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But your master khan loves them deeply :D

You must ask him his obsession with Arabs or you doubt his true national identity? :D

well its his own personal Opinion .. i have been to Arab Country , so i know their love towards us Pakistani's ... they treat us like sh!t in their country , and hence they come to Pakistan to hunt some birds ... and get royal treatment , and yeah when their A$$'s are on fire they remember us

Wrong!!!
You need to see how an average Arab officer speaks to a Pakistani soldier.
You need to see the respect an Arab cadet gives his instructor.

Without an ounce of experience, you draw your conclusions. Sad!!!

i am not talking about Officer or Military , there they have to give respect because they need training , and standard rule in military training , you need to respect the high level officer ... nothing new ..

they treat us like Shit , go to any arab country and see ... some of them dont even like to sit and eat with you ..
 
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On a second thought, pakistan army should have a saudi chief of staff :lol:
 
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well its his own personal Opinion .. i have been to Arab Country , so i know their love towards us Pakistani's ... they treat us like sh!t in their country , and hence they come to Pakistan to hunt some birds ... and get royal treatment , and yeah when their A$$'s are on fire they remember us



i am not talking about Officer or Military , there they have to give respect because they need training , and standard rule in military training , you need to respect the high level officer ... nothing new ..

they treat us like Shit , go to any arab country and see ... some of them dont even like to sit and eat with you ..
You are a true born pakistanis living pakistan. I believe your accessment of saudi on pakistan is real authentic compare who some living abroad with delusion facts of brotherhood. :D
 
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You are a true born pakistanis living pakistan. I believe your accessment of saudi on pakistan is real authentic compare who some living abroad with delusion facts of brotherhood. :D

no brother , i am RAW Agent to some people :D

i have nothing against Arabs if they treat us with respect , our prophet Muhammad Pbuh , in his last sermon said ,that Arab is equal to non Arab , and a black is equal to a white ... only faith and devotion can make one superior to another ..
these arabs , just because they got the Arabic Language , and in the land where our Prophet was born think they are from high heavens , that is no .. i recommend you to go Dubai and see the Arabs , and their young generation polishing the name of Islam in every Aspect ..
to me right now Arabs are worst Muslims right now ...
 
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Hi,

What is an apology amongst brothers----. Do brothers apologize to each other---yes and no.

Another issue over here is that when you are in the habbit of taking all the time---and then you are asked to give---it is very difficult for you to part with your assets. You feel that you are ill equipped and don't have enough assets to part with.

I see your point.....but do these "brothers" should treat a nation they need help and support from, as slaves in their country? I don't know if you've lived in KSA or the UAE. But I have a couple of Pakistani friends who were born and raised in KSA and the UAE and moved to the US when they were like 15-16, both them and their parents, tell you how Pakistanis are looked at in KSA and throughout the Arab world. Is that how "brothers" treat an entire nation? And when their as*s is on fire, they cry looking for the same brother?

I think the dynamics are different. If Pakistan gets into this mess, it has a huge potential of dealing with Iran, just like Iraq when the US was in there. Iran has a HUGE network inside Pakistan of Shiites. The killings between sects and all, are common.

After so much blood and sacrifice, Pakistan has finally been able to get rid of the terrorism (to majority of the degree), a mess that this poor country dealt with for almost 2 decades! Right this second, a serious amount of growth is right there at the door steps of Pakistan, for which, Peace and Stability is the Number 1 thing to maintain. This will turn the entire Pakistan into what it couldn't be in 70 years. Do you think it would be fair to a nation of 200 million people who've never had a real good quality of life, to let it go when the most serious and real chance to grow economically stands RIGHT at your door steps?

As far as Military expansion is concerned, in the next 5 years or so, you wouldn't need Arabs or anyone else to support you, as your economy would be getting to a point where your defense budget would be same as Turkey, about $ 18 billion estimated. So my question is, WHY destroy the ONLY change Pakistan has to change its standing on the world map?
Sending military to protect Saudi borders is fine. Getting into a conflict with Iran, where it can fuel sectarian violence inside Pakistan, which later might turn into a Civil war.....isn't cool as it'll destroy the country, along with destroying so much hard work and billions of investments which came in to grow Pakistan's economy. Even if Pakistan doesn't go to war helping KSA, you are bound to become a bigger military power in all aspects, as your economy grows. There is no stopping that as long as peace and stability can be maintained inside the country!!
 
