two squadron of Z-20, it's much cheaper

 

[cnleio]

That is the big advantage of having a powerful electronic sector. You see the Japanese has long made a Fire and Forget ATGM few years ago and China only has this HJ-12 enter service last year when Russian has struggle many years and yet to field a similar fire and forget portable ATGM. Their advance ATGM is rely on so called SALOS system.

1. Advanced electronic power
2. Mature tech to share

Although China HJ-12 release 10 years later than Japan LMAT type01, i still happy to see China Javelin here. I believe future all MBTs will add more armours on their heads now ... LOL !

 

[Aepsilons]

That is the big advantage of having a powerful electronic sector. You see the Japanese has long made a Fire and Forget ATGM few years ago and China only has this HJ-12 enter service last year when Russian has struggle many years and yet to field a similar fire and forget portable ATGM. Their advance ATGM is rely on so called SALOS system.

Precisely. I will admit that I am impressed with the Chinese production and successful fielding of the HJ-12. I've seen some pictures of this being used in Chinese military exercises. No doubt this will add a powerful edge to the PLA, and any nation that will purchase this platform. Good Job China !

 

[Aepsilons]

1. Advanced electronic power
2. Mature tech to share

Although China HJ-12 release 10 years later than Japan LMAT type01, i still happy to see China Javelin here. I believe future all MBTs will add more armours on their heads now ... LOL !

It shows to us, bro, that strategies in heavy cavalry use is always changing. Long gone are the days that a tank company can just overrun an infantry post. If said infantry post has quantity of LMAT Type 01 or HJ-12, good bye Tank. LOL.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

It shows to us, bro, that strategies in heavy cavalry use is always changing. Long gone are the days that a tank company can just overrun an infantry post. If said infantry post has quantity of LMAT Type 01 or HJ-12, good bye Tank. LOL.

Very true. Infantry units have been given a massive increase in their capabilities with smaller and more deadly missiles. This is why we don't see pure infantry units anymore. The shift is towards a connected battlefield that sees a military not fight as individual branches, but as a single unit where everyone is connected to and supporting each other. Infantry should not be put into a possition were they have to rely on themselves to stop an enemy advance. One other thing I wanted to say is the while missiles help, the ingenuity of the infantry man is a wonder weapons in-of-itself. Missiles help, but take a look at the IDEs of the Iraq war. Some could turn a 70 ton M1A2 with a TUSK (tank urban survival kit) package upside-down. Infantry can use their own ingenuity to set trap for tanks, trap them in environments they cannot fight in and demolish them with ruthless efficiency. The US learned many valuable and brutal lessons in human ingenuity in Iraq... as did the Russian military in Chechnya. Respect his weapons, but never underestimate the man behind them. He will always have a surprise for you.

 

[cirr]

Anti-frogman Rocket Launcher:

 

[cnleio]

It shows to us, bro, that strategies in heavy cavalry use is always changing. Long gone are the days that a tank company can just overrun an infantry post. If said infantry post has quantity of LMAT Type 01 or HJ-12, good bye Tank. LOL.

No doubt, Fire and Forget + Top Attack will change the game rule of future ground battle to against a tank. The weakness always on the HEAD !