Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

[Hurter]

A good stealth fighter, J-31 ?


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No cockpit pictures of J-31?

 

[raazh]

cant see any smoke behind the RD93/33 engines .. plus the nozzle leaves also look more pleasing .. I do believe PAF will induct more than 2 sqds of this plane depending on Indian Pakfa developments .. however I am more interested to see the inside electronics and goodies from this plane being implanted in future JF17 blocks ..

 

[Sanchez]

Sounds more a like a problem with the tactics and battlefield thinking than an issue with the system. The HJ-8 is a TOW analogue while the HJ-12 is China's Javelin-type system. When the US introduced the Javelin in 1998, yes one of the most advanced anti-tank systems in the world is nearly 20 years old, it didn't replace the TOW, it just reassigned the TOW to use by other platforms. The HJ-12 is for dismounted or light infantry (such as recon or light armored vehicle mounted troops), the HJ-8 can still be used effectively from helicopters or mounted on vehicles. Also, I never mentioned anti-tank guns/tank destroyers, rather I mentioned the use of artillery as an anti-tank system and for this artillery is a brutally effective system, especially when equipped with anti-tank sub-munitions. Artillery guns also have much longer ranges than anti-tank missiles. A grad launcher or M777 battery can reduce a a modern tank force to scrap with a few salvos. The HJ-8 doesn't have to be replaced and it can't be replaced by the HJ-12 or other mounted systems because you are proposing that a system replaces another systems when the two don't share a common role (mounted versus dismounted, mobile versus stationary). Just as the Javelin didn't replace the TOW, the HJ-8 will not be replaced by the HJ-12 or AFT-10 or any other similar system.

HJ-8 sounds ancient to me,....and was replaced long time ago.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

HJ-8 sounds ancient to me,....and was replaced long time ago.

Ancient it does sound, though no more than the US TOW, but the HJ-8 is still in service as the main missile on the PLA helicopters.

A good stealth fighter, J-31 ?


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It looks good, but the rear aspect stealth is compromised by the shape of the engine nozzle, and that fact that there are two engines which will increase the heat signature of the J-31. From the front is it looks awesome, but I have a question about its RAM. Does the J-31 use a RAM paint like the F-22, F-117 and B-2, RAM paints which are expensive and difficult to maintain, or does it used a baked-in RAM coating like the F-35? Also a cockpit view would be very welcomed. The J-31 trainer pictures you posted make the trainer look older... at least when compared to the F-35's trainer.

Compare this

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[Sanchez]

Ancient it does sound, though no more than the US TOW, but the HJ-8 is still in service as the main missile on the PLA helicopters.

Wrong. I'll let others to correct you.

 

[cnleio]

No cockpit pictures of J-31?

Cockpit pics at 35 page, #520 ... China next-gen fighter cockpit simulator, J-31's cockpit also developed from that.

 

[Donatello]

Ancient it does sound, though no more than the US TOW, but the HJ-8 is still in service as the main missile on the PLA helicopters.


It looks good, but the rear aspect stealth is compromised by the shape of the engine nozzle, and that fact that there are two engines which will increase the heat signature of the J-31. From the front is it looks awesome, but I have a question about its RAM. Does the J-31 use a RAM paint like the F-22, F-117 and B-2, RAM paints which are expensive and difficult to maintain, or does it used a baked-in RAM coating like the F-35? Also a cockpit view would be very welcomed.

These are prototypes and technology demonstrators, akin to the YFs in F-22 program. Final product will be more mature of course. There is no production timeline available, as it still in testing phase.

 

[cnleio]

It looks good, but the rear aspect stealth is compromised by the shape of the engine nozzle, and that fact that there are two engines which will increase the heat signature of the J-31. From the front is it looks awesome, but I have a question about its RAM. Does the J-31 use a RAM paint like the F-22, F-117 and B-2, RAM paints which are expensive and difficult to maintain, or does it used a baked-in RAM coating like the F-35? Also a cockpit view would be very welcomed. The J-31 trainer pictures you posted make the trainer look older... at least when compared to the F-35's trainer.

Current J-31 as same as YF-35 situation, not the final version, some rumor said the formal name will called J-21.

1. The engine nozzle problem will wait for domestic WS-13 out, current Russia RD-93 just like that.
2. We know nothing about China RAM paint, no read any official news yet.
3. Cockpit pics at 35 page, #520 ... China next-gen fighter cockpit simulator, after 11.11 open day we will see more details.

 

[chauvunist]

A good stealth fighter, J-31 ?


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Queen of the show along with HJ-12...

 

[cnleio]

@SvenSvensonov

1. We r waiting China domestic vector jet engine out to install on J-31 or J-20 ... it still in test

2. It's 2012 ZhuHai Air Show displayed China next-gen fighter cockpit simulater_v1.0, 2014 it update to v2.0, after 11.11 see more v2.0 pics.

2012 v1.0 compared with F-35

 

[Ultima Thule]

A good stealth fighter, J-31 ?


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better than J-20

 

[mike2000]

@SvenSvensonov

1. We r waiting China domestic vector jet engine out to install on J-31 or J-20 ... it still in test
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2. It's 2012 ZhuHai Air Show displayed China next-gen fighter cockpit simulater_v1.0, 2014 it update to v2.0, after 11.11 see more v2.0 pics.
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2012 v1.0 compared with F-35
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Looks Good/decent enough.Keep the pics coming bro, nice one.

Is the J-31 just for export, or will it also be used by China's own air force as well?

 

[cnleio]

Is the J-31 just for export, or will it also be used by China's own air force as well?

Current project situation, J-31 == YF-35 not the final version yet ... so maybe yes or no, at least it's sure J-31 project for export.

 

[cnleio]

J-10S fighters of China "Auguest 1st" aerobatics team on 2014 ZhuHai Air Show

 

[cnleio]

Continue 39 page, #572 ...
A good stealth fighter, J-31 ?

CASC show the final version of J-31 v2.0 mockup on ZhuHai Air Show