Y-20 heavy transport aircraft News & Discussions

[Beast]

1. Not the same. You cannot make anywhere near the same progress by testing than having the engine in service.

2. Why do you think that Russians airlines flopped? Hint the engines were nowhere near as good as western ones.


OK, you are entitled to your view but logically I do not see the sense in it.

Russian commercial industries flopped,due to lot of factors. Despite having a very successful military sector. I will say they are currently even behind China in commercial section. They do have a lot of commercial planes but none meet FAA or non competitive in commercial market. Its not easy to design FAA standard commercial plane while being competitive at the same time. We do have a huge aviation market with many state owned airline to make any product a success if we want to. This is the luxury Russian do not have

This is a very good video explained C919, unfortunately, it is in Chinese only. But its very good info for those who understand Chinese.

 

[lcloo]

From what I gathered,

One WS-20 was first flight tested on an IL-76 from 2014, and completed on 2017. And thereafter the engine was dismantled from the aircraft for analysis.

Then 4 units of WS-20 were fitted to an IL-76 for further testing in unknown timeline.

Test of WS-20 started on Y20 in February 2019, indicating final testing phase of WS-20.

 

[UKBengali]

From what I gathered,

One WS-20 was first flight tested on an IL-76 from 2014, and completed on 2017. And thereafter the engine was dismantled from the aircraft for analysis.
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Then 4 units of WS-20 were fitted to an IL-76 for further testing in unknown timeline.
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Test of WS-20 started on Y20 in February 2019, indicating final testing phase of WS-20.
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Pretty much proves my point that the engine is progressing slow and steady.
I do not expect Y-20s to be flying with WS-20 engines before 2025 now.

The deadline for the CJ-1000A engine on the C919 has been pushed back from the initial 2023 to 2028-2030.

Engines are extremely complex and take a lot of trial and error to get right.

 

[laser911]

From what I gathered,

One WS-20 was first flight tested on an IL-76 from 2014, and completed on 2017. And thereafter the engine was dismantled from the aircraft for analysis.
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Then 4 units of WS-20 were fitted to an IL-76 for further testing in unknown timeline.
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Test of WS-20 started on Y20 in February 2019, indicating final testing phase of WS-20.
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For the last image, all 4 engines look the same to me. Maybe the dark one is WS18.

 

[Deino]

From what I gathered,

One WS-20 was first flight tested on an IL-76 from 2014, and completed on 2017. And thereafter the engine was dismantled from the aircraft for analysis.
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Then 4 units of WS-20 were fitted to an IL-76 for further testing in unknown timeline.
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Test of WS-20 started on Y20 in February 2019, indicating final testing phase of WS-20.
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I'm not sure, since I thought it was a common agreement that so far no IL-76 flew with four WS-20 and that particular image showed it with the engine cowlings open. The same with the light grey Y-20 with the single darker engine.

 

[lcloo]

Y20 tanker

 

[Scorpiooo]

Y20 tanker

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[vi-va]

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Y20 tanker

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I see 2 probe-and-drogue refueling like IL-76 and 1 Flying boom like KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender, KC-46 Pegasus.

Is it possible Y-20 can have both? That's huge bonus.

 

[Beast]

I see 2 probe-and-drogue refueling like IL-76 and 1 Flying boom like KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender, KC-46 Pegasus.

Is it possible Y-20 can have both? That's huge bonus.

Why not? Y-20 is a huge plane but I am not sure if solid boom is added and that mean it cannot fulfil the role of transport plane but pure tanker only.

CJ-130 can act both as tanker and transport with fuel tank inside the cargo bay remove. But It cannot refuel plane using the soft boom method only.

 

[Deino]

I see 2 probe-and-drogue refueling ... and 1 Flying boom ...

Where do you see a "flying boom" ?

 

[Beast]

Where do you see a "flying boom" ?

The white color rod sticking out at the bottom.

 

[Deino]

The white color rod sticking out at the bottom.

I don't think it is a boom, since it would be mounted much too close to the bottom f the aircraft.

 

[Beast]

I don't think it is a boom, since it would be mounted much too close to the bottom f the aircraft.

It maybe a special type of solid boom. You can see it's very obvious sticking out there of the 3 photo.

 

[laser911]

It maybe a special type of solid boom. You can see it's very obvious sticking out there of the 3 photo.

Don't think it will be the solid boom, completely wrong position.

 

[vi-va]

US KC-135 Stratotanker, KC-10 Extender, KC-46 Pegasus are tanker only. Y-20 may be tanker as well as transporter.
In this case, the back door is kept. So Y-20 need another position to mount the flying boom.