Z-10. Best attack helicopter made by an Asian country so far

[beijingwalker]

It is totally useless in Himalaya

So many of them in Himalayas, more than the local birds there, and it depends on what you use them for, for Indians, they are good enough.
Indian choppers always crash whenever they come close to the Chinese border, we don't even have to shoot them, they always know how to crash by themselves.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, bellow 10000 ft for a payload of 500 kg.


The shit called Z10 has more than double the weight of LCH yet weaker engine. It has terribally low T/W ratio. It can not lift more than 500 kg beyond 10000 ft. Where is the comparison? Chines are so brain washed in CPC reducation camp that they believe that law of physics will apply them differently. Their we bulky Chopper can fly at high altitude since it is Chinese.

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 14.15 m (46 ft 5 in)[citation needed]
Height: 3.85 m (12 ft 8 in)[citation needed]
Empty weight: 5,100 kg (11,244 lb)
Gross weight: 5,540 kg (12,214 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 7,000 kg (15,432 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × WZ-9 turboshaft engines, 1,000 kW (1,300 hp) each[citation needed]
Main rotor diameter: 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
Performance

Maximum speed: 270 km/h (170 mph, 150 kn)
Cruise speed: 230 km/h (140 mph, 120 kn)
Range: 800 km (500 mi, 430 nmi)
Service ceiling: 6,400 m (21,000 ft)
g limits: +3
Rate of climb: 10 m/s (2,000 ft/min) +


What Indian made choppers specification? what high tech armed choppers doesn India make?

 

[IblinI]

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 14.15 m (46 ft 5 in)[citation needed]
Height: 3.85 m (12 ft 8 in)[citation needed]
Empty weight: 5,100 kg (11,244 lb)
Gross weight: 5,540 kg (12,214 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 7,000 kg (15,432 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × WZ-9 turboshaft engines, 1,000 kW (1,300 hp) each[citation needed]
Main rotor diameter: 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
Performance

Maximum speed: 270 km/h (170 mph, 150 kn)
Cruise speed: 230 km/h (140 mph, 120 kn)
Range: 800 km (500 mi, 430 nmi)
Service ceiling: 6,400 m (21,000 ft)
g limits: +3
Rate of climb: 10 m/s (2,000 ft/min) +


What Indian made choppers specification? what high tech armed choppers doesn India make?

Urgent deal of 70k AK from Russia..It seems to be their latest achievement.

 

[Surya 1]

Empty weight: 5,100 kg (11,244 lb)
Gross weight: 5,540 kg (12,214 lb)

Powerplant: 2 × WZ-9 turboshaft engines, 1,000 kW (1,300 hp) each[citation needed]

From your post above.

LCH Empty weight 2350 kg.
Powerplant: 2 × HAL/Turbomeca Shakti-1H1 turboshaft, 1,032 kW (1,384 shp) each.

Now count the T/W ratio of both. Z10's T/W ratio is less than halh of LCH's. Z 10 is totally unfit chopper for high altitude operation because of poor T/W ratio.

 

[beijingwalker]

From your post above.

LCH Empty weight 2350 kg.
Powerplant: 2 × HAL/Turbomeca Shakti-1H1 turboshaft, 1,032 kW (1,384 shp) each.

Now count the T/W ratio of both. Z10's T/W ratio is less than halh of LCH's. Z 10 is totally unfit chopper for high altitude operation because of poor T/W ratio.

What Indian made choppers specification? what high tech armed choppers doesn India make?

 

[GiantPanda]

India doesn't even have a homegrown attack helicopter deployed (they have a grand total of 8 LCH including tech demos) and they are trying to compare with the Z-10 which is in service and deployed in the hundreds.

Indians are delusional to the extreme.

 

[beijingwalker]

Urgent deal of 70k AK from Russia..It seems to be their latest achievement.

They will claim that these AKs are the best in the world which are very high tech while Chinese rifles can not even fire.

 

[Surya 1]

What Indian made choppers specification? what high tech armed choppers doesn India make?