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Yemen and military intervention by Pakistan:
The middle east is going through trying time at this moment. Like many others, a new issue that has surfaced in the muslim world---an insurgency in Yemen---an overthrow of a legitimate government by armed tribesmen who have weapons supplied by the Iranians and being trained and assisted by them as well.

The nations of Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates have asked for direct assistance of Pakistan's military. Incidently, this request was denied by the Pakistani parliament, which seemed ill-informed about the core matter of the problem, the significance of pakistan military presence in that region and other things related to the issue.

Simply put---the minister of state was ill prepared to describe what was needed from Pakistan---he failed to make the right presentation and Pakistani politicians were running scared to man up and take charge of the issue.

Here is an assessment of the situation.

This opportunity was a golden moment for Pakistan to extend its influence beyond its borders. Pakistan must look forward to deploy at least two corps strengths of troops---infantry and armor---a two to three squadrons of air force and two frigates in the region in due time with funding from the states in need.

Pakistan has a plethora of of senior / mid range officers and NCO's available who have retired after 25 years of service---these are still young men by western standards to serve a few years more.

Pakistan can make a one to two division strength available from existing troops and start recruiting and training the rest on a fast track. A possible cantonment build at Gwadar port that could be the launchpad and training ground for new recruits and officers to be deployed .

Obviously---the countries in need would be taking care of the expenses, for the recruitment, training, man material, weapons and armament, armor, air craft and naval vessels.

The reason this needs to be done is that the power positioning of the muslim world has drastically changed in the last few years.

The muslim power has depleted down to 3 major powers in the region that stand on one side ie Turkey,

Egypt and Pakistan with their benefactors in Qatar, Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Iran on the other side.
Sadly Iraq is gone---so is Syria and so is Libya from the picture. These nations do not present themselves to be nations of any substance at this time. Civil war, insurgency, terrorist occupation has taken hold of these nations and they are facing destruction. Nations like Algeria and Morocco are just standing by with not much to offer..

Taking the example of Yemen, a nation that had an established government that was overthrown by an ethnic group creates a lack of stability for the nation itself and the neighboring countries as well.

The insurgency resulted in the defeat of government troops, they ran away, the rebels came in to replace them but not in all cities---which created a vacuum that got filled in with terrorists organizations like the al- qaeda and isis taking charge on a fast trak.

Once these organizations get into the cities, it gets very easy for them to hide amongst the public and create havoc and force terror in the society. These groups have learned to move at a lightening pace and take charge of their targets while legitimate governments are busy talking about taking legal recourse and action against them through united nations etc.

Pretty much everything is lost by the time an arranged military response is managed.
As the rules of the game have changed, so the number of teams in the playing field have changed as well( govt forces---anti govt forces ---multiple terrorist groups ), it becomes imperative for nations like Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt to play a pro-active role under these circumstances.

The mindset of the military's leadership needs to be ready for action and be prepared for move in and be ready for a pre-emptive strikes on a very short notice.

The explanation of “ there is seemingly no current threat ” should not be taken as an answer for the problem---because this issue is an opportunistic problem---. The insurgents would see a weakness or create a situation to create a conflict, the terrorists would take advantage of two forces fighting each other and move into the void created.

For that very reason, a well equipped force already deployed for the purpose and ready for action at a moments notice is the right and correct approach to meet and stop any un-called for problems head on. A ready and pro-active force in the region would prevent such a thing from happening in the first place.

If Pakistan is able to convince the needy parties to bear the expense for at least 2 corps strength of infantry and armor, air force and navy, it will give Pakistan an extra influence in the region of friendly countries where they are deployed, with the induction of Gwadar port, these troops will be an immense asset. In the time of an emergency in Pakistan---like an aggression from India, we will be able to access 2 / 3rd the numbers of these troops to strengthen our flanks on a moments notice.

Would it not be nice to have 20-30,000 troops available to you in addition to your regular service personal in an emergency.

The good thing about this scenario is that in an emergency---Pakistan would not be deploying troops from its own stock---which will eventually create problems in our own backyard if such was the case as it would deplete the number of our troops in needed places.

We will be creating jobs for our men, increasing the strength of our forces, projecting the position of Pakistan in front of the world in a positive manner, managing and maintaining peace in the region and taking our rightful position as the military leader of the muslim world.

Pakistan must not shirk away from its calling. As a capable military---it is our moral obligation to help our less capable brethren when they call for our assistance and when they are paying for the services rendered, it makes the cause holier.

Iran had been waiting for a long time to stir up trouble in this region. The sickness of Late King Abdullah gave it the opportunity to make the move and the time it took from the sickness, to passing away and then the transition of the new king coming into power was more than enough for Iran to move in.

