Friends, we say it's China's problem or Us problem or Indian problem, we would be telling lies -- it is only Pakistan's problem -- yes, some of our Pakistani friends will object, after all why single them out? Because Pakistan's failure to control it's territory and because Pakistan's promotion of Islamist ideas within it's own society and the Pakistan army's training of proxies.
its a bilateral problem. Nobody who is anybody (army or civlian) in Pakistan told Uighurs to begin a campaign of violence against Han Chinese. That is beyond ridiculous, mate.
it's Pakistan's problem because yes --- they are coming into our country to learn bomb-making and such (if reports are to be believed). So first we need to shut down these shacks and dens where such activity is going on. Nobody ever denied that in Pakistan --or should deny it.
it's China problem for obvious reasons. They have an interest NOT to see internal unrest ---knowing that there are a lot of stakeholders out there who would love to see China face such problems; it is groups like Amnesty International who profit off of human misery!
I appreciate your honesty, but you are putting all the blame on Pakistan and that is not fair.
Some say that Pakistan armed forces leadership were cynical, that they never believed this Islamism thing and only used it - but this is unsatisfying because it's misdirection, it's obfuscation - if during the Afghan war, the Pakistani leadership only used Islamism as a tool, their reliance on this tool became greater during their effort to promote Jihad in Kashmir and with their effort to defeat Najibullah government in Afghanistan - however, at the same time, the Pakistan army was indoctrinated with Islamist ideas and these ideas were propagated through out society.
Pakistan Army recruits and takes men/women from all provinces, from all districts/villages, from all income groups. These people have different ideas, sometimes they may seem alien to one another, but it is the common bond and feelings of divine, sacred duty to the nation (an Islamic Republic) that unites them as a force
At times yes --we used Islam for political purposes. But it was in our existential interests to see to it that the communist regime and their Afghan lackeys who rolled the red-rug for them -- were neutralized. Pakistan's territory was in danger; and the soviets were pro-indian (armed them to the teeth in both wars). So it's really a no-brainer.
the problem is only that these people who fought against USSR were not rehabilitated. They were abandoned. A more ''nationalistic'' rather than ''religious'' approach would make sense --but it's Afghanistan we were dealing with. There is no concept of nationalism there, because Afghans allowed themselves to become so factionalized.
as for Kashmir -- we didnt need to do much. Most of the fighting against the occupation forces in the Disputed territory was a purely Kashmiri phenomenon. Though it is true we offered moral support to the Kashmiri freedom fighters.
So, with weak control over their own territory, the Pakistan army gave sections of Pakistan to islamists to control and administer, they then invited and Pakistan government allowed, Islamist militants from all over the world to make Pakistan the "epicenter, the headquarters of International Islamist terror
when ''reconciliation'' (such as in Swat) failed, the army went in and cleaned up the place....the Army prefers non-confrontation with its own citizens.
but these religious extremists have proved time and time again, you cant negotiate with them. At least not from a perceived position of weakness. And that is why, the fight continues.
And it will take time, Muse.
- see, there is a reason why almost all Islamist terror is linked with Pakistan, that link is that the government and society have long nurtured these Islamist terrorists, the government and society have promoted these ideas ---
just remember that they werent ''terrorists'' decades back...but only when they turned against NATO and turned against Pakistan. We were short-sighted decades ago on WHAT will materialize by allowing these nameless people (many of them stateless too) to remain in our country.
that today the brother ally, China has been made a victim, means very little, after all, if Islamist are willing and ABLE to label other muslims of Pakistan as APOSTATES, then to attack China is nothing for them
Very true point....
but Pakistan wont allow those groups to flourish...and it wouldnt ever be in our interests to allow that
those so-called ''Islamists'' you talk about are just jahhils and nothing else
- Chechans have attacked Russia from Pakistan
Chechna issue is a Russian problem; not our problem....all we need to do is kick out anyone who is in the country illegally.
by the way, Chechens have attacked PAKISTAN too! Time and time again, we have arrested and/or killed Chechen militants in the FATA region.
, the East Turkestan movement has attacked China
they are not ''based'' in Pakistan...and whoever claims that they are, needs to get their heads checked
and Junadallah have attacked brother -
Jundollah is an Iranian organization.....run by Iranians, their fighters are Iranians of Baluch ethnicity. It is a foreign-funded operation, being used to destabilize Iran and create rift between neighbours. To some degree, it's worked.
and of course attacking India is par for the course ---- friends, the root of all this evil, is Islamism.
the root of all evil is poverty and illiteracy
The month of Ramazan is starting and some say that we are attacking Islam, these people do not know the difference between Islam and islam-ism and we can only feel sorry for them because so great is the difference between Islam and Islam-ism that entire universe can be accomodated in this difference, but these blind cannot see -- so great is their indoctrination - How can something whose very root is "peace" be the same as "terror"??
politics and religion; and political-religion is always dangerous....whether its ''Islamism'' or zionism, or hindutva....makes no difference.
In Pakistan, the apologists of Islamism say that it is a ideology that binds, that unites Pakistanis - but everyday these Islamists kill Muslims because they do not approve of their sects, they do not approve that they are government employees, they do not like that they don't speak arabic, that they do not do what the Islamists want them to do --- If this is unity, I say lets have none of it.
the worst part about such people is that they blame and point fingers everywhere else; they do their ''rallies''......... but they fail to openly condemn the terrorism that has been waged (whether against the state, whether sectarian in nature, etc.) --which has killed SCORES of Pakistani people, damaged property, and made Pakistan look bad.
so on the larger scheme of things, i agree with many points you make.