So you accept that Z 10 has shitty T/W ratio?

 

[beijingwalker]

So you accept that Z 10 has shitty T/W ratio?

What is shitty and what is not? can you provide your Indian version of it to compare?

 

[Surya 1]

What is shitty and what is not? can you provide your Indian version of it to compare?

I have already provided T/W ratio figure which is more than double the figurd of Z10. First of all accept that than we can move ahead.

 

[beijingwalker]

I have already provided T/W ratio figure which is more than double the figurd of Z10. First of all accept that than we can move ahead.

What is shitty and what is not? can you provide your Indian version of it to compare?

 

[beijingwalker]

Is this chopper Indian made?

Army chopper crash: Pilot’s body recovered, search on for co-pilot
On Saturday, a defence spokesman said that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had brought heavy equipment from Visakhapatnam to Pathankot for speeding up the underwater search operation
By Ravi Krishnan Khajuria
UPDATED ON AUG 16, 2021 08:21 AM IST

The wreckage of Indian Army’s Rudra chopper was located on August 11, nine days after it crashed in the Ranjit Sagar Dam Lake in Jammu’s Kathua district, body of one of the pilots was finally located on August 15. (Photo Courtesy- PTI)
INDIA NEWS
Army chopper crash: Pilot’s body recovered, search on for co-pilot
On Saturday, a defence spokesman said that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had brought heavy equipment from Visakhapatnam to Pathankot for speeding up the underwater search operation
By Ravi Krishnan Khajuria
UPDATED ON AUG 16, 2021 08:21 AM IST
Body of one of the two pilots of army’s Rudra helicopter that crashed into Ranjit Sagar Dam in Jammu on August 3 was recovered on Sunday evening after 12 days of intensive search operations, authorities said.

Army chopper crash: Pilot’s body recovered, search on for co-pilot

On Saturday, a defence spokesman said that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had brought heavy equipment from Visakhapatnam to Pathankot for speeding up the underwater search operation

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[GiantPanda]

Rudra is an armed utility helo. India has not been able to make and deploy an actual attack copter.

Rudra is based on the Indian Dhruv (60% foreign parts) with an extensive record of fatal crashes among its few export customers.

After 4 Crashes, Ecuador Grounds Fleet of Indian Dhruv Choppers, Cancels Contract

In a major setback for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the government of Ecuador which had bought seven Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters from India has grounded all such remaining choppers in service and has unilaterally ended a contract with the state-owned Indian company.

www.ndtv.com

Four out of seven exported to Ecuador crashed. That's a nearly 60% crash rate which must be a record for any exported aircraft!

 

[iLION12345_1]

Yes, bellow 10000 ft for a payload of 500 kg.


The shit called Z10 has more than double the weight of LCH yet weaker engine. It has terribally low T/W ratio. It can not lift more than 500 kg beyond 10000 ft. Where is the comparison? Chines are so brain washed in CPC reducation camp that they believe that law of physics will apply them differently. Their we bulky Chopper can fly at high altitude since it is Chinese.

Lmao. You keep orgasming about T/W ratio as if it’s the only thing important about the helicopter. The LCH only has a Good T/W ratio because it’s light and can’t carry shit. Also the engine in it is foreign, so india doesn’t even get credit for that. Also the Z-10ME has better T/W ratio than LCH and can fly higher, faster, can carry more (can fly at full load in Himalayas and ladakh, LCH hasn’t even displayed the capability to fly at its max claimed altitude without any weapons, it is completely impossible it can carry meaningful weapon load at high altitude). Please, you’re illiterate when it comes to defense tech. LCH isn’t even in service. It cannot compare to Z-10ME. Honestly All you do is come to the forum to be humiliated, you’re a troll. And I will no longer reply to you.

 

[EternalMortal]

Army needs to take a page from the navy's book. Get the big Chinese system in limited numbers & at the same time go for a Turkish system w/ transfer of design knowhow. That way we can finally start designing our own.