As is obvious now that Iran supplied the insurgents with weapons, they supplied them with the trainers and possibly operators as well. Saudi Arabia had claimed of Iranian arms being shipped into yemen and it asked for Pakistani navy's assistance as well.

It looks evident from the reaction of Iranian navy ships turning back once confronted by the U S battle group that they must be loaded with weapons for the rebels.

Just yesterday, Iranian navy moved onto the Marshall Island merchant navy ship and confiscated it in en seas. Looking at the actions of the Iranian navy---it seems like that the Pakistani navy would have to step up its presence in the area.

Pakistan navy would also need to acquire more surface fleet, like the chinese 054 class frigate as for now with additional F 22 type frigates as well.

The terrorist interference and insurgency scenario in this region will happen at a lightening fast speed and for that reason it is imperative that Pakistani military takes the initiative of starting to build a corps strength of troops at least for Saudi Arabia and another corps strength for the Emirates so that in times of need it is already in place as a deterrent---.

God bless Pakistan.
Sincerely,
MK
A very good post, but I won't involve Iran in it. Civil war in Yemen is a very old question related more to the cold era than to Iran...
 
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They just can't accept facts of their idealistic brotherhood is shatter and make you a scapegoat. :D

concept of brotherhood died long ago , no wonder why Prophet warn us from the Fitna ..
we have this old habit to point others mistake but forget to fix ours .. :)
if every Muslim fix himself rather than taking arms to fix others , the world would have been a better place to live in ..
exactly in Pakistan .. who ever we dont like , he is RAW or CIA agent ... who ever we like or support is better than the Prophet's ... ask a supporter of Imran Khan and you will know :D
 
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I see your point.....but do these "brothers" should treat a nation they need help and support from, as slaves in their country? I don't know if you've lived in KSA or the UAE. But I have a couple of Pakistani friends who were born and raised in KSA and the UAE and moved to the US when they were like 15-16, both them and their parents, tell you how Pakistanis are looked at in KSA and throughout the Arab world. Is that how "brothers" treat an entire nation? And when their as*s is on fire, they cry looking for the same brother?

I think the dynamics are different. If Pakistan gets into this mess, it has a huge potential of dealing with Iran, just like Iraq when the US was in there. Iran has a HUGE network inside Pakistan of Shiites. The killings between sects and all, are common.

After so much blood and sacrifice, Pakistan has finally been able to get rid of the terrorism (to majority of the degree), a mess that this poor country dealt with for almost 2 decades! Right this second, a serious amount of growth is right there at the door steps of Pakistan, for which, Peace and Stability is the Number 1 thing to maintain. This will turn the entire Pakistan into what it couldn't be in 70 years. Do you think it would be fair to a nation of 200 million people who've never had a real good quality of life, to let it go when the most serious and real chance to grow economically stands RIGHT at your door steps?

As far as Military expansion is concerned, in the next 5 years or so, you wouldn't need Arabs or anyone else to support you, as your economy would be getting to a point where your defense budget would be same as Turkey, about $ 18 billion estimated. So my question is, WHY destroy the ONLY change Pakistan has to change its standing on the world map?
Sending military to protect Saudi borders is fine. Getting into a conflict with Iran, where it can fuel sectarian violence inside Pakistan, which later might turn into a Civil war.....isn't cool as it'll destroy the country, along with destroying so much hard work and billions of investments which came in to grow Pakistan's economy. Even if Pakistan doesn't go to war helping KSA, you are bound to become a bigger military power in all aspects, as your economy grows. There is no stopping that as long as peace and stability can be maintained inside the country!!

The coalition that the Arabs are building have nothing to do with Iran, its priority is to prevent what is going on in Iraq, Syria and lybia from happening again in other parts of the Arab world and maybe in Pakistan, Turkey and (Iran to some point) too, where there are insurgent groups waiting for their moments and orders from outside powers that wish no good for Arabs or Muslims.
 
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I see your point.....but do these "brothers" should treat a nation they need help and support from, as slaves in their country? I don't know if you've lived in KSA or the UAE. But I have a couple of Pakistani friends who were born and raised in KSA and the UAE and moved to the US when they were like 15-16, both them and their parents, tell you how Pakistanis are looked at in KSA and throughout the Arab world. Is that how "brothers" treat an entire nation? And when their as*s is on fire, they cry looking for the same brother?

I think the dynamics are different. If Pakistan gets into this mess, it has a huge potential of dealing with Iran, just like Iraq when the US was in there. Iran has a HUGE network inside Pakistan of Shiites. The killings between sects and all, are common.

