Xi pledges Chinese support for Russia as tensions mount over Ukraine

[Beidou2020]

Once China clearly becomes the technological and financial leader, you will see a lot of these alliances start wavering. The weaker nations always hedge their bets. Their loyalty is primarily opportunistic and they are always checking to see where the wind is blowing.

I agree. Weakening them and making them dependent on China is highly desirable. Not only their elites but their people are full of sinophobes. Weakening that alliance is very good news for the world.

 

[tower9]

I agree. Weakening them and making them dependent on China is highly desirable. Not only their elites but their people are full of sinophobes. Weakening that alliance is very good news for the world.

Their people are full of sinophobes because they are fed their daily dose of Zog propaganda.

 

[Stranagor]

Why shouldn't independent EU go after Russia ? They have nukes, 4x population and 10x economy

Russia and China are not against competition. They object to interventionism. If the EU is freed from Atlanticist regime, it would not be able to intervene so liberally. It would not want to. After all, within the EU, many members are of more economic-pragmatic minded. Also, EU region in general does not need wars for economic growth, unlike the US.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

So the EU becoming weaker, more irrelevant, more trans positive, ungendered, pro-Greta anti-Viking is only good for China.

I agree. EU should focus on the good life. environmentalism, blonde models, LGBT, pop music, luxury purses, tourism and the like.

Leave the dirty nasty business of tech and industry to poor Chinese.

 

[Zsari]

I agree that an independent EU would be tantamount to a more balanced international system, which would not go against the interests of Russia or China. Although it is rather unconceivable to think of the EU freed from the US securitized regime.

The growing US nationalism, unilateralism, and exceptionalism will do just that. There is a reason why Biden's approval rating is plummeting.

 

[Beidou2020]

The growing US nationalism, unilateralism, and exceptionalism will do just that. There is a reason why Biden's approval rating is plummeting.

In this jungle world we live in, it is kill or be killed. Being nice guys to countries that wish to destroy you and subjugate your people to slavery has no advantage.

EU is an enemy of the global south. Don’t mistake lack of capabilities with a lack of intent. Europe wants to see the global south become colonies. Their intent don’t match their capabilities.

EU has the same mindset that of the US.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In this jungle world we live in, it is kill or be killed. Being nice guys to countries that wish to destroy you and subjugate your people to slavery has no advantage.

EU is an enemy of the global south. Don’t mistake lack of capabilities with a lack on intent. Europe wants to see the global south become colonies. Their intent don’t match their capabilities.

EU has the same mindset that of the US.

China's only faithful partners are Russia, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea.

We just need to get the developing countries of Asia/Africa/Latin America to our side.

 

[vi-va]

The Russians have been on bad terms with Europe since the Russian revolution of 1917. The "evil red Communist" stuff happened way before WW2.

The crazy evil Ivan in 1919.

nice pic though, where did you find it?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/1919_Political_Cartoon_%2814759129762%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

 

[Han Patriot]

Over time EU can switch to other sources - nukes, renewables, other suppliers
tell us who will buy Russian natural gas - Pakistan

If only it was that easy. Then China wouldn't need to import gas right!

 

[Nan Yang]

The EU is NOT a nation, it is a community of nations. The EU will never function as one nation despite the desperate wishes of its elite. If it somehow forms some loose federation, they'd act and behave like a sick Austro Hungarian empire, a joke of an empire.

Exactly. EU is irrelevant. That is why China rather deal with each individual EU member country.

 

[tower9]

In this jungle world we live in, it is kill or be killed. Being nice guys to countries that wish to destroy you and subjugate your people to slavery has no advantage.

EU is an enemy of the global south. Don’t mistake lack of capabilities with a lack of intent. Europe wants to see the global south become colonies. Their intent don’t match their capabilities.

EU has the same mindset that of the US.

They are not only imperialistic but the Western European nations invented modern colonialism with the UK and France still suffering from post colonial hangovers thinking they are entitled to still act like masters to their old colonies.

 

[nahtanbob]

If only it was that easy. Then China wouldn't need to import gas right!

i never said it was easy. but then who does Russia sell natural gas to ?

The EU is NOT a nation, it is a community of nations. The EU will never function as one nation despite the desperate wishes of its elite. If it somehow forms some loose federation, they'd act and behave like a sick Austro Hungarian empire, a joke of an empire.

