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With India Mulling To Scrap The Indus Water Treaty, Here Are The Concerns It Should First Address

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He never said that. You are a liar like always. Shame on you. :lol:

As I said you can go through his interview in today's newspaper. I never knew that agreements can go void in an event of a war.
 
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Just a last resort to pump some air in the heavily deflated 56". A direct war would have been less of a response, but since they failed in that they're ready to make the bigger step...
 
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As I said you can go through his interview in today's newspaper. I never knew that agreements can go void in an event of a war.

Paste the interview here kid.

You have made this your habit of humiliating yourself with lies an dumb baseless posts.

Just a last resort to pump some air in the heavily deflated 56". A direct war would have been less of a response, but since they failed in that they're ready to make the bigger step...

Exactly.

It is just another new drama. Which would fail just like previous dramas
 
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@Areesh

Here is his full interview

http://www.dawn.com/news/1286307/interview-indus-treaty-cant-be-revoked-unilaterally

Paste the interview here kid.

You have made this your habit of humiliating yourself with lies an dumb baseless posts.

This is that part of interview where he talks of that

The treaty survived the two wars as well as other Pakistan-India conflicts because none of them were termed a war under international law. They were armed conflicts short of the legal status of “war”.

In the event of a war, states are entitled to suspend treaties, including diplomatic relations. In fact, if India considers revoking the treaty, it is itself signalling the same to be an act of war or a hostile act against Pakistan. This will equip Pakistan with the right under international law to take up any other coercive or non-coercive measure as an act of reprisal.
 
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@Areesh

Here is his full interview

http://www.dawn.com/news/1286307/interview-indus-treaty-cant-be-revoked-unilaterally



This is that part of interview where he talks of that

The treaty survived the two wars as well as other Pakistan-India conflicts because none of them were termed a war under international law. They were armed conflicts short of the legal status of “war”.

In the event of a war, states are entitled to suspend treaties, including diplomatic relations. In fact, if India considers revoking the treaty, it is itself signalling the same to be an act of war or a hostile act against Pakistan. This will equip Pakistan with the right under international law to take up any other coercive or non-coercive measure as an act of reprisal.

Good. He is talking about a general law between states. Now read this:

It is of an indefinite duration and was never intended to be time-specific or event-specific.

Got it??? IWT is clearly not event specific.

And he is a law expert and a former law minister and not our current law minister as you claimed earlier.

First improve your comprehension capability instead of pulling out things from your a$$.
 
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Good. He is talking about a general law between states. Now read this:



Got it??? IWT is clearly not event specific.

And he is a law expert and a former law minister and not our current law minister as you claimed earlier.

First improve your comprehension capability instead of pulling out things from your a$$.

As I said I am no legal expert. I am just saying what he said. Even I didn't know this before this interview. AlI I can say is wars are not some events. I guess what he mean by events are Uri, Pathankot etc...
 
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Paste the interview here kid.

You have made this your habit of humiliating yourself with lies an dumb baseless posts.



Exactly.

It is just another new drama. Which would fail just like previous dramas
He has become a victim of his own reputation. The public is waiting for him to punish Pakistan, Pakistan is waiting to respond. And Modi knowing how handicapped India is towards Pakistan, is looking for issues which he can drag on long enough to kill the public pressure.
 
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Scrapping of IWT does not mean the river Indus, Jhelum and Chenab will stop flowing into Pakistan automatically or India will build a wall and stop the flow. Like this article many in India and Pakistan are thinking that way and have started accusing India of being the devil who is planning to kill 200 million Pakistanis by denying them water. These are absurd logics being put forward against the scrapping of IWT. What was happening when the IWT was not signed? What was the status before 1960? Were Pakistanis dyeing of thirst?

IWT has immensely benefitted Indian Punjab as India is able to use the waters of Beas, Ravi and Sutlej to maximum. Bhakhra Nangal Dam ensured that Sutlej is nothing more than a nulla when it enters Pakistan. Harike Barrage and Indira Gandhi Canal completely dried up the river in Pakistan and created a green land in the Thar desert in Rajasthan. Anyone can see the green line in the desert on google map or wikimapia. This would not have been possible if the IWT was not signed. India can further use more sutlej water if it released water in Sutlej Yamuna Link Canal but internal politics has ensured that Haryana remains a dryland. If IWT is scrapped and renegotiated with Pakistan perhaps we may not get as much water and Indira Gandhi canal may dry up.
India has not been able to fully utilize the 3 eastern rivers by making a massive canal irrigation system to cover the entire Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan. If we go for further negotiations on this, Pakistan will stand to gain. However, this time negotiations wont be so easy and India can exercise the rights and advantages of being an upper riparian state.

However, by scrapping and renegotiating the IWT, the biggest gainer will be the state of J&K who have already passed resolution in the assembly to scrap the IWT. Indus, Jhelum and Chenab do not have much agricultural plain areas for irrigation. It will only help the state build more hydro power plants and store some water. This wont affect much the flow of water or perhaps 5 to 10% max. What Pakistan will lose is their "nuissance value" in delaying the Indian hydel projects.