After so much blood and sacrifice, Pakistan has finally been able to get rid of the terrorism (to majority of the degree), a mess that this poor country dealt with for almost 2 decades! Right this second, a serious amount of growth is right there at the door steps of Pakistan, for which, Peace and Stability is the Number 1 thing to maintain. This will turn the entire Pakistan into what it couldn't be in 70 years. Do you think it would be fair to a nation of 200 million people who've never had a real good quality of life, to let it go when the most serious and real chance to grow economically stands RIGHT at your door steps?

As far as Military expansion is concerned, in the next 5 years or so, you wouldn't need Arabs or anyone else to support you, as your economy would be getting to a point where your defense budget would be same as Turkey, about $ 18 billion estimated. So my question is, WHY destroy the ONLY change Pakistan has to change its standing on the world map?
Sending military to protect Saudi borders is fine. Getting into a conflict with Iran, where it can fuel sectarian violence inside Pakistan, which later might turn into a Civil war.....isn't cool as it'll destroy the country, along with destroying so much hard work and billions of investments which came in to grow Pakistan's economy. Even if Pakistan doesn't go to war helping KSA, you are bound to become a bigger military power in all aspects, as your economy grows. There is no stopping that as long as peace and stability can be maintained inside the country!!

Hi,

First of all---I have no concept of brotherhood----I don't believe in it---I used the term just for the sake of it.

Now as for Pakistan's economy getting better in 5 years and it not being dependant on the Saudi is not reason enough for me to reject my relationship. Just because I am seeing better times now---must it be the reason to forget those who assisted me in y hour of distress---. There is no way possible for me to face myself in the mirror---and how can I bow down in front of my creator with such feelings in my heart.

Inside Pakistan---what the state needs to do is to fall hard on those creating mischief against the shia brothers and other minorities. Strike hard---strike deep.

Pakistan cannot keep trundling along with armed radicals creating mischief.
 
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@MastanKhan

I want to add to this thread.
Maybe when i go for vacation. :)

Wrong!!!
You need to see how an average Arab officer speaks to a Pakistani soldier.
You need to see the respect an Arab cadet gives his instructor.

Without an ounce of experience, you draw your conclusions. Sad!!!

Why are you wasting time ?
These people will not yield to reason.
 
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Pakistan has always been there...why are people forgetting 2009 when the Houthis took over several border villages in Jazan and Najran and Pakistan Army in conjunction with the Saudi Airforce liberated those captured territories and pushed back the Houthis....

Pakistan has always been there for them but this time around they want to use our soldiers as fcuking cannon fodder. There were no consultations with us when they launched the offensive at first place, their tone is demeaning and threatening...fcuk them if they wanna behave that way.

You want our cooperation and help? Make us a stakeholder/shareholder.

I would also like to point out that the Pakistani behaviour in the past has been quite shameless in regards to constantly asking for charity or help to our politicians running there for asylum with their tails between their legs. Plus the excessive feet kissing and idolizing the Arabs has devalued the people of Pakistan to nothing. All these factors have amounted to how the world views us....third rated people with no self-respect.
 
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Now as for Pakistan's economy getting better in 5 years and it not being dependant on the Saudi is not reason enough for me to reject my relationship. Just because I am seeing better times now---must it be the reason to forget those who assisted me in y hour of distress---.

Inside Pakistan---what the state needs to do is to fall hard on those creating mischief against the shia brothers and other minorities. Strike hard---strike deep.


Pakistan cannot keep trundling along with armed radicals creating mischief.


I didn't say that you should abandon others when you think you have better times coming. I am saying that you have to be wise and smart about the situation. Pakistan is stuck between Iran, India and Afghanistan as a Sandwich. Frankly speaking and having the knowledge, neither of them like Pakistan and would love to see it break. India openly and Afghanistan and Iran silently.

If you jump into this war, there is no doubt that you'll get resistance from Iran indirectly. Something will "happen" like it usually does and before you know it, you'll be facing thousands of Irani backed people with weapons and all on the street. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and now Yemen, ALL have seen this. So must you break your country for others, who didn't care to even go to the UN first to get a resolution passed at least so there is logical coalition??

On the other hand, Pakistani Army may send troops but limit them to border protection and KSA's territorial integrity. Anything beyond that, is dangerous. Specially, when your country is at a brink of changing its own history, which frankly hasn't been that impressive due to bad leaders. Leaders build nations!!