Why shouldn't independent EU go after Russia ? They have nukes, 4x population and 10x economy . You ignore the differential in population and economy

It is amazing they have picked off East European states one by one. Now they are picking off ex-Soviet republics one by one. No wonder Putin is scared.

 

[Han Patriot]

i never said it was easy. but then who does Russia sell natural gas to ?


Why shouldn't independent EU go after Russia ? They have nukes, 4x population and 10x economy . You ignore the differential in population and economy

It is amazing they have picked off East European states one by one. Now they are picking off ex-Soviet republics one by one. No wonder Putin is scared.

Who does Russia sell gas too? Dude do you even understand how big the gas market is? If its not easy, you think the Brits can or will do it? Look at covid, they can't even handle that, and you expect energy transition? Wake up

 

[Titanium100]

China won't come to Russia's aid at the point of flashpoint and that is for many reasons which I will explain.

China has 2 front war and it will avoid openning both fronts at the same time and if East Europe flashpoint goes in flares it gives China opportunity to first solve one of the fronts. You may ask what two fronts China has? China's most lethal front is in it's eastern front which many don't talk about it. The US has 2 mechanized divisions on the DMZ and 5 mechanized divisions in Japan. That is 75.000 forces deployed there permanently and on the other side China has a front with India and as you can see China is first trying to solve this front before solving the other front because this is the easier front of the two fronts if Ukraine flashpoints opens China knows the Indian front becomes a viable option to solve in order to free itself up.

But if China was to rush to East Europe it will be flanked from the behind. It has nothing to worry about with India because Pakistan has them in check they won't flank but these 75.000 in the east will flank them from the behind if it were to rush to assist Russia in Ukraine or in East Europe hence it's hands are tied but China is unbothered by that because this opens up the opportunity to solve the gangu issue unaltered and it also has major allies in the region to do it with hence the operation would be much easier as it's Pak-Afg-and Korean allies could deploy an additional 3-4m men for the campaign without including the chinese deployments. Hence if Russia were to fall on the west Then India will in return fall on the east. The US won't mind it tho to exchange Russia for India and will let it occur as it will guraantee China won't get involved but post that it will free up China

 

[the_messenger]

China won't come to Russia's aid at the point of flashpoint and that is for many reasons which I will explain.

China has 2 front war and it will avoid openning both fronts at the same time and if East Europe flashpoint goes in flares it gives China opportunity to first solve one of the fronts. You may ask what two fronts China has? China's most lethal front is in it's eastern front which many don't talk about it. The US has 2 mechanized divisions on the DMZ and 5 mechanized divisions in Japan. That is 75.000 forces deployed there permanently and on the other side China has a front with India and as you can see China is first trying to solve this front before solving the other front because this is the easier front of the two fronts if Ukraine flashpoints opens China knows the Indian front becomes a viable option to solve in order to free itself up.

But if China was to rush to East Europe it will be flanked from the behind. It has nothing to worry about with India because Pakistan has them in check they won't flank but these 75.000 in the east will flank them from the behind if it were to rush to assist Russia in Ukraine or in East Europe hence it's hands are tied but China is unbothered by that because this opens up the opportunity to solve the gangu issue unaltered and it also has major allies in the region to do it with hence the operation would be much easier as it's Pak-Afg-central asia and Korean allies could deploy an additional 3-4m men for the campaign without including the chinese deployments. Hence if Russia were to fall on the west Then India will in return fall on the east. The US won't mind it tho to exchange Russia for India and will let it occur as it will guraantee China won't get involved but post that it will free up China

The only possible theological "flank" that can threaten China is from the North, Russia herself.
As you said, Pakistan keeps India in check. But it's not necessary, the Hymalaya already deny all possible attack from India
In the South, there is impenetrable jungle and mountains. Furthermore Myanmar ? no China have a few buffer zones there, Laos ? no way, VietNam ? no, we do not do that
In the East ? that's the sea and ocean. It's good for China if her enemies decide to try to land the force there.
Force projection over the sea is even more dangerous then the mountain, If the US - Japan - Korean , heck even the UN want to try to land their forces in China using the sea, my bet is on China. The battle will be bloody and very quick.

When you look at the North: well, it's North China plain, then Beijing, then Central China plain all the way to ShangHai and HongKong. That's the reason why Japan invasion of China started in the north