India can always demand for renegotiation of the treaty without scrapping it as the goodwill that held the treaty is no longer there and Chinese making dams on Indus and Sutlej are affecting the river system and thereby IWT. This will put tremendous pressure on Pakistan. Another important feature of renegotiating the treaty will be involving China as this will be a tripartite treaty. As such Indus and Sutlej waters are not much of use for China but they are still making dams for strategic purposes. India can pass on the stress of holding water by china to Pakistan. The biggest lesson for Pakistan will be to not lose the goodwill or they will have to bear the stress. Renegotiating a treaty is always a possibility.
 
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As I said I am no legal expert. I am just saying what he said. Even I didn't know this before this interview. AlI I can say is wars are not some events. I guess what he mean by events are Uri, Pathankot etc...

By events mean things like wars etc. He was talking about general law that usually exists between states.

He has become a victim of his own reputation. The public is waiting for him to punish Pakistan, Pakistan is waiting to respond. And Modi knowing how handicapped India is towards Pakistan, is looking for issues which he can drag on long enough to kill the public pressure.

Exactly.

He came into power bashing MMS saying he is a weak PM who is too soft on Pakistan. Now with such everyday new drams he is buying time so that the pressure from the public declines.
 
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Pakistan going to world bank will not work. What India is going is within the IWT framework.

Moreover, in an event of war, all legal binding agreements between the countries become void and null.
so you think we are gonna fight with with each other in near future ?
 
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Scrapping of IWT does not mean the river Indus, Jhelum and Chenab will stop flowing into Pakistan automatically or India will build a wall and stop the flow. Like this article many in India and Pakistan are thinking that way and have started accusing India of being the devil who is planning to kill 200 million Pakistanis by denying them water. These are absurd logics being put forward against the scrapping of IWT. What was happening when the IWT was not signed? What was the status before 1960? Were Pakistanis dyeing of thirst?

IWT has immensely benefitted Indian Punjab as India is able to use the waters of Beas, Ravi and Sutlej to maximum. Bhakhra Nangal Dam ensured that Sutlej is nothing more than a nulla when it enters Pakistan. Harike Barrage and Indira Gandhi Canal completely dried up the river in Pakistan and created a green land in the Thar desert in Rajasthan. Anyone can see the green line in the desert on google map or wikimapia. This would not have been possible if the IWT was not signed. India can further use more sutlej water if it released water in Sutlej Yamuna Link Canal but internal politics has ensured that Haryana remains a dryland. If IWT is scrapped and renegotiated with Pakistan perhaps we may not get as much water and Indira Gandhi canal may dry up.
India has not been able to fully utilize the 3 eastern rivers by making a massive canal irrigation system to cover the entire Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan. If we go for further negotiations on this, Pakistan will stand to gain. However, this time negotiations wont be so easy and India can exercise the rights and advantages of being an upper riparian state.

However, by scrapping and renegotiating the IWT, the biggest gainer will be the state of J&K who have already passed resolution in the assembly to scrap the IWT. Indus, Jhelum and Chenab do not have much agricultural plain areas for irrigation. It will only help the state build more hydro power plants and store some water. This wont affect much the flow of water or perhaps 5 to 10% max. What Pakistan will lose is their "nuissance value" in delaying the Indian hydel projects.

India can always demand for renegotiation of the treaty without scrapping it as the goodwill that held the treaty is no longer there and Chinese making dams on Indus and Sutlej are affecting the river system and thereby IWT. This will put tremendous pressure on Pakistan. Another important feature of renegotiating the treaty will be involving China as this will be a tripartite treaty. As such Indus and Sutlej waters are not much of use for China but they are still making dams for strategic purposes. India can pass on the stress of holding water by china to Pakistan. The biggest lesson for Pakistan will be to not lose the goodwill or they will have to bear the stress. Renegotiating a treaty is always a possibility.

I guess there is very little possibility of renegotiation of IWT, as Pakistan will never agree for that.

What I can see is India will now claim 20% of western rivers by building dams and reservoirs in Kashmir, and will full divert all the three eastern rivers for its benefit.

so you think we are gonna fight with with each other in near future ?

No, and hope we will not fight.
 
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India should be more worried about the world bank throwing its weight in than China on this one. Its considered as a gross human rights violation on a grand scale. Doing so gives us the excuse to test out our missiles on the dams on a massive scale while the world will sit back and do nothing since the legal right to water is on our side. India knows this that we'll unleash hell.

Why must every bloody thing revolve around firing bullets or missiles?
 
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if india break a water treaty china will have a strong case to stop india water. and for your information they had already conveyed it to your government and assured pakistan that why government of pakistan ministers talk about it in national assembly. more ever world bank had given full assurance to enforce the treaty.
if it was not the case then modi would have already done it. after all he is a reknown terrorist like abu bakr al baghdadi.

Do understand the difference between suspension of talks on the treaty and scrapping of the treaty. They are two different things.
 
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Did someone ask them whether they'd like fries with that? :coffee:
 
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I guess there is very little possibility of renegotiation of IWT, as Pakistan will never agree for that.

What I can see is India will now claim 20% of western rivers by building dams and reservoirs in Kashmir, and will full divert all the three eastern rivers for its benefit.



No, and hope we will not fight.
we need to fed poor we need to educate our youth. i am currently living in UAE but never saw Indian abusing Pakistani or Pakistani bashing indian infact we plays matches in Al ain car parking but don't know neighbor ban ke he kyun jani dushman ban jate hein ? any Idea mate ?
 
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