About 5-10 years from now, your country, the nation's mentality would've changed significantly. Good effects that come with economical growth. Shia - Sunni won't have too many issues like it is in the US and other Western societies (obviously over time), the PA, PAF and PN would have increased in size by 10, 20 and 40% respectively At that time, getting involved into something like this may make sense due to your military might. Right now, your military is too busy cleaning up the existing mess of terrorism, can it deal with a civil war like scenario with Shiiti's rising against Sunni's, disrupting all good work and seriously damaging the country, its defense capabilities and all???? There is a time and place for everything. This is hardly a time to get into another conflict that can take 20 more years for a clean up and can damage the ONLY change Pakistan has at this point to grow as a country due to the Chinese assistance!
 
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I didn't say that you should abandon others when you think you have better times coming. I am saying that you have to be wise and smart about the situation. Pakistan is stuck between Iran, India and Afghanistan as a Sandwich. Frankly speaking and having the knowledge, neither of them like Pakistan and would love to see it break. India openly and Afghanistan and Iran silently.

If you jump into this war, there is no doubt that you'll get resistance from Iran indirectly. Something will "happen" like it usually does and before you know it, you'll be facing thousands of Irani backed people with weapons and all on the street. Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and now Yemen, ALL have seen this. So must you break your country for others, who didn't care to even go to the UN first to get a resolution passed at least so there is logical coalition??

On the other hand, Pakistani Army may send troops but limit them to border protection and KSA's territorial integrity. Anything beyond that, is dangerous. Specially, when your country is at a brink of changing its own history, which frankly hasn't been that impressive due to bad leaders. Leaders build nations!!

About 5-10 years from now, your country, the nation's mentality would've changed significantly. Good effects that come with economical growth. Shia - Sunni won't have too many issues like it is in the US and other Western societies (obviously over time), the PA, PAF and PN would have increased in size by 10, 20 and 40% respectively At that time, getting involved into something like this may make sense due to your military might. Right now, your military is too busy cleaning up the existing mess of terrorism, can it deal with a civil war like scenario with Shiiti's rising against Sunni's, disrupting all good work and seriously damaging the country, its defense capabilities and all???? There is a time and place for everything. This is hardly a time to get into another conflict that can take 20 more years for a clean up and can damage the ONLY change Pakistan has at this point to grow as a country due to the Chinese assistance!

Hi,

I understand what you are saying. But the thing is that you cannot be pushed down by what Iran is going to do. Iran has already decided what it is going to do. The plans have already been laid down.

UN is a fraud by now----it is a lame duck---it has no fangs----. And you don't go too the UN when insurgents overthrow a legitimate govt with the support of the Iranians.

Iranians have already started the game---these are the first few moves of what is going to come in the future---. The Saudis know it---the Emirates know about it---. Why do you think that they are reacting o bad to Pakistani refusal.

Has anybody thought about that part---what is making the Saudis and Emirates spokesperson talk in the manner that they are talking in---there must have been something catastrophic coming into the picture that triggered that response.

They have forces enough to take care of the issue----but why are they asking for a lot more----what are they seeing that is making them react in this manner.

I would also like to point out that the Pakistani behaviour in the past has been quite shameless in regards to constantly asking for charity or help to our politicians running there for asylum with their tails between their legs. Plus the excessive feet kissing and idolizing the Arabs has devalued the people of Pakistan to nothing. All these factors have amounted to how the world views us....third rated people with no self-respect.

My boy----

Have you been living in this real word or is it the game player PS 3 or what---. Is the behavior of the beggar on the street shameless when he has no money for food and shelter. Is he being shameless when he is begging for alms to keep himself and his family alive.

Well---if you are so angry---then why don't you go and kill some of the politicians who squandered away that money.
 
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Iranians have already started the game---these are the first few moves of what is going to come in the future---. The Saudis know it---the Emirates know about it---. Why do you think that they are reacting o bad to Pakistani refusal.

Has anybody thought about that part---what is making the Saudis and Emirates spokesperson talk in the manner that they are talking in---there must have been something catastrophic coming into the picture that triggered that response.

They have forces enough to take care of the issue----but why are they asking for a lot more----what are they seeing that is making them react in this manner.

Well Mr. Khan, its always good to read your posts. You seem to be one of the few people on here who have a good clue about what's going on around the South East Asian region.

Taking a look at your bold part, it seems like you have some great knowledge to share with us on this subject. What is it that's making the KSA and the UAE react so bad as you suggest in the above post??

Why are they asking for forces from Pakistan and why the responses coming in the way they do? Enlighten us please....
 
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